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@daniel_7 wrote:
any chance you could get these pics up?anyone have contact detils for the planning office,are they allowed send you out planning applications?
CCC, planning dept. can be contacted at Navigation House, Albert Quay, phone 021 4966222, email planning@corkcity.ie. I think photocopys cost about 20 cent per page
Aer Arann has announced that it will begin two new routes from Cork. A weekly service from Jersey and a three times weekly service to Angers. The new services from Cork to Jersey and Angers in the Loire Valley, France will begin operating on 2nd May 2006. This brings the total number of routes offered by Aer Arann in Cork to 9.
New art space wins Cork competition
The Irish TimesA mirrored box made from reinforced plastic has been chosen as the winner of Cork City Council’s design ideas competition for a mobile performance and exhibition space. Designed by Peter Feeny Architects and 3P Urban Process, London, it was described by the competition jury as “a very elegant proposition” that would cost no more than €750,000 to build. Seventy-three entries were received for the competition, run by the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland. The runners-up were Murray O’Laoire and O’Mahony Pike.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0220/4119500390HM2ARTINBOX.html
I was crawling along traffic yesterday on the ring road in Limerick and got to look at the Quays where the Clarion hotel and the docks road has a lot of new developments – it looked pretty impressive to be fair – Cork could do with taking an example and improving on it!
@kite wrote:
CCC, planning dept. can be contacted at Navigation House, Albert Quay, phone 021 4966222, email planning@corkcity.ie. I think photocopys cost about 20 cent per page
I once asked to copy a small (approx 12 x A4) document in the planning office (Cork City Council) and was told that it would be €10!!! That’s right: 10 Euro!
Apparently that is the minimum charge for photocopying- even if its just one page you’re after. I made a complaint but I dont think much has changed since. So much for “a cost not exceeding that of making a copy”.Re: the John Dennehy quote
While expressed in a rather dumb fashion it is an interesting question – does Cork have adequate fire cover for buildings of county hall size. One would think they do, and if so it removes that issue from the hands of the NIMBYs…
@dowlingm wrote:
Re: the John Dennehy quote
While expressed in a rather dumb fashion it is an interesting question – does Cork have adequate fire cover for buildings of county hall size. One would think they do, and if so it removes that issue from the hands of the NIMBYs…
:confused: My understanding of this matter is that ONE of the reasons the Crows Nest decision has been kicked to touch is that one group that made a submission on that project raised this issue, and asked if planners should be sued if somebody was killed or injured in a fire above the current limits of the Cork fire service.
@kite wrote:
:confused: My understanding of this matter is that ONE of the reasons the Crows Nest decision has been kicked to touch is that one group that made a submission on that project raised this issue, and asked if planners should be sued if somebody was killed or injured in a fire above the current limits of the Cork fire service.
utter rubbish. county hall has been around for years. liberty hall, victoria house among others. scare mongering topsoil. why beat around the bush the group is csd. kite what are your feelings on the group?
but that’s the point pier39. Just because county hall is there doesn’t mean fire cover is too – the CC/Corpo *may* be in breach of their obligations. If they are, it could stymie development across the city.
@pier39 wrote:
utter rubbish. county hall has been around for years. liberty hall, victoria house among others. scare mongering topsoil. why beat around the bush the group is csd. kite what are your feelings on the group?
😉 Now, now ladies put your handbags away, my feelings for the CSD group should be clear from my past posts. I keep an eye on what they are up to on a regular basis (as i do with many other groups), ignore them at your peril?
I read the csd objection in Navigation House with regard to the Crows Nest development, height/fire requirements were an issue in their submission.
Who was it said about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer??
Don’t shoot the messenger pier 39, otherwise we will be playing into their hands.@dowlingm wrote:
but that’s the point pier39. Just because county hall is there doesn’t mean fire cover is too – the CC/Corpo *may* be in breach of their obligations. If they are, it could stymie development across the city.
😎 Thats absolutely right dowlingm, the County Hall was built in a time that an outside toilet and cut up newspaper to wipe the necessary was a luxury, if some unfortunate got injured or burnt to death in that building(County Hall) then it was but down as an act of God….now with people getting 500,000 grand for breaking a fingernail !!…like Bob Dillon said, “The times they are ‘a changing”
Can anyone locate images for the Artbox competition. I took part & would really like to see some projects. There is very little on the web, a selection is on exhibition at Millenium Hall in Cork until 22nd only. I don’t think there is a catalogue.
I would think that indeed the query is a bit of scare mongering in order to satisfy a campaign agenda, however consider that fire services even in places like New York do not possess ladders that extend 80 floors! The question is not so much about equipment, although it is in part a requirement, it is more so abut 2 other factors – building design and training. Cork City Council’s requirement is to facilitate its fire service with the appropriate training to know how to deal with emergencies associated with taller buildings, and in fact, I understand Cork’s Fire Service have been given some training in this field. The real issue is how taller structures are design to handle fire safety issues. Many taller buildings are built around central concrete cores with internally secure stairwells seperated between the various levels with fire-proof door systems. Of course these systems are limited in their capacity, but often very effective and the “trouble” effect associated with buildings of up to 25 storeys is no different to that of say a 5-storey hospital where residents are often disabled, bed-bound or otherwise restricted. Various sections of the hospital divided into containment cells in the event of a fire. With taller buildings these cells can exist as well. I’m not entirely familiar with the Crows Nest design but from what I’ve seen from the photos it seems to be designed around such a core. If questions are being raised about fire safety, its not about ladders and hoses so much…its about training and design. Part of a planning authority’s job is running through such safety requirements with in-house Fire Safety Officers and I do believe Cork’s system is fairly tight knit, requirements are run through various independent agency designed standards like those of Cantwell Keogh and Associates etc etc. Once a building satisfies these issues it should be well beyond acceptability. Corks Fire Service will of course require additional training as time progresses. I understand that buildings like County Hall and Eglington Street for example would have fire safety plans lodged with the city engineer and it will be up to the fire service to familiarise themselves with this. The arguments made about capabilities sounds good but it is somewhat short sighted.
if a citys development and potential for decently designed buildings is decreed to by how good the fire brigade are, its time to give up.
@Pug wrote:
if a citys development and potential for decently designed buildings is decreed to by how good the fire brigade are, its time to give up.
These ignorant careerist politicians should be sent to Manhattan,London,Singapore etc………and see how long their careers last…..and their opinions derided in the rest of the developed world.
Bring on the election.to pom, pug and saucy jack – ditto! its funny how these politicians and lobbyists snake bite so called ‘opportunists’ (so called) when their actions are the most evidently opportunist of all.
🙂 It seems those of you who have looked forward to seeing Paul Kenny’s highly acclaimed The Treasury building for St. Patrick’s Quay come to life may indeed be smiling with word that the project is to see construction within 4 to 6 months, with office space set to be pitched – as previously noted – to private sector occupiers. Originally intent for Revenue Commissioner usage, the proposal will be realised following its grant from ABP ending speculation that the project may have set aside in light of the failed Revenue bid. Optimistic market conditions will undoubtedly encouraged Mr. Kenny’s intentions. The Treasury will be pitched to private occupiers looking for a landmark premises at the heart of Cork’s emerging commercial core and stylishly linking the propsective redevelopment of Cork’s Northern Docklands with the established city centre. The new cellular and open plan offices which will be located across 2 linked buildings, varying in heights of 4 and 6-storeys, will also be opted for usage as call or administration centres. Tenders are expected to be issued for contracting work soon with a hoped start date somewhere between June and August of 2006. The new project will add powerfully to Cork’s quaysides and provide a dynamic addition to the Kenny Group and Wilson Architecture portfolios.
See here.
@altuistic wrote:dont know if I would say that. I personally feel the Dennehys Cross design looks very well. Its sharp angular profile looks most well, very defined. The Sherphers convent look seems very slight.
I think part of the purpose of the Good Shepherds design is not to overwhelm or detract from the historic convent buildings. In this sense, the design is actually a most considered design – it recognises its relation to the George Ashlin buildings and rather than make a bold, loud statement which tries to compete with the convent structures, it takes a more humble, simplistic note while utilising little touches here and there to assert its own innovation.
More exciting news expected before the weekend. All going well.Dose anyone have any images of the sculpture that was put up outside the City Quarter development? I read about it in the Echo but the pictures weren’t much good. While I’m typing about sculptures I may as well ask about the new sculpture in the Cork university hospital. I read that a fine sculpture called Firefly was errected there. Any pics?
@lexington wrote:
🙂 It seems those of you who have looked forward to seeing Paul Kenny’s highly acclaimed The Treasury building for St. Patrick’s Quay come to life may indeed be smiling with word that the project is to be constructed within 4 to 6 months, with office space set to be pitched – as previously noted – to private sector occupiers. Originally intent for Revenue Commissioner usage, the proposal will be realised following its grant for ABP.
See here.
More exciting news expected before the weekend. All going well.Excellent news as I was thinking of the staus of the project when I passed early this morning.
As similar type of scheme could also be realised for the Penrose Wharf buildings fronting on to Penrose quay.😎 Charles & Helen McCarthy have seen their plans to redevelop the Mill Business Centre at a sensitive site on Crosses Green approved. In late 2004, the McCarthy’s originally applied for a 7-storey hotel proposal on some 96-bedrooms on the same site – this was later granted with a reduction of 2 floors and a revised room figure of 64. The latest plan envisages a new office development, 5-storey over basement car-parking for 15 vehicles, and encompassing some 50,000sq ft of mostly open-plan space. As with the previous proposal, Derek Tynan & Associates, also responsible for the Victoria Mills and Gate Multiplex schemes, have been retained for realising a design on the project. Largely similar to the original hotel proposal, the office building features a cubic structure with black limestone elevational treatments. The parapet height has been increased by 0.5m and window features to the southern elevation have been extended. A submission by An Taisce noted their concerns the proposal would effect on the vista east-to-west of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral along the River Lee’s South Channel.
😮 UCC have received the all clear to extend their Bioscineces Institute Building by some 1505sq m. The 7-storey extension will allow for further office and laboratory accommodation and will apply to the northern elevation of the building, located to the west on the grounds of Aras na Laoi, which was constructed between 2000 and 2001. Again, Murray O’Laoire Architects have been charged with the design. The original building was constructed by PJ Hegarty & Sons Limited.
🙂 Considerable interest has been afforded the RH Parker (Cork Timber, Slate and Concrete) site along Kyrl’s Quay which extendeds to approx. 20,000sq ft (0.5 acres) and is up for sale through auctioneers Dominic Daly. The site could form part of a larger site assembly and is primed for redevelopment on what is a prime and prominent city centre location – one which was subject to a highly successful redevelopment design competition held in conjunction with the RIAI and Cork City Council (CCC). Indeed CCC are also significant land holders in this area and have indicated a willingness to dialogue with interested parties who seek to provide the city with a landmark redevelopment. Briefs in the design competition requirements called for features which included elements of significant height so as to mask the North Main Street Multi-storey car-park to the south. Any development should also provide for a gateway feature at the junction of Cornmarket Street (facing the new Shandon Bridge), public space and ideally make use of its water-frontage. A new development proposal should have active dynamics at both day and night times so as to give the quayside a sense of life. Discussions could also engage the Department of Justice so as to relocate their Garda operation at Bridewell whilst incoporating the station structure itself. It will be interesting to see how this potential redevelopment is realised. The design competition was won by Conroy Architecture, but that does not necessarily limit independent design options. Other entrants in the competition included the likes of HTD Studios (Mallow) and MacCurtain Street-based Kiosk Architects (see below):
The eye-catching Kiosk Architects entry in the Kyrl’s Quay design competition.
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