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😎 Help please…what is the Eden development going on in Blackrock and what was that stunning looking building before being redeveloped?
kite,
eden is just a pretentiously named collection of semi-d’s and duplexs on the grounds of the Ursuline ConventI saw the tower crane in Hollyhill last night – it certainly is an unusual sight. The driver must have an amazing view of the city!
Also the sod turning ceremony took place this week on the large affordable housing development in Shanakiel. Anyone know what the timeframe is for the private development by Coleman Brothers which is to be located adjacent to this?@d_d_dallas wrote:
kite,
eden is just a pretentiously named collection of semi-d’s and duplexs on the grounds of the Ursuline ConventThanks d-d-dallas, if they are building on the grounds what is to become of the main building?
Was the building always a Convent?, it has the look of a former stately home.@kite wrote:
😎 Help please…what is the Eden development going on in Blackrock and what was that stunning looking building before being redeveloped?
Here ya go. http://www.edenblackrock.ie/
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Thanks d-d-dallas, if they are building on the grounds what is to become of the main building?
Was the building always a Convent?, it has the look of a former stately home.It may have been bequeathed to them years ago and converted into a convent.
As far as I know the old Ursiline Convent Building has permission for conversion to apartments.
There is also a beautiful chapel which is going to be used by the Russian Orthodox Church to cater for
their growing population of Eastern europeans in Cork.@corkdood wrote:
Any news on the Water Street appeal?
Consequent of the request for Further Information by ABP, a decision isn’t expected now until some time around the 11th April 2006.
@lexington wrote:
Consequent of the request for Further Information by ABP, a decision isn’t expected now until some time around the 11th April 2006.
Delayed again? How many years is this thing in planning now? For their troubles alone at this stage I think they should be given planning!!! :p
Even though I’m living in the Ballincollig area it was only today that I passed in the Carrigrohane Road for the first time in ages (usually take the link roads). As a result of this journey I found meself nearly crashing into the Statoil on said road when I first caught sight of the extension to the Kingsley Hotel. Jaysus did they knock that one out while the planners weren’t looking or wha?
Western elevation looks lilke several, poorly designed, blocks of flats, with zero character and little sympathy/understanding of the fact that this is the first building on that side of the road marking an arrival into Cork (boundaries not withstanding). With the Lee Fields just before it, it’s likely to remain that way, so surely there was an opportunity to make a ‘statement’. Likewise with the northern elevation – larger windows but again feckin boxy. At least it beats the southern elevation which has nothing at all!!
Between this and the wonderful Victoria Cross mess, this whole area is starting to look like the land that design forgot, and it’s little reason that the locals are up in arms about further developments if this is what is being touted as contemporary architecture. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all against the anti-high-rise shower, but developers are doing themselves few favours by releasing this type of awfulness on the area.
Disgusted? – I should feckin’ coco 😡
ps – gone a little quiet in here again, hasn’t it?
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Even though I’m living in the Ballincollig area it was only today that I passed in the Carrigrohane Road for the first time in ages (usually take the link roads). As a result of this journey I found meself nearly crashing into the Statoil on said road when I first caught sight of the extension to the Kingsley Hotel. Jaysus did they knock that one out while the planners weren’t looking or wha?
Western elevation looks lilke several, poorly designed, blocks of flats, with zero character and little sympathy/understanding of the fact that this is the first building on that side of the road marking an arrival into Cork (boundaries not withstanding). With the Lee Fields just before it, it’s likely to remain that way, so surely there was an opportunity to make a ‘statement’. Likewise with the northern elevation – larger windows but again feckin boxy. At least it beats the southern elevation which has nothing at all!!
Between this and the wonderful Victoria Cross mess, this whole area is starting to look like the land that design forgot, and it’s little reason that the locals are up in arms about further developments if this is what is being touted as contemporary architecture. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all against the anti-high-rise shower, but developers are doing themselves few favours by releasing this type of awfulness on the area.
Disgusted? – I should feckin’ coco 😡
ps – gone a little quiet in here again, hasn’t it?
thats funny because i was actually coming on here today to say the same thing. the anti-highrise thing is a load of nonsense but perhaps if design teams started put some imagination into their work there would one less bullet in the arsenal. i was coming home this evening and was filling my car up when i looked back and saw the kingsley. i was a little startled thinking it came from mola. the county hall extension is actually quite nice and perhaps understated given its subordination to the tower but the derek tynan muck at victoria cross and the bertie pope scandal have seemed to abandoned taste. the apartment hotel building at the kingsley is a bland faceless contraption which rudely abrupts the visual transition from the lee fields to urban patterns. its this kind of laziness that puts the well thought out efforts by rainey & associates and omahony pike at victoria and dennehys cross at risk and adds to the troubles unfairly to these potential recourses. very diappointed.
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thats funny because i was actually coming on here today to say the same thing. the anti-highrise thing is a load of nonsense but perhaps if design teams started put some imagination into their work there would one less bullet in the arsenal. i was coming home this evening and was filling my car up when i looked back and saw the kingsley. i was a little startled thinking it came from mola. the county hall extension is actually quite nice and perhaps understated given its subordination to the tower but the derek tynan muck at victoria cross and the bertie pope scandal have seemed to abandoned taste. the apartment hotel building at the kingsley is a bland faceless contraption which rudely abrupts the visual transition from the lee fields to urban patterns. its this kind of laziness that puts the well thought out efforts by rainey & associates and omahony pike at victoria and dennehys cross at risk and adds to the troubles unfairly to these potential recourses. very diappointed.
What “well thought out efforts by rainey & associates”, surely not that thing they tried on in the Sunbeam. I’m not one for slagging off designs (although I just did) but its a bit OTT to criticise the Kinglsey with lines like “abrupts the visual transition from the lee fields to urban patterns” given what was there before. While we all know it has a history, Lee Baths, Car Museum etc, the real eysore on the “Straight Road” is the view of the arse of the Environmental Centre on the Lee Road, which as I understand it is on the way to being another white elephant given that UCC have over specced what they want in the building…….
@yorktown wrote:
What “well thought out efforts by rainey & associates”, surely not that thing they tried on in the Sunbeam. I’m not one for slagging off designs (although I just did) but its a bit OTT to criticise the Kinglsey with lines like “abrupts the visual transition from the lee fields to urban patterns” given what was there before. While we all know it has a history, Lee Baths, Car Museum etc, the real eysore on the “Straight Road” is the view of the arse of the Environmental Centre on the Lee Road, which as I understand it is on the way to being another white elephant given that UCC have over specced what they want in the building…….
i was referring particularly to the victoria cross effot which i think is rather subtle and has a pleasant soft material usage. agreed the sunbeam affair is a messy mish mash. as some other posters here have said before the location of the tower boggles the mind. do you think the kingsely apartment hotel is a good design? i also agree the bucholz mcevoy scheme is utterly dire. i would have expected more from them.
The title says it all really… O’Flynn Construction’s plans to develop 629 new homes on lands constituent of their 124-acre purchase at Dunkathel House has been refused following appeal to ABP. The E200m scheme had been granted by Cork County Council for a reduced dwelling number totalling 527, however this was appealed on both a first and third party basis (the latter being by a local residents, Glounthan Residents Association). The proposal was to see approx. 24-acres of the lands around the historic house retained for recreational value with the remainder of the site dedicated to a residential scheme which would have included retail, community, equestrian and sporting provisions. As part of the appeal, an Oral Hearing procedure was conducted by the ABP Inspectorate. Permission was refused on grounds which included certain design and amenity issues, however, a prominent feature of the scheme’s refusal is accounted for by matters of “insufficient” associated infastructure. The Dunkettle area on the east side of Cork city is a well-known traffic black-spot – recent infrastructural updates, such as that at the Dunkettle Interchange (near the Jack Lynch Tunnel) would thus far seemed to have had little impact on relieving the areas traffic rows. Michael O’Flynn, MD of O’Flynn Construction has indicated that his company will likely seek a reapplication for the scheme once design issues have been amended. Talks will likely commence with Cork County Council about resolving infastructural difficulties associated with the planning in light of issues detailed by the appeal report.
@lexington wrote:
The title says it all really… O’Flynn Construction’s plans to develop 629 new homes on lands constituent of their purchase of Dunkathel House has been refused following appeal to ABP. The scheme had been granted by Cork County Council for a reduced dwelling number totalling 527, however this was appealed on both a first and third party basis (the latter being by a local residents). The proposal was to see approx. 24-acres of the lands around the historic house retained for recreational value with the remainder of the site dedicated to a residential scheme which would have included retail, community, equestrian and sporting provisions. As part of the appeal, an Oral Hearing procedure was conducted by the ABP Inspectorate. More details on this and further updates later.
629 homes would have led to an intolerable level of traffic congestion on the already creaking roads infrastructure in Glanmire. Happily ABP has recognised this.
The Glounthane Residents had some particularly heavy hitting members on their committee as well, which would have helped their case no end.
Unfortunately, the hump backed bridge by the AIB in Glanmire Village just cannot cope with any more traffic. Put in the infrastructure first, and then come back with the grandiose plans.
As for Green Spaces, Glanmire is already more then adequately served in this area with further recreational grounds in the planning at Brook Lodge in addition to the existing Park and Riverside Walk. This proposed development would have ensured that the ribbon development between Glounthane and Carrigtwohill would have been connected to Glanmire and would have caused serious traffic problems.
The recent announcement by Cork County Council that they intend putting Traffic Lights at the junction between Hazelwood and the old Dublin Road (the main road through Glanmire) and also at the Church Hill Junction, (by the Church in Glanmire) will hopefully result in a reduction of traffic off the N8 using Glanmire as a rat run to get to the City Centre at peak periods rather then using the bypass and Tivoli dual carriageway. This rejected development would have contibuted further to the areas traffic problems. The roads are full in that area now, and no new development should be allowed until such time as a proper infrastructure is put in place.
wow! cant believe they refused. Must only allow a developer one project at a time. The traffic in fairness would have been a bit much in the mornings. Even next to a major road.
This is from the Irish Times, and outlines some of the reasons that the residents had for objecting.
€200m Cork scheme appealed
Edel MorganA plan by the Cork-based O’Flynn Construction company to build a €200 million residential and leisure complex at the historic Dunkathel House at Glanmire in Co Cork has proven controversial with some people in the local area.
The development is currently the subject of an appeal to An Bord Pleanála.
Three parties – Glounthaune Community Association, Mitchel Barry, and Barry and Joan Murphy – have opposed the planning permission granted by Cork County Council for the venture.
O’Flynn Construction, which purchased the 146-acre demesne two years ago for some €24 million, is proposing a 600-unit residential project which also incorporates a high-tech equestrian centre, a horticultural centre, an outdoor exhibition area and car-parking zones.
The residential element would comprise a mix of two and three-storey terraced housing, as well as semi-detached and detached housing.
The proposal is also to restore and conserve Dunkathel House, which was built around 1790, and convert it into a visitor centre, and to establish a riding school, a garden centre, shops and a crèche on the grounds of the estate.
However, Glounthorne Community Association says it has concerns that infrastructure in the area – including the Jack Lynch Tunnel – is insufficient to cope with increased traffic from the development and says it is not confident that the long term future of Dunkathel House is safeguarded.
It says that the local community has been left out of consultations over the development.
“Fifteen conditions of planning permission have been left by Cork County Council to be subsequently agreed with the developer, which has excluded the community,” says the chairman of the association Philip Mullally.
He says that the density of the development shows little respect for the house and its setting.
Mr Mullally also said that he doesn’t believe the proposal to turn the house into a visitor centreis viable.
“Glanmire is a small village with little or no amenities. The bypass freed it of heavy traffic but this development will choke it up again.”
Dunkathel House was previously owned by the Russell family who disposed of the property after failing to secure sufficient support to develop it as a luxury hotel and leisure complex.
A late 18th century neo-classical mansion, it was built on high ground overlooking the Lee estuary by a wealthy Cork merchant, Abraham Morris.
It has a two-storey, nine-bay centre block joined by screen walls with wings extending back to form a courtyard.
The architect is thought to have been Hargreave, a pupil of the Sardinian architect Davis Ducart who was responsible for Lota House and Kilshannig.
It has a finely proportioned interior with Adam chimneypieces and a particularly elegant staircase of Bath stone.
It also contains a unique collection of Victorian watercolours by Beatrice Gubbins, a former owner and resident of the house which is on public display on the first floor.
Can I ask if anyone went to any of those recent talks on the new commuter Cork-Midleton railway line? Would appreciate any info. if possible. Thanks.
Also, Air Wales will cease all operations from April 23rd. This includes the airlines three routes from Cork – Cardiff, Newquay and Exeter. The company is holding discussions with other carriers over handing on its routes to them. Aer Arann has already been named to take over the former Cardiff route and it is expected that another airline will step in to fill the Exeter route, most likely to be sister airline bmiBaby.Aer Arann will be taking up the Cardiff and Newquay services.
http://www.aerarann.ie/about_us/news.htm@theblimp wrote:
Even though I’m living in the Ballincollig area it was only today that I passed in the Carrigrohane Road for the first time in ages (usually take the link roads). As a result of this journey I found meself nearly crashing into the Statoil on said road when I first caught sight of the extension to the Kingsley Hotel. Jaysus did they knock that one out while the planners weren’t looking or wha?
Western elevation looks lilke several, poorly designed, blocks of flats, with zero character and little sympathy/understanding of the fact that this is the first building on that side of the road marking an arrival into Cork (boundaries not withstanding). With the Lee Fields just before it, it’s likely to remain that way, so surely there was an opportunity to make a ‘statement’. Likewise with the northern elevation – larger windows but again feckin boxy. At least it beats the southern elevation which has nothing at all!!
Between this and the wonderful Victoria Cross mess, this whole area is starting to look like the land that design forgot, and it’s little reason that the locals are up in arms about further developments if this is what is being touted as contemporary architecture. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all against the anti-high-rise shower, but developers are doing themselves few favours by releasing this type of awfulness on the area.
Disgusted? – I should feckin’ coco 😡
ps – gone a little quiet in here again, hasn’t it?
😮 That Kingsley extention is a joke like a disease carried on from the most revolting building in Cork (Victoria Mills), when the Kingsley look for the 5 star rating they want i hope they are told where to jump.
Any wonder worthwhile projects like Dennehys is dragged down when junk like that is allowed
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