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Well, its worth picking up a copy of today’s Examiner to see their excellent selection of images of the new Academy Street/St.Patrick’s Street development (does it have a name yet?).
You can really understand the delays in submission with this one because it so obvious that a lot of thought and consideration has gone into it. The treatment of the protected structures along Acadent Street itself looks excellent and the developers have certainly kept to their word when they said that it would not have an overbearing effect of St. Patrick’s Street.
The widening and pedestrianisation of Faulkner’s lane was a given and while the images look good, I’ll wait and see the details regarding street frontage (or should that be lane frontage) and access in this portion.
The only thing I can fault the development on is what looks like an overly blocky and fussy roof element of the Johnsons and Perrott section of the site, visible from Emmett Place.Anyway, there just my first impressions! What does everyone else think?
Has anyone see a photomontage of the St. Patrick’s Street facade?
My hang up is the Emmet Place frontage as well, its very bland and blocky when what was needed here was a proposal which utilised the superb vantage along Emmet Place from the quays. The frontage fails to capitalise on its location and I would, had I my way, push for an enhanced treatment and redesign. It stacks up poorly – in fact I would propose an adjusted replication of the zinc shell stepping as found on the corner of Academy Street and Emmet Place. This would bring more consistency to the frontage, provide a more gradual incline to the taller sections and give something a bit more exciting to look at visually. Also a sympathetic copper treatment would compliment the “doll house” building in the middle of this frontage better than glass on the eastern side. I can’t see 9 storeys getting through unhinged, I’d expect 2 storeys to be knocked off the higher apex sections. 7 storeys seems more reasonable. Other than that its not a bad design for such a complicated site and I especially like the northern section of the Academy Street frontage.
And whats all this I hear on the radio that its a 450 million euro development??!! Exaggerration much? It makes for nice sensationalism but a scheme of this make-up with a 450 million euro value would be unviable. I think a more conservative 100 million euro…maybe 150 million as lex said would be a bit more realistic.
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And whats all this I hear on the radio that its a 450 million euro development??!! Exaggerration much? It makes for nice sensationalism but a scheme of this make-up with a 450 million euro value would be unviable. I think a more conservative 100 million euro…maybe 150 million as lex said would be a bit more realistic.
I think that’s the completion value if it was to be sold off as an investment after completion.
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Patrick St elevation. Lex, posted opinion on previous page. I like it but would prefer if the grey of the shell had been continued where the copper is. Don’t have any issues with scale.@jdivision wrote:
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Is there some form of facade retention going on under the green copper roof in that image? This part of the building looks completely out of sync with the rest of it.
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Is there some form of facade retention going on under the green copper roof in that image? This part of the building looks completely out of sync with the rest of it.
Partial retention of the former Irish Examiner offices facade along 1-6 Academy Street.
Below is an image of one of the facades set for complete retention along Academy Street: No.8 Academy Street
Saint Patrick’s Street elevation comparative:A.) Outline of elevations proposed for alteration as they stand (perspective east to west)
B.) Proposed elevation (perspective west to east)
This image originally posted by jdivision.I’m not too crazy about that St. Patrick’s Street elevation. I wonder how much of Pana’s gonna be dug up again.
Looks good otherwise:)the saint patricks street elevation looks very off and a little bland. im confused about the necessity to break the line of established heights fronting patricks street. whats with the peaked feature?!!! must say i do like the academy st elevations and use of copper cladding. the shell features are interesting too but have to agree with some of the earlier critical comments about emmett place stacking and elevations. will nine storeys really pass????????
The Patrick St aspect is bar the weakest of this scheme. Needs revision.
As for the nine storeys – the design looks like they slabbed that on so that in appeal two can get knocked off with ease.@lexington wrote:
Partial retention of the former Irish Examiner offices facade along 1-6 Academy Street.
Thanks Lexington. Nothing like a bit of urban taxidermy! I am not a big fan of facade retention. I think it is almost more instulting to the heritage of a building than complete destruction.
I would like to have seen what the facade you have shown would have looked like with its original windows. That window in the centre of your photo seems to have been a doorway at somestage, was it?
I think the Patrick’s Street elevations looks very strange, particularly if that is the doorway to the present structure that is retained? Overall, from what I can see from those photomontages, I think this development is going to look too bitty. It seems to be lacking in overall legibility.
What I can’t figure out is why the Examiner Offices are protected at all. I mean, they look crap! Seriously, of what significance are they besides their high profile? One of the aspects of the redevelopment that I was looking forward to most was their demolition, and a major redesign of that side of Academy Street…
I do think that a number of parts of the Examiner Offices are worthy of being retained. They may look a bit shabby at the moment but should contribute greatly to this new development.
I’d have to agree that the St.Patrick’s street facade is a bit pointless- why knock the Ryan’s Pharmacy/Sasha portion to replace it with something that seems to be struggling to mirror it? I can see this being retained in the final plans when permission is granted.
Anybody know what effect this development will have on Bowling Green Street? Will it get a similar treatment to Faulkner’s Lane? It certainly deserves it. I know Dunnes Stores are working on plans for their side of Bowling Green Street- how do they stand at present??
Will the two developments work together to rejuvinate this street? or will they both have their backs to it?i’m with jdivision on that one, Emmet st side of the devt looks great, upper levels on Patrick St side are a bit too blocky and hopefully wont be cream/magnolia type colouring, could they not just bring the curve down on that side as well?
it really is exciting to see Cork and its quays starting to develop, not far from academy st will be Precincts block across the water, next to Paul Kennys Treasury building, , right opposite then will be the ‘flatiron’ Oyster devts next to the bus station, bounce back aross the river and Kent station will be brand new next to the brand new conference/event centre at Horgans Quay, just after will be the Water Street buildings with the Grangefield development across the water, just next to the redeveloped Pairc Ui Caoimh / Showgrounds
any architects out there with ability to do a quick map or photo of those developments if all built, could be an interesting exercise!
Is the AA building retained behind that tree in the Emmet Place photo? If not what’s going between the Examiner Facade and the “doll house” building.
The paranoiac in me reckons that tree is hiding something…
From what I see in the pictures, the whole thing looks really great, except the St. Patrick Street façade is a bit of a let down…. I’ve seen worse, but I’ve seen better aswell. What year can we expect to be going shopping there? 2010 at a push?
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