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I must say I’m delighted at the prospect of the miserable Metropole Hotel block is being replaced. I can only hope the replacement is a far sight more attractive than the current odious brick. As for the rest of the quay i know those surface car parks you are talking about Saucyjack and i agree they have to potential to provide something very pleasant. Hopefully soon we wont have to gaze upon the dirty grey backs of aging buildings on McCurtain Street from Patricks street.
As for Ballincollig shopping centre. I took my first visit there earlier today and on my trip spent most of my time in traffic trying to get to it. As a community shopping facility i think it works quite fine as I dont think it was meant to compete with somewhere like Mahonpoint but rather to serve the quickly emerging population around it. Ballincollig needed something like that. All the same theres nothing there that would make me want to choose travelling there over a trip to Wilton or town which are both closer to me and dont involve endless waits in traffic queus.
Last weekend I visit Mahonpoint there as well I had to endured endless traffic lines. However once inside i have to say I’ve growing slowly warm to the place, sure it is very Americanized and very streamlined but its wide, spacious and its clear a lot of attention has gone into fitting the interior (and may not so much the exterior). I took my first trip to the cinema in about 2 years at the cinema complex there and must say it is a fine job but perhaps lacks the charm of those institutions at the Savoy or at Winthrop street or even the Capital cinema in its earlier days.I’ll be honest, beyond one or two projects – such as the Evelina Children’s Hospital (interestingly, which was used as a comparitive in the planning application for Paul Kenny’s Treasury development along Patrick’s Quay by Wilson Architecture) and Wildscreen in Bristol, my familiarity with Hopkins Architects was limited. I’ve been looking into the practice increasingly so and I have to say, I’m impressed!
Hmmm, interesting! 😉
Well worth a look – any opinions?
Visit: http://www.hopkins.co.uk
That site is really well done. I don’t like the GEK Headquarters building in Athens. But, I really like the library building in Norwich. Really innovative and modern.
@phatman wrote:
Alot of people care if there are big names or not, simply put people aren’t going to be willing to travel if there isn’t the incentive or the attraction. And seeing as there is a sizeable catchment, and one which is set to grow alot, coupled with much improved access, I for one am surprised at the mediocrity of the tenant list. If i wanted everyday basics i wouldnt shop outside of Dunnes…looking for a bit more than that.
Fair enough, name the shops your think that should be there and how feasible would they be for a place like Ballincollig?
Lexington, you know the way you said they were going to extend the shopping centre northwards, well isn’t the multi-storey carpark and apartments in the way. U have any plans/photos of the extension of how the extension well look, so as to visualise it. Thanks
@iloveCORK2 wrote:
Fair enough, name the shops your think that should be there and how feasible would they be for a place like Ballincollig?
Lexington, you know the way you said they were going to extend the shopping centre northwards, well isn’t the multi-storey carpark and apartments in the way. U have any plans/photos of the extension of how the extension well look, so as to visualise it. Thanks
Well there’s obviously the footfall and the business if there’s a shopping centre of such a size there in the first place. Let’s face it, it’s a high profile development. For a start, I think i speak on behalf of everyone when i express disappointment at the presence of Dunnnes instead of Marks ‘n Sparks, as was initally speculated. If Marks saw the centre as a feasible prospect, then i think my point is somewhat proved. I would have liked to see more high-end fashion retailers present, maybe HMV or Virgin as the music stores, better restaurant/fast food elements etc, but maybe in the future.
😎 Quinlan Private, as part of a larger €103m acquisition of property assets put on the market by KBC Asset Management, has acquired the retail premises occupied by Argos (part of what was formerly the Queen’s Old Castle Centre) at Daunt Square, the junction between the western end of Patrick’s Street and Grand Parade. The remaining properties as part of the deal are centred around Dublin and include the likes of Oldbrook House on the Lower Pembroke Road and Block P6 of the Eastpoint Business Park.
@iloveCORK2 wrote:Lexington, you know the way you said they were going to extend the shopping centre northwards, well isn’t the multi-storey carpark and apartments in the way. U have any plans/photos of the extension of how the extension well look, so as to visualise it. Thanks
I think we may have got our wires crossed – I was referring to Mahon Point SC. Designs there, as best I am aware, have yet to be realised entirely. Movement on that was posited at 2009, so it’s somewhat off yet.
The Ballincollig S.C. expansion is earmarked for the west, sorry, on a siet beyond the existing surface car-park. An application for that is about 5 months away, pending. 🙂
As regards to Ballincollig, I think I have to agree with phatman. Almost all of our suburban shopping centres are the same. There’s a Dunnes, a Sasha and a crappy music shop. I don’t see anything wrong with shopping centres wanting to attract new stores. Thats why I’m so happy that Esprit are in Douglas. There new and different, and thats why Mahon Point was such a big hit…. Debenhams and Zara, not Dunnes and Sasha.
😉 Developers Paul O’Brien (Mount Kennett Investments) and John Costello have withdrawn their planning application for the redevelopment of the recently closed Capitol Cineplex on Grand Parade. The project was designed by Sabine Wittman’s Dungarvan-based The e-Project. The withdrawal now adds fuel to the fire of speculation that investor Joe O’Donovan and a group of other smaller investors, who have recently been active in a series of property acquisitions along Grand Parade, St. Patrick’s Street and Oliver Plunkett Street – are now seeking to incorporate the valuable Capitol Cineplex site into a propsective scheme which will likely house a large higher-order retail scheme, perhaps some limited residential elements and other commercial features. Other acquisitions by the investors are understood to have included 50 Patrick’s Street and adjoining premises, the Oyster Tavern on Market Lane (and neighbouring units), the Central Shoe Stores on Grand Parade (rumoured to have been sold not so long ago for a whopping €14.5m and there is speculation that the Qube complex on Oliver Plunkett Street sold for circa €10m. A prospective proposal could well seek to delicately incorporate The English Market (as with some major European developments which have carefully adjoined traditional markets). The possibility of the Capitol Cineplex premises incorporated into the proposal would now offer the developers a chance to provide a major contemporary frontage onto Grand Parade and an unrivalled vista down the length of Washington Street. The facility has scope to comfortably house a new city centre department store such as the likes of Arnotts or even the John Lewis Partnership who have been actively assessing Irish expansion opportunities.
Also see:
1. https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=39356&postcount=475
2. https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=41409&highlight=Joe+O%27Donovan#post41409
*UPDATES*🙂 O’Flynn Construction have been granted their appeal subject to revised conditions regarding the contest of development fee contributions cited as part of their successful permission for the Eglinton Street development. The Board found favour to amend Condition 24 which concerned a contested calculation of development fees. Construction on Eglinton Street is now expected to commence in early 2006.
😎 Dairygold Co-Op’s property developmemt wing, Alchemy Properties has been granted permission by CorkCoCo for the phased demolition of Dairygold Co-operative store, the provision of temporary cladding to part of the existing store, construction of temporary road, temporary external storage area, construction of a 4Home DIY store, ancillary offices, staff facilities, garden centre, external generator and compactor, ESB substation, car parking and all ancillary site works all at their premises along the Cork Road in Midelton.Additionally the company was also granted permission on a seperate application for the same site for a retail development consisting of 4 no. retail warehouse units.
😎 Dunnes Stores have been permitted on appeal, the development of a new ‘town centre’ development for Carrigaline comprising of a supermarket (3,007sq m), new public library (382sq m) and 3 additional retail units all at a site in Kilnaglery. The proposal was appealed by 3 parties including Barry Collins who owns the busy SuperValu operation in the town centre and who is planning a large-scale town centre development with The Shipton Group’s Clayton Love Jnr, under the special purpose vehicle Piton Properties.lexington wrote:]presumably though Clayton love wont move on Carrigaline for a while if he is concentrating on revamping Douglas?
@Pug wrote:
presumably though Clayton love wont move on Carrigaline for a while if he is concentrating on revamping Douglas?
now that Douglas has been brought up what is the current situation with this?? is construction due to start any time soon or is it still in the planning phase?
@Leesider wrote:
now that Douglas has been brought up what is the current situation with this?? is construction due to start any time soon or is it still in the planning phase?
Are you referring to the ‘town centre’ development by The Shipton Group?
Planning already exists on Douglas Village S.C. for a substantial redevelopment, designed by Wilson Architecture, which will facilitate increased retail space and a multi-storey car-park so as to allow and new east-west routeway and alleviate many of the rancid traffic concerns facing Douglas.
However, this will likely see some alteration and allowance for a link-up with the redevelopment site constituent of the former Permanent TSB premises, Cinema World premises, Shell Petrol Station and the green site to the east of Cinema World. Douglas Court S.C., also in the possession of The Shipton Group, will benefit from a link-up to the remainder development plans. Bowen Construction are also understood to be on-board with the scheme. As best I am aware, issues are being ironed out with Cork County Manager Maurice Moloney and CCC, with a planning application scheduled within the prospective future – so in answer, construction on the overall scheme is a bit away I’m afraid.
Cork is embarking on a phase of expansion and renewal – some describing it as the most exciting revival of the city in modern times. As a location to develop and invest, the likes of Mark Fitzgerald (CEO of Sherry FitzGerald Group) are hailing it as having the potential to represent one of the best urban revival operations in Europe. Fintan Tierney of DTZ Sherry FitzGerald has earmarked Cork as one of the best investment opportunities in the country. Hamilton Osbourne King’s Paul McNeive has noted his company’s commitment to the city citing it’s intention to be at the cusp of what offers the company and its clients one of the best operational opportunities available. The confidence in the city and metropolitan area has been reflected by moves from major construction companies like Michael McNamara Construction, Coffey Construction, PJ Walls and arrivals expected soon by the likes of Laing O’Rourke (who are investigating setting up its first regional office outside of Dublin in Cork city) and P. Elliot, whose expansion south to Nenagh is seen as a happy-medium to take advantage of southern opportunities but with one company insider noting, Cork is very much on the long-term list. Major design practices have moved in to the city in recent times like Scott Tallon Walker, O’Mahony Pike and Henry J. Lyons & Partners. And too developers not traditionally active in the Cork region are involving or soon to involve in exciting projects over the coming future. CSO predictions cite the Cork region is in a position to take advantage of a population spurt of anywhere up to 100,000 by 2015. All in all, the forecast looks good – with perhaps the biggest threat lurking in the shadows of property value inflation. So all this progress is positive news – but as the city embarks on this revival path, it now has to consider how it intends to distinguish itself as an individual city and character…much of this can be achieved through good, considerate design. Are we there yet? No, not at all, but we now have an opportunity to get there.
The historical humdrum nature of development activity in Cork has never really offered it the chance to establish a unique character in the modern age – up until about 2002, new structure formation failed to kick into the frequency it is now starting to enjoy…the biggest redevelopment challeges now stand ahead. To date, there has been some success and some, well, not so successful projects in emergence. Cork needs to develop a distinctly Corkonian character in the prospective design of its new buildings but one which is not afraid to interpret new ideas and architectural approaches. A distinct ‘character’ (and of course opinion will vary) does not mean monotonously repetitive design layouts, but rather designs which utilises facets of the city’s history, culture, people and surroundings (i.e. river, natural materials etc) as inspirations for their realisation. It is in realising such features that Cork can be pitched with a unique flavour to prospective investors, employers, businesses, residents and so on with a strong leg to stand on. In seeking out this ‘character’ represented through our buildings, we should not be afraid to explore new avenues of design and utilise the various offerings of different approaches to provide new ways of realising this identity – regardless of height, usage or location, the opportunity to ascertain and develop this identity remains. Does this mean there is no room for other influences? Certainly not, but as I said, individual character does not mean restriction to any one architectural discipline or style. We should strive to build on the highest existing standards – and by doing so, incorporate these new standards as immediately recognisable facets of the character which we seek to build.
Are the buildings below stepping stones toward creating an individual architectural identity in the modern age for Cork???
Eglinton Street – designed by Wilson Architecture
Phase 1 of Camden Court – designed by James Leahy & Associates
Coppinger Court – designed by Magee Creedon Architects(P.S.: I’m not stating ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to the designs posted above, nor am I implying a vantage one way or the other regarding them – they are simpy posted for deliberation. Any other examples are most welcome.)
i saw that in de paper
looks horrific
the vista into the city from tivoli will be destroyed
will it go ahead
is there a way to object
i thought there was a plan for a walkway areound to the marina from blackrock castle@lexington wrote:
🙂 Sean Keohane’s Grangfield Developments are to lodge plans in conjunction with the Cork Boat Club for 119 apartments units over basement car-parking for 121 vehicles. The building will range between 3 and 5-storeys and is to be located on a 1.3 hectare site at Blackrock Harbour and on the premises of the Cork Boat Club which will be demolished allowing for the provision of a new club complex and floating pontoon, as part of the larger development. Also as part of the development, a new public boardwalk is to be provided and a 3-storey office building of 113sq m. Of the 119 apartments there will be 18 x 1-bedroom, 95 x 2-bedroom and 6 x 3-bedroom units – with balcones and roof-garden areas. The proposal will also seek to reclaim 1,954sq m of public foreshore,
@garret wrote:
i saw that in de paper
looks horrific
the vista into the city from tivoli will be destroyed
will it go ahead
is there a way to object
i thought there was a plan for a walkway areound to the marina from blackrock castleThe application has yet to be subjected to the planning process, therefore, at this stage there is no indication as to which direction a decision will go. The proposal was, however, subject to extensive preplanning discussions.
A masterplan draft is being prepared by Cork City Council for the enhancement of the Blackrock Harbour area which, as I understand will include waterfront amenity provision the likes I believe you may be referring to.
re proposed apartments on the river lee at blackrock village
does anyone know the name of a good planning consultant who would help me to formulate an objection?
Is the timing of the application a coincidence??The OPW have indicated their intention to announce the successful Revenue Commissioners tenancy bid for next week. The contest has been a long and tough one with some good proposals forwarded. The likes of The Shipton Group, Kenny Group and McCarthy Developments had all forwarded pitches, however, in the end only 2 proposals came down to the final tie with a proposal set for the former ‘Susie’s Field’ quarry off Assumption Road in Blackpool, now looking set to bring home the ‘trophy’. Ascon Rohcon Limited who have championed a planning permission attained by auctioneer/developers Joe Carey & Frank Sheahan are claiming to be dead-cert in having attained Revenue Commissioner tenancy. The subject proposal attained permission in July 2003 following a lengthy planning process beginning back in 2001. Designed by Jack Coughlan & Associates, the scheme was granted with permission for 397 basement car-parking spaces over 2 decks and 13,511sq m of additional commercial space of which the bulk is open plan office space. A provision of 250sq m of retail space will be made for local services use. The new building will extend to 4-floors over the basement car-parking with the structure’s profile generally aligning with the quarry slopes.
Susie’s Field site indicated in purple. Not shown is the new link road between the Blackpool By-Pass and Pope’s Road which also graces the western periphery of the site.If Theo Cullinane (of Ascon) is endorsed by the OPW announcement next week, it will mean up to 600 of the Revenue Commissioners staff will leave Sullivans Quay in the city centre and travel to the northern suburb breaches. Should the case be verified, construction on the project is likely to commence early in 2006. It will mean the loss of McCarthy Developments contestancy who provided a highly attractive docklands alternative of 8-storeys along Centre Park Road, designed by Murray O’Laoire (see below). As part of the deal, Ascon Rohcon & Joe Carey/Frank Sheahan will also acquire the valuable 0.75acre Government Buildings site at Sullivans Quay which, subject to some site foundation modifications, is capable of providing a landmark commercial scheme which would have adequate scope for a new city centre cinema facility (in lieu of the Capitol Cineplex closure and its prospective redevelopment see here -> https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=43573&postcount=1128). Any redevelopment of Sullivans Quay will demand a superb architectural standard utilising the exceptional vista afforded down the soon-to-be renewed Grand Parade (designed by Beth Gali & Associates).
Also on the subject of Ascon Rohcon, who are now pushing further into development activity in Cork city centre, the group are linked to a holding on Albert Quay which adjoins the recently purchased Doyle Warehousing facility (0.5acres) sold recently to Howard Holdings for an estimated €9m to €10m.
Paul Kenny’s proposal, designed by Wilson Architecture – no longer in the RC bid running.
McCarthy Developments’ Centre Park Road proposal designed by Murray O’Laoire.It is unfortunate that the 2 proposals depicted in the images above have not attained RC tenancy, from a city centre urban renewal perspective. However, does this mean the projects are lost entirely? Not necessarily. McCarthy Developments, who hold full planning on their proposal, may yet decide to proceed with it on a more ‘independent’ basis – as for the Kenny proposal, a number of options remain with this scheme, including a phased development or change of use of certain elements to create a more mixed use approach – should its appeal prove successful. :confused:
Seems like interesting news for Blackpool. Maybe Joe Gavin was right- in 10 years time, we’ll all want to live there! Any mages of the ‘possible’ RC building?
I think i know the site. Any chance of a map though?Is there intended to be a commuter rail stop in Blackpool? I know it’ll be in the railway order wherever that will be published, but has any locationed been mentioned to date?
Also, theres a piece in todays Irish Times about the pharma plant being rumoured for Carrigtwohill – Amgen is the named party, and the figure of 1.3bn is mentioned as an investment. Apparently a preliminary decision has been made to go with the Cork location, and a final decision is expected ‘early next month’.
@Aidan wrote:
Also, theres a piece in todays Irish Times about the pharma plant being rumoured for Carrigtwohill – Amgen is the named party, and the figure of 1.3bn is mentioned as an investment. Apparently a preliminary decision has been made to go with the Cork location, and a final decision is expected ‘early next month’.
That’s right Aidan – I commented on the pharma proposal back in post #1023 here -> https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=42697&postcount=1023
@lexington wrote:
A €1bn euro investment into a massive, state-of-the-art pharmaceutical manufacturing facility is earmarked for a site near Carrigtwohill, only a few minutes drive from the city and located near the N25 “Midelton” Dual-Carriageway. Negotiations are finalising with the IDA at present, and if successful, the proposal (one of the largest single pharmaceutical investments in the State) may create up to 500 jobs. The identity beind the massive plan has not yet been revealed, however, according to a prominent and well-respected source within the existing pharmaceutical industry around Cork Harbour, informed speculation cites Wyeth Pharma as the name behind the proposal. More details when they emerge.
It will be a great boost for Cork and will have a foot in the bio-logics area. My understanding now is that it is simply a matter of ironing out the details with the IDA ahead of a formal announcement.
As for the Blackpool Railway stop, the focus is set on the former Kilbarry Station, north-east across the road from Blackpool S.C. I understand movement to start being made on the location mid-2006 (all things going well) – and may include a larger development elements. Speculation was ripe that the Shipton Group may develop the site to include a full-integrated stop as part of a scheme likely to include small retail, cafe provision and some other elements I’m not too sure on. The station would link to the S.C. nearby – by pedestrian bridge(???). Essentially the scheme would be funded privately with public benefit afforded in decent rail access to metropolitan and city centre/docklands Cork from Blackpool. Not quite sure how that plan is working out, but either way the project has been prioritised by CCC as noted in their November 2005 Economic Monitor.
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