developments in cork
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@ewankennedy wrote:
So what developments are you most looking forward to seeing being built in Cork??
I’d have to say
1. Horgans quay
2. The Treasury
3. Eglinton street
4. Cornmarket street
5. Grand parade plaza (if they ever decide to build it!! must be months overdue at this stage)🙂 Mine would be
1.Eglinton St.
2.Docklands
3. Custom House Quay
4.Grand Parade
5. Lee BoardwalkI’ld love to see the Water street development being built. Though it has been scaled back a lot.
I think that construction will begin on the Grand Parade plaza vrey soon. They already have started putting a new road system in place around Tuckey street. As for being overdue I think it was supposed to start some time now anyway.
@PTB wrote:
I’ld love to see the Water street development being built. Though it has been scaled back a lot.
I think that construction will begin on the Grand Parade plaza vrey soon. They already have started putting a new road system in place around Tuckey street. As for being overdue I think it was supposed to start some time now anyway.
:p Thanks PTB but the Grand parade plaza is the Frinilla scheme there near the monument, the old Grand parade hotel…they demolished it put up boardings and sold the apartments, excavated the site and a year later and nothing is happening!!!!! I know they bought the pub next to them to increase the size of the scheme but ya’d still think they’d have started some building work by now.
@lexington wrote:
The eye-catching Kiosk Architects entry in the Kyrl’s Quay design competition.Never saw this entry. WOW!
@ewankennedy wrote:
:p Thanks PTB but the Grand parade plaza is the Frinilla scheme there near the monument, the old Grand parade hotel…they demolished it put up boardings and sold the apartments, excavated the site and a year later and nothing is happening!!!!! I know they bought the pub next to them to increase the size of the scheme but ya’d still think they’d have started some building work by now.
Talking of the monument…
Before main drainage, it was surrounded by grass and flower beds. Now, it’s surrounded by tarmac. Are they wwiting for Grand Parade Plaza to be built before they put it right? Is there some other plan? Or is it just going to be left like that?
BTW I also notice that we now have graffiti sprayed on the new stonework in the small square in front of the red abbey…
@ewankennedy wrote:
:p Thanks PTB but the Grand parade plaza is the Frinilla scheme there near the monument, the old Grand parade hotel…they demolished it put up boardings and sold the apartments, excavated the site and a year later and nothing is happening!!!!! I know they bought the pub next to them to increase the size of the scheme but ya’d still think they’d have started some building work by now.
🙂 City Manager Joe Gavin has plans for the city library on the Grand Parade as reported in the Examiner last week that could tie in nicely with the Frinilla project. If they are in the running to take over the library it would make sense to hold off on development on GP until then.
Cast your eyes upwards in the next few weeks in Cork and you’re likely to see a small but not insignificant architectural event!
As part of it’s overall restoration and refurbishment, the “pineapples” are about to be replaced atop the steeple of St. Anne’s Church, Shandon. Scaffolding has recently been erected around parts of the tower to facilitate the work. The decorative pieces were removed last year when they were found to be structurally unsafe during cleaning work on the upper portion of the steeple.
The ornaments which are being installed are not the original limestone, but are concrete copies. It will be good to see them back, the old girl hasn’t looked the same without her jewels!
Fig 1: Shandon Steeple intact.
Fig 2: Shandon, as seen recently- minus the pineapples!
Fig 3: Work underway today on the steeple.The Shandon area itself is ripe for renewal, with CCC now in possession of the Butter Market Museum/trade centre. This will make for a very nice tourism feature to capitalise on the area’s huge tourist potential.
Shandon Church, St. Anne’s Shandon dates 1722 but its tower was not erected until 1750. It has two limestone faces and two faces dressed in red sandstone. There are three terraced square towers topping it off which are very finely and gracefully proportioned. The steeple houses the famous bells of Shandon and the tower itself is one of the city’s best-known landmarks. The tower is crowned with the gilt ball and a fish in the form of a salmon, thirteen feet in length. The church replaces an older church of St. Mary which was destroyed in the siege of 1690.
Anyone have pictures of what the Grand Parade Plaza is going to look like ?
Can’t find anything on the Cork Corp website.
@Micko wrote:
Anyone have pictures of what the Grand Parade Plaza is going to look like ?
Can’t find anything on the Cork Corp website.
Hope this helps, I’m still working on the images 🙂
The new Grand Parade’s key features will include: widened footpaths; vast paved open public spaces, especially around the National Monument; dozens of new benches; in-floor lighting; and the same type of street lamps which sparked controversy when they were installed on St Patrick’s Street.
Talks are ongoing about installing a stepped boardwalk along the river at the southern end of the street.
The War Memorial park at the southern end will also be enhanced.
The low trees will be removed and new paved areas installed to make the area more attractive.
The Berwick Fountain will be temporarily removed during construction, restored by expert stone conservators. It will be replaced in the same location and will be enhanced with feature lighting to become a focal point on the street.
Traffic lanes will be reduced to three lanes, parking will be removed from the centre of the street, extra disabled parking spaces will be provided on Tuckey Street and up to 10 taxi spaces will be provided. Bus stops will remain.😎 Tomorrow (March 1st 2006) is the scheduled decision date for Precinct Investments plans to redevelop the St. Patrick’s Quay portion of their Gresham Metropole Hotel. Lodged on the 12th December 2005, the scheme designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects, seeks to demolish what is largely viewed as an eyesore – that is, the southern extension to the hotel, as well as the relatively recent addition of the Leeside Leisure Centre. In their place, Precinct propose a multi-leveled redevelopment consisting of 61 new apartments, 5 retail units, 87 basement car-parking spaces (across 4 levels) and a 3,556sq m hotel extension; these elements will be facilitated by a new 7-storey block (inclusive of conferencing facilities and 44 new hotel bedrooms overhead), 2 further blocks (5 and 6-storeys with 2 setback levels – including 34 apartments [10x 1-bedroom, 19x 2-bedroom & 5x 3-bedroom]). The attractive red-brick building on the corner of Harley Street and St. Patrick’s Quay will be restored and converted to a live/work unit with commercial use at street-level and residential overhead. Fronting Harley Street, 2 retail units are to be provided with 15 overhead apartments in blocks of 4 & 6 storeys with 3-set back storeys – here 4 x 1-bedroom & 11 x 2-bedroom units will be provided. From Harley Street access will also be provided to a courtyard – to this, 1 block rising to 12-storeys over basement will provide an additional 11 x 2-bedroom and 1 x 3-bedroom units. The entire site encompasses 0.2732 hectares and includes the area occupied by the existing Metropole Hotel bounded by Harley Street, St. Patrick’s Quay, MacCurtain Street and the Everyman Palace. As part of the proposal extensive renovations to the existing PS at the Metropole will be included.
Following the application, 2 submissions were ultimately filed with Cork City Council’s Planning Department; 1 was issued by An Taisce – they welcomed the redevelopment of the unsightly hotel extension currently in place, but raised concerns regarding the impact and scale of the new proposal on the existing protected hotel structure at MacCurtain Street and Harley Street cornerhouse. Furthermore, the submission objects to the inclusion of the 12-storey tower feature stating its inarticulate and bland design. A 2nd submission was issued by the Leeside Leisure Partnership, who operate the hotel’s leisure centre – which, in the application is scheduled for demolition without replacement. The Partnership claim they were uninformed of the development move and retain an operating lease until at least 2008.
An initial decision date was earmarked for February 14th 2006, however this was subsequently extended until March 1st 2006. Precinct Investments is backed by developer Bryan Cullen, builder and hotelier JJ Murphy and solicitor David Coleman – they have also been associated with a bid for the Jurys Doyle Group before it was secured by JDH Acquisitions.
😎 City Manager Joe Gavin has offered an indication that CCC may approach the Munster Agricultural Society with a CPO on their long-term lease of the lands, which are owned by CCC. The move is seen as a possible attempt to secure the lands as an area of high recreational accommodation with the new docklands regeneration – thus in line with the Cork Docklands Development Strategy 2001. Such a move would effectively determine an end to attempts by a number of development groups to construct a new event centre on part of the Showgrounds lands. Among the event centre groups involved, it is understood a prominent Munster hotelier had been a backing participant in one scheme proposal. At one point, Fleming Construction had offered the MAS a landswap deal for the highly attractive lands positing the provision of a new event centre near Curraheen to the western periphery of the city in exchange – an offer swiftly ruled out by Joe Gavin who continues to champion the facilitation of an event centre at Horgan’s Quay – controlled by Manor Park Homebuilders and CIE. The CPO proposal also dampens Howard Holdings prospects to acquire some developable rights on the MAS land – however they are now understood to have made moves on other properties near their former Ford Distribution site acquisition. The news is good for the likes of the GAA who may now be in a position to explore development and expansion options on their Pairc Ui Chaoimh stadium.– so what of the event centre? Manor Park Homebuilders initial proposition of a centre approximately accommodating 2,500 patrons was squarely rejected by CCC on its presentation (as part of a submission regarding the North Docklands Local Area Plan). Manor Park’s primary interest is the development of residential and commercial (notably retail) elements on the 17-acre Horgan’s Quay site. The company’s wish to facilitate an extensive commercial/retail precinct around the extended Kent Station (following a similar example of that at MacDonagh Station in Kilkenny by Chesterbridge Developments) was rejected by CCC on the belief that retail provisions should be focussed on community service roles rather than a large centre facility. Irrespective, Manor Park and CIE are understood to still favour a larger commercial role around the station area – the determination of this will realise itself closer to planning. In the meantime, it is believed MPH have engaged discussions with a locally based developer regarding the provision of an events centre – to a degree, this relieves MPH/CIE of the burden – offering a portion of their quayside site over to the role of a sufficiently scaled centre and allowing them focus on their favoured elements. The determination of plans is unknown, but understood to be under assessment. Progress on the plan seems to be mixed, with residential and other elements effectively advanced to a sufficient stage, but with ancillary issues now delaying immediate planning moves. In which manner planning aspects proceed is the matter for MPH/CIE, its agents and discussions between CCC and the Stakeholders Forum.
🙂 CIE are to apply for an extensive refurbishment of the existing terminal building at Kent Station. Their plans will see a scaled revamp of the interior concourse with new retail units, heating, timber supports and glazed installations. New glazed divisions will be installed along the platform areas. An extension to the concourse entrance will be proposed; the demolition of an existing yard area for further parking provision (90 addtional spaces) along with new hard landscaping works to the station exterior grounds. The revamp has been on the cards for sometime, and will compliment future provisions planned for Horgan’s Quay as part of the larger redevelopment of the waterfront site. For CIE, this will mean the reorientation of main station access to face the water – served by a new primary route and ancillary support roads – with a new terminal facility facing south.
Re: The ‘exciting news’ pre-weekend, I understand the proposal is imminent but has been offset by a few days since the weekend.@ewankennedy wrote:
So what developments are you most looking forward to seeing being built in Cork??
Too many to mention, including those we’ve yet to see in planning – but of those we have:
Favourites like The Treasury and Eglinton Street seeing completion are up there. But also Frinailla’s projects at Victoria Cross, CitySquare and Dennehy’s Cross – and one of my pet favourites at CentrePoint (Clontarf Street). Other schemes include Parnell Place Hotel project – but there are many others too.
Revised design on the Frinailla Victoria Cross Road project – currently in appeal.I hope they won’t remove the upturned cannon outside the peace park. It would be a crime if they did
@PTB wrote:
I hope they won’t remove the upturned cannon outside the peace park. It would be a crime if they did
In the images and layouts i’ve seen (but alas have been unable to upload) the cannon is staying in place, at the corner of Grand Parade and Tuckey Street. There will be huge open plazas constructed at the gates of Bishop Lucey Park and around the National Monument at the south end of the street.
The Berwick fountain will be the centrepiece of the street, having been removed and set back in place with considerable improvements to its current locale and lighting.
With all this talk of the Grand Parade we are inclined to forget about its neighbour to the rear, South Main Street. This is the oldest street in Cork City and at the moment is in a terrible condition – particularly at its southern end.
The area around South Gate Bridge (City Side) is an incredible eyesore – one which will of course be developed along with Grand Parade. But the public realm itself leaves a lot to be desired and the whole street could do with an overall- new footpaths, lighting etc. This should be designed to match North Main Street so as to create a distinctive look for this historic spine of the city.
Incidently, work has started on Sth Main Street to replace the railings at Beamish and Crawford- directly in front of the Counting House.@Radioactiveman wrote:
South Main Street. This is the oldest street in Cork City and at the moment is in a terrible condition – particularly at its southern end.
I think this is in the hands of Paul Kenny as well isnt it? if so I am sure he will be slightly busy with Patricks Quay for a while!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Incidently, work has started on Sth Main Street to replace the railings at Beamish and Crawford- directly in front of the Counting House.
(Coming from someone whose front window looks out at the Counting House) thank God for that!
I know the yard at the front of that building is heavily used, but I’ve always thought it was a pity the railings weren’t replaced and the yard made into a small park/garden. It’d show off the Counting House far better. Of course, you’d still have much of the rest of the brewery looking decrepit, particularly from South Main St., but at least it would be an improvement.
I dont know if everyone on this form knows this as i just stumbled acroos a really good site about cork city where there ‘s a huge amount of maps a pictures of the city from the olden years ha .
But they have stuff like a 1545: Plan of Cork city 1 photo
Custom House Yard 2 photo
to the more recent such as the 3photo.
Sample of tidal waterway under city-centre streets. Most of these waterways were culverted in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. This old waterway was exposed near the junction of St Patrick’s Street and Grand Parade during pavement refurbishment in February 2005.
This is actually realy intresting when you think of it as cork was once just small islands criss crossed by the river lee as shown in the first photo and most the streets in the centre island (city centre) have the lee running under it .So here the web site if anyone wants to check it out.
http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/p.s. hope the pictures turn out right first time trying to upload.
+ i’m well looking forward to seeing what the plans are for grand parade specially after joe galvin
said in the echo the other day that he is expecting 4 major retail , office and appartment plans to be lodged within 6 months for grand parade…. mmmmm
An appeal to An Board Pleanala has been lodged against the decision by CCC to allow Frinailla ltd. go ahead with its development at Denehy’s Cross. The development proposes a mix used of 163 no. residential units, along with retail/commercial use. The appeal has been lodged by Communities for Sustainable Development.
@Maskhadov wrote:
what is the appeal for ? the apartments look good to me
the appeal seems to be to keep the site in the state it is now – why dont these people just fly to Berlin where you can have relatively small 3/4 story buildings that look magnificent.
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