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@kesey wrote:
kite, as Franailla are being taken to An Bord Pleanala they are shanghied for the duration anyway. They have little to lose, and a lot to gain, by attempting to get their abducted floor back.
More power to them sez me, they put a nice plan together in Dennehys Cross.:)
😎 Yes, the Frinailla proposal is good enough for all except those NIMBY’s in Bishopstown.
@jungle wrote:
Are those the two dilapidated buildings you see as you look over North Gate Bridge?
No, they are two of the four dilapidated properties on the east of Shandon Street, about half way up- bounded by Old Friary Place and Dominic Street.
Based on the planning application which Iarnrod Eireann lodged for Kent Station on March 1st it would appear that the major realignment planned for that station is either on the long finger or gone.
@lexington wrote:
Yes, that is Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the foreground. This is HTD Studio’s design for a masterplan undertaken by UCC (NMRC – now the Tyndall Institute) on the near-on 16-acre Tedcastle Holdings site along the South Docklands. The site, zoned in the Cork Docklands Development Strategy 2001, as being for part educational-part commercial use is currently the subject of discussion between Howard Holdings and Tedcastles – the outcome of which has yet to realised.
See full post here.
As noted in the above post, plus numerous others dated in December and August of 2005, Howard Holdings have successfully negotiated a joint development strategy with Tedcastle Holdings regarding their prime circa. 16-acre docklands holding adjacent to the Centre Park Road and bound in the north by the River Lee and to the west by the Marina Point Power Station. Tedcastle Holdings had, in the past, indicated a willingness to develop the valuable site on its own at various stages, the company had enlisted designs on a number of possible masterplans, including one for 550 residential units across a series of 5 – 7-storey (part 8-storey) blocks and with commercial and educational provisions also in tow. These plans however fell into contravention of designated zoning issues. The deal with Howard Holdings represents a further step by the developers to seal its intention to acquire up to 50-acres of docklands land for future development – establishing itself as the “driving seat” developer in the area. Howard’s ‘hard mover’ approach has successfully secured the company with 2 of the most valuable and developable sites in the docklands area – the other site being the recently acquired former Ford site of approximately 11.75acres which the firm purchased for just under E30m earlier this year.
– the otherside of the River Lee, the latest from Manor Park Homebuilders is that an application on the eagerly anticpiated Horgan’s Quay site is not expected in the immediate future as negotiations with parties, including those in the Stakeholder’s Forum are on-going.
🙂 Closer to the city centre, it is understood O’Callaghan Properties have finalised (or are about to finalise) the purchase of the CSPCA (Cork Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) premises along Clontarf Street – with the CSPCA intending to relocate to new, larger premises. The acquisition follows the successful bidding by the company of the former Reliance Bearings site (of approx. 0.5 acres) on Anderson’s Quay for in and around E7m through auctioneers Hamilton Osbourne King. Further acquisitions are understood to be in flow at Thomas Maher’s Clontarf Street facility (which adjoins the Reliance site) and for the S.Tyres workshop on the corner of Clontarf and Oliver Plunkett Street. It was announced by OCP previously that it would seek the opportunity to develop an office scheme of some 100,000sq ft over 5-floors and ground-floor commercial space. Basement parking for over 100 vehicles would be provided in addition. Wilson Architecture have been indicated as the design team for the project.
🙂 Across the river again, to the north, directly across from the OCP site assembly activity, Paul Kenny is to seek alterations to his permitted The Treasury office scheme (also designed by Wilson Architecture) along Saint Patrick’s Quay. The 100,000sq ft + office development is set across 2 blocks and was originally intended for Revenue Commissioners tenancy – the scheme which secured ABP approval – will now be pitched at the private sector for a mix of office based activities from legal to call-centres. An assortment of open-plan and cellular office space will be offered. Alterations to the scheme include the removal of permitted roof-gardens and the relocation of plant equipment to basement level – and for the replacement of the Parklex Panel System on the northern elevation with a Colour Render System. Opening windows to this elevation will also be replaced with fixed window features. Work on The Treasury project is expected to begin within the next 3 to 5 months.
😎 A decision by ABP on the highly anticipated Water Street scheme is scheduled in 10 days time (26th March 2006). The scheme is understood to have undergone a number of revisions as part of its planning appeal process.@lexington wrote:
A decision by ABP on the highly anticipated Water Street scheme is scheduled in 10 days time (26th March 2006). The scheme is understood to have undergone a number of revisions as part of its planning appeal process.
……… one year later, it’s about time! I’m really glad that The Treasury is going ahead, I really like how it incorperates the existing buildings. Happy St. Patrick’s Day for tomorrow, unfortunately Irish weather will undoubtedly spoil tomorrow’s “Alice in Wonderland” themed parade down Pana, but hopefully will still attract the crowds (it never stopped us before). :rolleyes:
I attended the public presentation of the Bishopstown development plan submissions session at Wilton shopping centre over the week. My main point to them was, as a resident, Ive no real problems with areas along the Victoria Cross Road been suitably redeveloped. As it is theres a pattern emerging and much of what these new buildings are replacing are horrible old industrial sites anyway. Ive lost faith in the logic or reasoning of these resident groups that supposedly represent my areas interest. So i put it to them straight, I’m not going to fight for something thats needed. All i want from the corporation is the promise to protect the established areas like Model Farm Road and Wilton Road and i would like to see the formation of a new heart to the area. There really is none at the moment and i would like to see a pedestrian friendly town centre with a nice selection of shops, things like a nice small hotel or a theatre and more nicely cared for parks. Something like that. Theres too muc dependency on cars in the area. Id like to see some sort of rail system or a dedicated bus route (preferably an ecofriendly bus service). The area should be safe and easy for elderly and children a like.
I’d personally like to see some sort of town centre along the lines of Douglas built for Bishopstown.
Somewhere like the area around Dino’s would be good but is it ideally placed ?
Did I see a bit of the north docklands development plan in the Examiner a day or two ago? I though that there would have been some mention of it at this thread. Has it slipped beneath the radar?
Just as part of my on-going updates and improvements to images on the LADSOCL and “Developments in Cork” thread – I’m just issuing notice of updates on images regarding the Rothbury Estates proposal for Sunbeam Industrial Estate in Blackpool, designed by Richard Rainey & Associates. The plan has since been withdrawn and will be subject to re-evaluation. Rothbury Estates is back by businessman Martin Buckley who steers the Reffond Group, a textile manufacturing firm with operations in Mallow and formerly Sunbeam Industrial Estate. The company also has operations and interests elsewhere nationwide.
Images:
[Image A: Bird’s Eye perspective west-to-east.]
[Image B: Montage south-to-north along the Commons Road with The Shipton Group’s “Heron’s Gate” project (part of Blackpool Park) to the right.]
Associated posts may be found here and here.
*UPDATES*
🙂 The former Atkins/MacKenzie Garden Centre along Camden Quay, long operated as a Court House by the OPW during refurbishment of the Circuit Court on Washington Street, was sold at auction on Thursday for a value estimated at around E12m to a private buyer. The 20,000sq ft site was set with a guide of E9m by auctioneers Cohlan Downing Associates on behalf of vendors NorthGate Investments (who had previously sought permission on the site for a 170-bedroom hotel).
PTB – the North Docklands Area Development Plan has been well documented on this thread and its predecessor. The plan was simply subject to a formal launch of late, hence the recent media coverage. Please avail of the ‘Search’ feature on this thread to find related posts. 😮
A belated Happy Saint Patrick’s Day to you all.– Lex
Thanks for those Lex. I’ve probably said this before on here but one of my main concerns about the Sunbeam project, and I think the picture above demonstrates this well, is its cluttered nature. In actual fact, I have no problem with the density, the development is intersected by roadways (not entirely visible in the picture above) which creates a nice urban canyon-ated feel to it. The development is like its own little urban centre within a centre and yet at the same time does particularly over dominated the surrounding area. I think in this way the height and massing is actual pretty effective. My issue is with the finish design. Its very cluttered and seems to take on board no distinctive form other than a messy, bland and rather boxy one. There is something rather boring about this development. There seems to be no great variation in finished materials, no colouration to complement the extended setting of the scheme and appears rather drab. The one feature that seems to stand out is obviously the 18 storey tower, but not for the right reasons. It is utterly lost in the rest of the project. What was needed here was a tall, sleek and slender design without the balconies!! The tower is a good example of how balconies can ‘cheap’-up a design. Extended glazing features and a more slender structure is needed. The towers orientation falls flat. Why they put it on an axis to address the city end of its setting is a mystery. A tall feature tower like this one would complement the area wonderfully if only it was appropriated properly. To achieve its supposed gateway status, clearly the tower should have been reoriented to face the valley mouth on the northern section of the site addressing the Mallow Road as it enters Blackpool and acting as a proper landmark. In its current state it just looks lost and a little silly. Having said all that, I do like the raised communal space which has been provided for potential residents. It gives them a shared space to occupy amongst themselves rather than trying to mesh it in with some sort of novelty public area. I like that a riverside public area is provided seperately. Hopefully the raised communal garden will promote enhanced interaction among the residents as a community and not lost in a complex of other activities. I hope the architects when redesigning the project, if it is to be resubmitted for planning, take note of at least some of these points, keeping the good elements and working to improve the others.
@altuistic wrote:
I attended the public presentation of the Bishopstown development plan submissions session at Wilton shopping centre over the week. My main point to them was, as a resident, Ive no real problems with areas along the Victoria Cross Road been suitably redeveloped. As it is theres a pattern emerging and much of what these new buildings are replacing are horrible old industrial sites anyway. Ive lost faith in the logic or reasoning of these resident groups that supposedly represent my areas interest. So i put it to them straight, I’m not going to fight for something thats needed. All i want from the corporation is the promise to protect the established areas like Model Farm Road and Wilton Road and i would like to see the formation of a new heart to the area. There really is none at the moment and i would like to see a pedestrian friendly town centre with a nice selection of shops, things like a nice small hotel or a theatre and more nicely cared for parks. Something like that. Theres too muc dependency on cars in the area. Id like to see some sort of rail system or a dedicated bus route (preferably an ecofriendly bus service). The area should be safe and easy for elderly and children a like.
I attended this meeting with my parents who live in Wilton.Despite my advice to them they are still 100% behind the CSD group in the area.However,reading the Echo last week it seems that the local councilors have returned to the saftey of the Bishopstown Community Association (BCA) where hopefully they will be less likely to come out spouting anti high rise rubbish.
The CCC should use the opportunity of this local area plan to sideline the CSD and work with the BCA who would be less likely to start screaming and roaring every time a block of apartments is proposed.First question is are Ridge Developments anyway involved with the O’Flynn development on Eglington St?? The reason I ask is that I heard that Ridge developments have received planning for a 17 storey tower in their Mahon Point development (first time hearing this so am doubtful if it’s true), and that it is a twin of the tower in Eglington St.!!!! Is there any truth to this??
Also this time from a reliable source, that the GAA are actively looking for land around the Blarney area, as in it is almost certain they are going to move from the docks!! Interesting to see how this develops and who will acquire Pairc Ui Chaoimh!
@Leesider wrote:
First question is are Ridge Developments anyway involved with the O’Flynn development on Eglington St?? The reason I ask is that I heard that Ridge developments have received planning for a 17 storey tower in their Mahon Point development (first time hearing this so am doubtful if it’s true), and that it is a twin of the tower in Eglington St.!!!! Is there any truth to this??
Also this time from a reliable source, that the GAA are actively looking for land around the Blarney area, as in it is almost certain they are going to move from the docks!! Interesting to see how this develops and who will acquire Pairc Ui Chaoimh!
PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd are the main contractors on the Eglinton Street project for O’Flynn Construction. Work is currently proceeding on site.
McCarthy Developments are the developers of the Jacob’s Island residential complex near Mahon Point – Ridge Developments are the main contractors with that scheme. McCarthy Developments have previously received permission to extend the height of an element of their apartment section to the scheme by 2-storeys up to 8-storeys in height.
As for the GAA and Blarney – rumour was that the GAA had been offered a site near Blarney for the construction of a new purpose built stadium as part of a land-swap agreement. The cited parties involved were said to be Castlelands Construction of Mallow who would then seek to redevelop the docklands land as a significant mixed-use scheme. Fleming Construction were understood to have approached the Munster Agricultural Society about a landswap deal – which would include a new purpose built event centre at Curraheen – while Fleming would seek to redevelop the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds. Both cases have been ruled out by the Cork City Council management – who have indicated the option of a CPO on the Munster Agricultural Society’s Showgrounds long-term lease as a means as protecting the area for recreational usage. This option would open up the possibility for the GAA to revamp and expand Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Howard Holdings are also understood to have approached Cork City Council (freehold owners of the Showgrounds) about options on the land. It is most likely CCC will seek to retain the bulk of the Showgrounds for amenity preferences only. Indeed, in a redeveloped docklands area, the need for a significant greenspace/park will be required and the Showgrounds offers a positive option for this. However, the western end of the Showgrounds site, derelict and semi-industrial in nature still offers the opportunity for redevelopment – as some parties would have it, a possible event centre?
@kesey wrote:
kite, as Frinailla are being taken to An Bord Pleanala they are shanghied for the duration anyway. They have little to lose, and a lot to gain, by attempting to get their abducted floor back.
More power to them sez me, they put a nice plan together in Dennehys Cross.:)
They might also get the levies reduced, standard practice if you’ve been granted permission for a development and it’s appealed to ABP
just wondering will anyone on this site do me a favour?im doing a project in college on the changing face of cork and how it is catching up on the other irish cities as it did not take advantage of the celtic tiger building boom like they did at the time.would anyone be able to write evan something small for the opening page as i cant think of how to put it across properly and i know theres plenty of people on this site that could write something suitable?:confused:
@daniel_7 wrote:
just wondering will anyone on this site do me a favour?im doing a project in college on the changing face of cork and how it is catching up on the other irish cities as it did not take advantage of the celtic tiger building boom like they did at the time.would anyone be able to write evan something small for the opening page as i cant think of how to put it across properly and i know theres plenty of people on this site that could write something suitable?:confused:
Hi Daniel, if you check back along the thread (maybe the previos thread) you will find that Lexington has already written a couple of articles that pretty much covers your project. Check it out… I have a feeling you’ll have to ask Lexington about the copyright 🙂
@daniel_7 wrote:
just wondering will anyone on this site do me a favour?im doing a project in college on the changing face of cork and how it is catching up on the other irish cities as it did not take advantage of the celtic tiger building boom like they did at the time.would anyone be able to write evan something small for the opening page as i cant think of how to put it across properly and i know theres plenty of people on this site that could write something suitable?:confused:
Are you actually serious? What are you studying in College, a degree in plagiarism?;)
On a serious note, as Mickeydocs said already, there is plenty of information on this site, and this thread in particular, that will help you come up with something yourself.
😎 Oyster Developments have submitted revised plans for their small but controversial proposal along Church Road in Blackrock. The e-Project designed scheme consisted originally of 7 apartments (2-bedroom units) over 3 ground-floor retail units. The plan, on a small former ESB site, received numerous objections from local residents and representatives including Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment Michael Martin TD. The revised proposal will now provide 5 townhouses, 1x 2-bedroom apartment and 2x 1-bedroom apartments.
Meanwhile, David Crowe’s other ventures in Cork are at various stages of progression. Through Oyster’s affliate Mangerton Construction – Mr. Crowe has recently completed construction on a new 6-storey in-fill project along Fitton Street, again designed by The e-Project. Quay House, as it is named, is a conveniently located and attractive scheme incorporating 18-new apartments with a mix of 1 and 2 bedroom units – now selling through agents Cohalan Downing Associates.
Quay House, Fitton StreetMr. Crowe’s other e-Project designed scheme is that of Deane Street where Oyster Developments has planning for a 6-storey office scheme – which, along with the adjoining No.8 Parnell Place PS – scheduled for a revamp and conversion to offices – will provide upwards of 40,000sq ft of space for one or more occupants. The project will proceed in 2 Phases, with work likely to commence on the Deane Street element within the prospective future.
Also in motion, the formulation of plans on the strategic site that is the former Coca-Cola Bottling facility along the Carrigrohane “Straight” Road. Mr. Crowe purchased the site last year for an estimated E7m + and possesses an area of approx. 1.7acres. Plans for a notable, predominantly residential, scheme are being worked-out. Speculation had enquired whether Mr. Crowe would negotiate purchase agreements on Sean O’Reilly’s Statoil Petrol Station which juts in on the Coca-Cola site to the north-west – and possibly the City Print Works bordering the subject site to the east – however nothing has been confirmed. Strategically it could make sense. The opportunity for a taller structure exists on the Coca-Cola site, however, the outcome of this is arguable – we will perhaps have to wait for planning before such an option is known.
A lot of very interesting news has arisen lately – some confirmed, other bits speculative ~ hopefully I can bring at least some details in the future.I see that Quay House building every week from the window in Moores Hotel where I have my piano lesson and I have to say it looks quite good. In the render it just looks like more of the same but actually looks much better in reality,
Some more image improvements and updates below. Trying to get through as many of these as I can before late May/early June.
The images below relate to that of Sean Keohane’s Grangefield Developments plan to develop, in conjunction with the Cork Boat Club, 119 residential units over basement car-parking, a new public boardwalk and state-of-the-art facility for Cork Boat Club with gangway and linked pontoon. The project offers a wonderful rejuvenation and amenity opportunity for Blackrock Harbour, the remainder of which is now subject to a masterplan with O’Mahony Pike Architects on board. Nearby, Pierse Homes and Firestone Developments are forging ahead with the Eden project on the lands of the former Ursuline Convent. The E200m scheme will ultimately comprise of 550 new residences – also designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects, and built by Pierse Contracting. That scheme is being developed based on Lyonshall Limited plans (Kieran Coughlan and Claire Riordan) – Lyonshall are now embarking on a mixed scheme of approxiately 80,000sq ft near the Skehard Road (also on former Ursuline lands) which will include a discount retailler, library, office units, other retail units and a community based accommodation. Work on that proposal will proceed shortly,
Back to the Grangefield Developments plan at Blackrock Harbour – the attractive scheme was designed by James Leahy & Associates, it has been subject to 37 individual submissions since lodgement with Cork City Council in early December 2005 – and its extended decision date is now earmarked for May 7th 2005.
An image has been added to the original post, whose details may be found here.
*UPDATES*😮 John Cleary Developments have applied for an amendment to Condition 2 of the planning permit for the development of a large office building at the former Sifco premises near Mahon Point. Designed by Coughlan de Keyser Architects, the scheme was reduced by 2 floors from an initial height of 5. The amendment calls for a grant to allow an additional, revised floor of approx. 20,000sq ft on the scheme.
More updates later.
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