developments in cork
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@Maskhadov wrote:
what is the appeal for ? the apartments look good to me
🙂 Frinaillas design for Dennehy’s Cross does look good although their proposals for the former convent site in Sundays Well seem to be far superior.
One question, the Echo had a story last week that the CCC decision to grant on the Dennehy site has been referred / reported to the Enviornment Minister. Will / can, this delay the ABP outcome?have you a link for that proposal for the former convent site Kite?
What is the problem with the apartments anyway ? nothing from what I can see.
😮 CCC have granted permission to Precinct Investments plans to redevelop the St. Patrick’s Quay frontage of the Gresham Metropole Hotel. While the protected element of the hotel fronting MacCurtain Street will be subject to an extensive refurbishment, the southern extension and leisure centre are set to be demolished and replaced with 44-new bedrooms, conference facilities, 4 split levels of basement car-parking (for 87 spaces) and 61 apartments over varying block levels. The details of the project may be found here, here and also here.
The project was lodged in December of 2005 and was granted an extension on the original due date (14th February 2006) to facilitate consideration of Unsolicited Further Information until 1st March 2006. Some modifications were proposed in the information. As part of the grant conditions, CCC have imposed conditions limiting the height of the 12-storey tower element – this section will now be limited to a maximum height of 32 metres. The tower element has also seen condition requests calling for redesign so as to emphasise its articulation. Select metal cladding finishes are now to be replaced by glazing. In assessing the project, the planners report notes:
“It is considered the proposed development provides a positive balance between retaining elements of value on site and the introduction of contemporary elements that successfully compliment each other.”
In total 20 conditions have been imposed on the grant.
Maskhadov:Images and associated details for the Frinailla proposal at Good Shepherd Convent may be seen here.
While further images and details on the Dennehy’s Cross project may be found here.
@Pug wrote:I think this is in the hands of Paul Kenny as well isnt it? if so I am sure he will be slightly busy with Patricks Quay for a while!
Mr. Kenny has plans on this site, that unless another potential deal is realised in the meantime, he intends to lodge for planning within the prospective future.
Sample of tidal waterway under city-centre streets. Most of these waterways were culverted in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. This old waterway was exposed near the junction of St Patrick’s Street and Grand Parade during pavement refurbishment in February 2005.
This is actually realy intresting when you think of it as cork was once just small islands criss crossed by the river lee as shown in the first photo and most the streets in the centre island (city centre) have the lee running under it .Are there culverts all the way along Patricks street, Grand Parade and South Mall? I was aware that culverts existed but thought it was on a smaller scale. T’would be interesting to take a boat through them sometime though I wouldn’t hold out any hope of finding any crocodiles in there like the urban myths.
Sometimes I think that tis a bit of a pity that the waterways were filled in because it would be incredible to live in a city like Venice. Although that would have is own drawbacks. A Patricks street filled with water would make shopping difficult. And I hear that Venice has odour problems and is slowly sinking. But it would look incredible.
The tower will need an extensive reworking along with most of the elements to McCurtain St it looks jumbled and a definite case of shifting excessive bulk around a confined site.
@Thomond Park wrote:
The tower will need an extensive reworking along with most of the elements to McCurtain St it looks jumbled and a definite case of shifting excessive bulk around a confined site.
Could’nt agree more. If this gets built hopefully it will open the whole of the quay to good development as this south facing quay has great potential.
my contacts in the building trade tell me that those 2 parcels of land up by the airport went on sale yesterday – one of those parcels is residential so they will be the only houses right next to the main road – a solr bought the land in trust but if anyone hears who bought it out of curiousity, let us know
PS – as per the Examiner a Dublin estate agent bought the parcel of land zoned light industrial and the residential parcel buyer again as per The Examiner is rumoured to be O Brien O FLynn
Lexington: Any bigger pick of the new Metropole ? WOuld like to see a better view. I actually like the design and am suprised that there isn’t more talk about it.
@Pug wrote:
my contacts in the building trade tell me that those 2 parcels of land up by the airport went on sale yesterday – one of those parcels is residential so they will be the only houses right next to the main road – a solr bought the land in trust but if anyone hears who bought it out of curiousity, let us know
PS – as per the Examiner a Dublin estate agent bought the parcel of land zoned light industrial and the residential parcel buyer again as per The Examiner is rumoured to be O Brien O FLynn
The Dublin estate agent acts for Gerry Barrett a lot. Bought that site on the outer relief road in Waterford for him. Could be him again.
That picture is a thumbnail from imageshack.us. All you have to do is remove the .th in the url and here’s the pic:
By the way to me this is one of the worst proposals in Cork. It just looks like a lump of boxes thrown randomly into something that looks like a pile of rubbish. The overall shape seems overly complicated and unbalanced and because of its bulkiness is even more out of scale than what’s already there now. I wouldn’t mind something quite tall going there (ie about 8 stories) but would have to be more slender so it wouldn’t seem so out of scale.
Just thought I’d mention that last week I was in Limerick and was stunned by what they’ve done with the quayside. The new riverpoint building and clarion hotel together are stunning and I really hope the few highrise buildings in the docklands will be of a similar standard. Paul Kenny’s The Treasury development is definitely a step in the right direction. It’s definitely one of my favourites
Though I’m delighted that the Metropole proposal is a s further step in hopefully what will be a large-scale and long overdue much needed redevelopment of Patricks Quay, I am somewhat disappointed by the O’Mahony Pike design here. When you look at a proposal like Dennehys Cross and then this, its hard to put the 2 in frame as being from the same firm. I see and applaud what the architects is trying to do here, allow for varying parapet heights so as to break up bulk and compliment surrounding structures. I agree with malec, the site could do with a tall feature, but the overall resulting articulation is poorly executed and creates a very disjointed 20 car pile up. It reminds me of the proposal for Sunbeam with the 18 storey element lost in a jumble of block heights. As par lex’s post, the planner has demanded a redesign of the tower and limit on height as well as some elevational alterations. Maybe this will aid the scheme. Anyone know how the problem with the leisure lease worked out? If its not settled the scheme probably won’t be able to move until 2008 (???).
As for the other end of Patricks Quay. I agree, The Treasury is definitely a step in the right direction, striking yet not overbearing. Mr. Kenny’s efforts here have got me highly anticipating what he has in store for his Grand Parade site.
I saw this in the Echo last Tuesday and thought someone might find it interesting (sorry I’m so late posting it on here).
CORK CITY COUNCIL is to request central funding for the provision of a light rail system from the city centre to Cork International Airport. Councillors approved a motion to this effect tabled by Cllr. Dave McCarthy at Monday night’s council meeting. Cllr. McCarthy urged the council to lodge a funding request with the Department of Transport.
I wonder what will come of it? It would certainly be an improvement to the current transportation links to the airport, and I can’t see why it wouldn’t be extended at some later date to somewhere like Carrigaline.
@POM wrote:
Though I’m delighted that the Metropole proposal is a s further step in hopefully what will be a large-scale and long overdue much needed redevelopment of Patricks Quay, I am somewhat disappointed by the O’Mahony Pike design here. When you look at a proposal like Dennehys Cross and then this, its hard to put the 2 in frame as being from the same firm. I see and applaud what the architects is trying to do here, allow for varying parapet heights so as to break up bulk and compliment surrounding structures. I agree with malec, the site could do with a tall feature, but the overall resulting articulation is poorly executed and creates a very disjointed 20 car pile up. It reminds me of the proposal for Sunbeam with the 18 storey element lost in a jumble of block heights. As par lex’s post, the planner has demanded a redesign of the tower and limit on height as well as some elevational alterations. Maybe this will aid the scheme. Anyone know how the problem with the leisure lease worked out? If its not settled the scheme probably won’t be able to move until 2008 (???).
Basically tall and slender is better than short and bulky I think. Aswell as you said it would create a better impression if the tower was out in front, facing the river rather than hidden away (although 12 storeys seems a bit too tall though)
@malec wrote:
Basically tall and slender is better than short and bulky I think. Aswell as you said it would create a better impression if the tower was out in front, facing the river rather than hidden away (although 12 storeys seems a bit too tall though)
Might start a high rise trend for McCurtain Street. I doubt think it actually looks that bad. Especially compared to the appartments at Victoria Cross.
@Micko wrote:
Might start a high rise trend for McCurtain Street. I doubt think it actually looks that bad. Especially compared to the appartments at Victoria Cross.
I would agree that the design does not look too bad BUT i don’t think any proposal for this prominent site should be just ok, it should be exceptional, otherwise we will be going down the route of Merchants Quay, ie “Its a slight improvement on what is already there so let’s go for it”
I’m curious, how come office buildings like Number 6 Lapps quay and City quarter filled up with occupiers fairly smoothly and yet 21 Lavitts quay still seems as though its office element is still relatively unoccupied even though it has a good location, parking and all that. Even Blackpool park and Ballincollig town centre who have much bigger office sections seem to have filled up pretty quick and they’re miles out and i think Blackpool uses the same estate agent as well???!!
@kite wrote:
I would agree that the design does not look too bad BUT i don’t think any proposal for this prominent site should be just ok, it should be exceptional, otherwise we will be going down the route of Merchants Quay, ie “Its a slight improvement on what is already there so let’s go for it”
God, i can only barely remember Merchants Quay of old from my childhood. Completely run down small shops. In fact, i i think every single shop was closed down from when I remember it. Any pics anyone ?
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