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@ewankennedy wrote:
So all in all whats the general verdict? Good, bad, needs some revision??
🙂 The Patrick Street facade should get another look.
9 storeys seems a little high but as someone said yesterday,”the top 2 floors look like they were added to be removed on appeal” otherwise the proposal looks great to me.Emmet Place looks amazing… wonder what the skateboarders will make of it 😉
Patrick Street needs revision, but this was always going to be the case. Faulkners lane will be a welcome addition to Cork’s network of wonderful lanes and alleyways.
I would also like to see the view from Bowling lane
🙂 In previous posts I noted that Gerry Barrett’s Galway-based Edward Holdings may have been eyeing up opportunities in the Cork market (such as the post below)…
Post Dated: April 21st 2005
@lexington wrote:…there may be some further light for the docklands with developer Gerry Barrett’s Edward Holdings recently making a curious glance over Cork’s potential. More on that when and if I can – if anything emerges at all.
…it now turns out, Mr. Barrett has emerged as the winning bidder on the 4.25acre commercially zoned site north along the Airport Road, which recently went to auction through Cohalan Downing Associates. The bid was secured at E13.8m and was represented by Ed Douglas of DNG – who has previously acted on Mr. Barrett’s behalf. The site would make a prime development opportunity for a number of uses including offices, showrooms or even pehaps an addition to Mr. Barrett’s Monogram Hotel group which have operations in both Galway and Drogheda. However, I also understand, that this acquisition will not represent the sole extent of future Cork city interests held by the developer’s business – further options will be evaluated.
🙂 Developer Paul Kenny is to apply for an exclusive development of 32 townhouses ranging in 2-storey to 3-storey formats, with overhead conservatories and roof-gardens, at the former John A. Woods site acquired by him and which now also houses the The Kenny Group’s Cork offices.@lexington wrote:
😀 Staff at 21 Lavitts Quay were working after hours tonight in advance of O’Callaghan Properties highly anticipated Academy Street project. After some delay, the scheme is now headed to Navigation House where it will seek approval from planners – hoping to provide a prominent rejuvenation to an ambitiously assembled site right in the heart of Cork city centre.
Ambrose Kelly’s Project Architects, in conjunction with Gehl Urban Design Consultants (Denmark), have been working and reworking the landmark scheme which will be divided over 2 blocks ranging in heights of between 4 (including mezzanine) and 9-storeys with a replenished and widened Faulkner’s Lane (now proposed at up to 8 metres in width) running between them – the lane, long (and disappointingly) left uncared for is currently in varying states of dereliction, it will now form a pedestrian friendly open-plan retail street with self-contained 2-storey over basement retail buildings (with residential units overhead). This is but one feature of the broader scheme which will encompass features which include 19 large comparison goods retail units (ranging in sizes of between 8,000sq ft and 25,000sq ft) and 91 new apartments. The gross retail area of the project will equal 17,923sq m with a net retail area of 10,971sq m (excluding mezzanine levels) – the 19 units will be located across the basement, ground floor, first floor and first floor mezzanine levels. The residential units will comprise of 17x 1-bedroom units, 54x 2-bedroom units, 15x 3-bedroom units and 5x duplex units – 2 gyms will also be included in the scheme. Demolition works include the removal of upper floor levels at the Sasha store on St. Patrick’s Street, the demolition of the former Ryan’s Pharmacy on St. Patrick’s Street and the provision of a new entrance at this location. Demolition of the Jean Scene building and a newly reconstructed facade will also be undertaken at Patrick’s Street. Facades at 1-6 Academy Street, 7 Academy Street & 8 Academy Street will be retained along with the AA offices at Emmet Place – further retentions are also included. 96 basement car-parking spaces are to be included for exclusive residential occupant use.
The €150m scheme utilises extensive glazing, particularly at the Emmet Place elevation, as well as notable copper cladded elements. A feature most notable along the Academy Street/Emmet Place elevations is the stacking of shell-like zinc cascades.
The bulk of the assembled 0.56 hectare Academy Street site (with total acquisition values estimated at between €85m and €100m) comprises of the soon-to-be former Irish Examiner offices and printing press. The building extends to 1,765sq m at ground floor level, with a further 1,022 sq m overhead at 1st floor level (+ printing press spaces), and was acquired by O’Callaghan Properties (OCP) in 2004 for an estimated €30m. Part of the deal included a site exchange feature which saw Thomas Crosbie Holdings (publishers of the Irish Examiner) acquire a site at O’Callaghan Properties’ Mahon Point scheme – this site was subsequently developed on lease from TCH by WebPrint Concepts as a new printing press facility (which now produces all TCH titles bar the UK-based Irish Post). Following this acquisition, OCP proceeded to purchased the former Johnson & Perrott showrooms at Emmet Place – in another similar land exhange deal, the Grand Circle Lounge (for a value believed to be in and around €1.2m), Taboo alternative bar, 97 St. Patrick’s Street and buildings along St. Patrick’s Street which included Le Chateau bar (first noted on this web forum despite reports to the contrary). The block area had been identified for higher-order retail development by Cork City Council as part of its city centre retail strategy.
Agents for the scheme include Project Architects & Gehl Urban Design Consultants (Design), Niall Fitzsimons & Co. (Consulting Engineers), Chris Southgate (Conservation Engineer), Bowen Construction (expected Main Contractors) and Hamilton Osbourne King (Commercial and Retail Advisors).
With this scheme now destined to the throws of planning, attention will undoubtedly focus on the next big retail schemes earmarked for the city centre – including that of investor Joe O’Donovan and his assembled site linking St. Patrick’s Street to Grand Parade – which includes the former Capitol Cineplex, Central Shoe Stores and 50 St. Patrick’s Street.
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Lex
Le Chateau bar is NOT sold
I think this design is one of the worst proposals I have seen for Cork. It seems that people will throw up any old re hashed Jervis St crap and expect the citezens of Cork to lap it up gratefully. I am disgusted at the level of design of the project. It is tedious, ill-considered and ad-hoc. It is not unlike the horrific building occupied by Vibes and Scribes fronting Paul St. Car Park. I am ashamed that the people of Cork have such little respect for the urban fabric of such a unique city that they wouyld allow such obscene development to continue.
One hundred percent agreed with you on that dkelab. Hideous stuff – even less attractive than Merchants Quay and that’s saying a lot.
@dkebab wrote:
I think this design is one of the worst proposals I have seen for Cork. It seems that people will throw up any old re hashed Jervis St crap and expect the citezens of Cork to lap it up gratefully. I am disgusted at the level of design of the project. It is tedious, ill-considered and ad-hoc. It is not unlike the horrific building occupied by Vibes and Scribes fronting Paul St. Car Park. I am ashamed that the people of Cork have such little respect for the urban fabric of such a unique city that they wouyld allow such obscene development to continue.
I’d have to 100 % disagree with you there dkebab!
One thing this development could not be accused of being is rashly designed or ill-considered. The length of time it took to prepare this development and the extensive pre-submission negotiations with Cork City Council, along with the track records of those involved in the design speaks volumes for the proposal.
The design was always going to have detractors given its high profile position and the scope of the project overall, but on the whole, it has managed to protect the notable buildings on site, while at the same time open them up for retail uses which are badly needed if the City Centre is to continue to thrive and for St. Patrick’s Street to retain its position as best shopping street in the country.
To suggest that the design damages the urban fabric of the city is also a strange statement to make in that it practically introduces a new street (Faukner’s Lane) which will be pedestrianised to add to the already highly popular “lane” culture in the city (as evidenced by the popularity of French Church Street, Paul Street, Princes Street, Cook Street, etc). The development retains and enriches the city blocks which have remained pretty much static since they were originally laid out.
With regards to the design, enough variety has been introduced in order to ensure it does not present a monolithic ediface onto the lanes and streets- something which certainly cannot be said for Merchants Quay. The Glass features onto Emmett Place ensure that the historic buildings in this area are not overshadowed, but at the same time, any faux historic elements are rightfully avoided.
This development certainly has a few issues to be ironed out- all developments do! The St. Patrick’s street facade- while not offensive, could do with a bit of tweeking and the overall height will undoubtedly come down. This aside, it is certainly not “one of the worst proposals” ever seen for Cork.
Can you elaborate as to what you see are this development’s shortcomings dkebab?This proposal is every bit of its time in the way that Merchant’s Qy was of its. The only positive I can see coming from this devt is the actual realisation of retail space in the city core.
So what do we do with this 1 acre of land in the middle of Cork City? Leave it as it is?
Failing that we could build a time machine…. zoom into the future…find out what will look cool in 30 years time and then build that!
You can’t expect any development to be anything but “of its time”…. we cant predict the future!@dkebab wrote:
. It seems that people will throw up any old re hashed Jervis St crap and expect the citezens of Cork to lap it up gratefully. .
I don’t really understand the rehash of Jervis Street reference. :confused: They look completely different.
From Hot Press.com about new Cork Venue
Rock’n’roll in Cork received a major boost today with the news that a new 1,000 capacity venue will open in the city in the near future.Hot Press has learned that the old Capitol Cineplex cinema complex is to be re-styled as a multi-room live and contemporary music emporium. “I think it could be the venue that Cork people have been dreaming about,†one local industry insider told Hot Press. “It’s a place with real character, that you can imagine all sorts of interesting things happening in.â€
According to sources, the venue is likely to have a limited life-span. The site has been earmarked for a major development, with apartments likely to be built there. However, those plans have apparently been shelved for a period of five years – allowing for the opening of what promises to be a unique venue.
Hot Press understands that the new venture is being driven by the people behind An Cruiscin Lan, which has become one of Cork’s most respected venues for music. However, the new complex will have the advantage of being located on Grand Parade in the heart of the city – potentially a key factor when it comes to attracting crowds.
anyone know anythng about this?
@jdivision wrote:
I don’t really understand the rehash of Jervis Street reference. :confused: They look completely different.
Gotta agree, I don’t see the likeness to Jervis Street retail scheme with its great big multi storey stuck on top……anyway Jervis St has all the tracksuits and dubs that you could ever need, Patrick Street, well it kinda fits the area apart from a few bits that I’m sure the Planners will take out.
BTW, the biggest problem with Jervis Street is the mess its made of the traffic in the area.
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looks ridiculous! Pays no respect to the context of the square. Why are these developers so greedy; maximising floor space to the max. I think all those curved roofes are unnecessarily fussy. Would prefer something with cleaner lines. I sense another Frank McDonald versus Owen O Callaghan clash in the Irish Times.
anto wrote:looks ridiculous! Pays no respect to the context of the square. Why are these developers so greedy]I think the curved roof features soften the impact on the established structures and nearby building heights by promoting a gradual climax rather than a hard edge vertical line. Where cleaner lines are employed to the east, the impact is far more noticeable – I think additional curve features would actually soften the impact on this elevation.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
and for St. Patrick’s Street to retain its position as best shopping street in the country.
I don’t think St Patricks Street has ever held that title!
@jdivision wrote:
I don’t really understand the rehash of Jervis Street reference. :confused: They look completely different.
my real issue with Jervis street is that it ignores all but the henry street facade… it has an incredibly negative impact on Abbey street, which is why I’m very keen to see the Bowling Lane Street facade. This is why I’m also very enthusiastic about the revitalisation of a shabby city lane in what should be a vital link between Faulkner Patrick Street and Emmet Place.
I’ve got a question in relation to the height of Academy street… does anyone know if the proposed height is higher than the Savoy Centre?
@corkdood wrote:
I don’t think St Patricks Street has ever held that title!
In fact it has held that title for a number of years. See press release from Department of The Environment below:
CORK CITY DOES IT AGAIN!
Patrick Street, Cork is Ireland’s “City Neighbourhood, 2004“Minister of State Batt O’Keefe presents the 2004
City Neighbourhood AwardsFor the second year in a row Cork City has walked away with top honours in the City Neighbourhoods Competition. Last year it was South Mall]Patrick Street has been named the winner [/B]by Batt O’Keefe, T.D., Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government at an Awards ceremony held in Dublin Castle today (15 November). The Right Honourable The Lord Mayor of Cork, Cllr. Se
re your opinion dkebab, thats fiar enough everyone is entitled to one but the Cork planners have no comebacks re granting permission to developments – looks arent part of their criteria it seems – the general consensus on Victoria Cross is that its hideous so no planner can ever come back and shoot down a building becuase of its looks. Plus its OCP that have spent a copule of hundred million (which of course they will recoup in spades) but its still their money so when we all have that amount of money we can build what we like.
I think its great for Cork and about time, we are years behind the rest of europe. All we need now is some vestige of a transport network. As for Patrick St getting best shopping street – I know they actually got it but that must have been a pure political thing – there isnt a hope that its the best in the country, sorry. Someone is trying to say Pana beats Grafton St and Henry St? nope. And a central shopping street getting ‘Best NEIGHBOURHOOD??’ – that says it all
Article in the Examiner today that the triangle on the river where the Cork Bonded Warehouses are has been cleared for sale after a legal challenge was dismissed – I thought OCP had bought this anyway? I know Lex reported it somewhere in this thread already
@Pug wrote:
Article in the Examiner today that the triangle on the river where the Cork Bonded Warehouses are has been cleared for sale after a legal challenge was dismissed – I thought OCP had bought this anyway? I know Lex reported it somewhere in this thread already
Pug – I have made a few posts since then regarding the site…
eg: https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=42921&postcount=1046
…the talk was speculative. I haven’t followed it up since because I haven’t heard anything – the info came from someone closely attached to the one of the involved mentined parties and who was/is very reliable – otherwise you can be sure it would not have been posted. If details are provided that support the claims the mentioned firm still do have ideas on the site I will let you know – but lest the information by thrown accusatively, I’ll leave it for the time being.
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