developments in cork
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- November 30, 2005 at 1:45 am #758573
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Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
There was a good article in yesterday’s Irish Examiner regarding the rising number of vacant or even derelict retail units on St. Patrick Street, Cork. Up to 15, depending who you talk to!
This is something which has been commented on by many contributors to this thread. I know, you can discount some units which are awaiting redevelopment as part of massive ‘shopping-centre’ type developments, but some are also being priced off the market- certainly for smaller, Irish company’s.
As the articel put it, the landlord’s are at risk of killing the goose that laid their golden egg!
The spawning of two “christmas shops” at the western end of the Street is an embarressment to the city and a street which was so highly praised in recent weeks.you really should learn to use the apostrophe correctly! see above
November 30, 2005 at 1:55 am #758574lexington
Participant🙂 Forgot to mention that Oyster Developments have issued Further Information on their Phase 1 project for Deane Street – which was to consist of a 7-storey office building designed by The e-Project (believe it or not, David Crowe’s development company originally planned a 16-storey landmark tower!). The building will adjoin Phase 2 – which includes the renovation and change of use at No.8 Parnell Place (PS) to further office space over 4 levels; this phase has already received planning and received a temporary scare when CIE sought leave to appeal, but was ultimately denied. CIE is keeping its options open about a future redevelopment on its Bus Station premises along Anderson’s Quay (which adjoins the subject site). More details on the Further Information hopefully by the week end. Images are posted below of the proposal as originally submitted. A decision is due on December 14th 2005.
@yorktown wrote:With perhaps the worst car parking……..just because these buildings are public facilities does not mean that they should be allowed to impact on the surrounding areas like they do due to overflow car parking.
Sorry, the Mercy University Hospital takes the biscuit on that one…what parking???!!!! ]you really should learn to use the apostrophe correctly! [/QUOTE]
The same could be said for your use (or lack thereof) of capital letters! 😀 Only messing anto. 😉
(Or my use/abuse of ‘smile’ icons!)
November 30, 2005 at 2:01 am #758575Radioactiveman
Participant@anto wrote:
you really should learn to use the apostrophe correctly! see above
I see someone has been reading their Lynn Truss! Either that or you have way too much time on your hands and really should get out more 🙂
p.s. I also spelt article wrong- the shame!!November 30, 2005 at 2:14 am #758576A-ha
ParticipantI read in the Echo today that a Water Bus might soon be arriving in the Lee to attract touists to the city centre. It will turn from being a normal bus into a boat when it drives into the river, like ones found in Liverpool and Boston. It sounds like a good idea and it would be another tourist attraction for Cork.
November 30, 2005 at 2:17 am #758577A-ha
ParticipantClick on the link to see a similar type of water bus that may soon be arriving in Cork.
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November 30, 2005 at 2:40 am #758578anto
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
I see someone has been reading their Lynn Truss! Either that or you have way too much time on your hands and really should get out more 🙂
p.s. I also spelt article wrong- the shame!!yeah you’re right i do need to get out more!
November 30, 2005 at 2:45 am #758579anto
ParticipantAnybody see the “Buning of Cork” on RTE last night? The Tans burnt down Patrick Street and its environs about 5 acres overall. City hall was burnt too. One thing they didn’t mention was that Patrick street was rebuilt very well. Some of the street’s most handsome buildings date from the reconstruction. Good job it didn’t happen in the 60s, Can you imagine the muck that would have been thrown up!
November 30, 2005 at 2:56 am #758580lexington
Participant@anto wrote:
Anybody see the “Buning of Cork” on RTE last night? The Tans burnt down Patrick Street and its environs about 5 acres overall. City hall was burnt too. One thing they didn’t mention was that Patrick street was rebuilt very well. Some of the street’s most handsome buildings date from the reconstruction. Good job it didn’t happen in the 60s, Can you imagine the muck that would have been thrown up!
Indeed – my stomach spins at the thought. Thankfully the likes of…
…Brown Thomas

and Grants…

…rose from the ashes.
Now…if we could just swing a nice refurbishmnt of Grants, we’d b set. I previously outlined an idea to restructure the buildings interior as a means of providing additional retail space and making all levels of the building a living and breathing entity – with delicate conservation efforts applied to the exterior. Of all the important buildings along Patrick’s Street, Grants is the one I would list as a priority for renewal. What a shame. 🙁
November 30, 2005 at 3:22 am #758581Radioactiveman
ParticipantI also think Penney’s is a beautiful building dating from post-fire Cork:

as is this little gem… can’t remember the name of the sweet shop that was here before everything went the way of the mobile phone shop!

and agreed lexington, Grants is badly in need of refurbishment- so much under-utilised space. Any chance of it being included in the proposed Brog/Capital/Patrick St, development?

For those interested, here’s a map of Cork City Centre showing the buildings destroyed on the night. You can match those to the present day buildings. Agreed – thank God it happened in the 20’s and not the 60’s.
Conal Creedon should be congratulated on a great documentary.
November 30, 2005 at 11:54 am #758582lisam
ParticipantThat sweet shop was called Cudmores.
I thought this thread was about Cork Architecture & development, not about using the correct spelling or punctuation!
November 30, 2005 at 12:08 pm #758583pier39
Participant@lisam wrote:
That sweet shop was called Cudmores.
what a place! i lost many a tooth to that institution. my smashed-window smile is a testament to their good work.
November 30, 2005 at 12:33 pm #758584lexington
Participant
The final decision on appeal of the highly-anticipated Water Street project had been expected today – after an initial delay in the scheduled decision which was due for November 24th 2005 – the decision date was pushed forward, however it is unlikely that it will be realised on schedule. The Board were expected to issue a decision on the McMahon Family controlled Werdna Limited’s 304-unit apartment proposal, which will also include approx. 30,000sq ft of business & technology uses, commercial/community service elements, a new waterfront promenade and 478 basement car-parking spaces. Designed by Murray O’Laoire, the original Water Street proposal sought over 500-units and a feature 26-storey tower, however on initial planning a 400 unit scheme with 19-storey feature tower was proposed – just in advance of a planning decision, Werdna withdrew their application on the indication of CCC that it would be refused. The scheme was reapplied for in February 2005 following substantial discussion with CCC – this time, a 304-unit scheme was proposed with 17-storey tower (@ 58m) and reorganised layout. Without any request for Further Information, the scheme was more than halved through condition in a highly controversial planning decision which ultimately led to appeal on both a 1st Party basis by Werdna as well as a further contest by the Lower Glanmire Road Residents Association. The appeal endured a 2-day Oral Hearing at the Gresham Metropole on MacCurtain Street where arguments for and against the €70m development were aired by all parties involved. Planning Inspector David Dunne resided over the hearing and his report is now a matter for the Board at ABP. Although a decision was envisaged for issue today, with confirmation of the decision tomorrow – it is likely that the Board will again seek clarification on some issues at hand before deliberation. This may see yet another delay in the final due date.
The project design was head-up by Sean Kearns with Murray O’Laoire.
John Crean acted as planning consultant with Cunnane Strattan Reynolds.
Mark McMahon heads up Werdna Developments Limited.All the best! 😉
November 30, 2005 at 12:59 pm #758585POM
ParticipantReading the report for the Frinilla Blackpool development I am curious as to how Mr. Dunne will deliberate on Water Street. Hopefully sense will prevail.
any thoughts?
November 30, 2005 at 1:15 pm #758586Radioactiveman
ParticipantWell some would argue (including me) that Mr. Dunne was right on the money with his Blackpool/Frinailla report- hopefully he’ll do the right thing with Water St. (personally I’m in two minds about it so I’ll leave it up to someone who knows whet he’s doing ) and what ever decision he reccomends- let’s hope The Board will stand by their man!
November 30, 2005 at 1:23 pm #758587anto
ParticipantInteresting that the rebuilding of Cork’s Patrick street and Dublin’s O’ Connell street was so successful considering that the economy must have been a shambles after the wars
The economy of Cork in the 80s was also in crisis and we get Merchants Quay!
btw how did Cork allow Burger King and McDonald’s occupy such prominent buildings on Patrick Street. Then again, could be worse, could be O’Connell street in Dublin!
November 30, 2005 at 2:34 pm #758588lexington
Participant😎 BrideView Developments have received planning on their O’Mahony Pike Architects designed proposal for Lakeview House & Estate in Midelton. As proposed, the project included 429 no. dwelling units comprising of 101 no.dwellinghouses, 328 no. apartments over 1 to 5 storeys, 24 bed nursing home, creche with outdoor multi-use games area, 2 no. tennis courts, football pitch as well as basement and surface car parking. However, some alterations have been made to the granted proposal including reductions. The Lakeview Estate was purchased in 2004 by Declan O’Mahony for BrideView Developments at the cost of an estimated €19m. Perhaps the grant will offer some consolation to the recent refusal by ABP for BVD’s other project off the South Ring Road near Rochestown and which did comprise of 106 apartment units over a single building ranging in height from 3 to 5-storeys.
😎 William Horgan has lodged plans with Cork County Council for (a) Construction of two storey office block (block 1) comprising for 4 no. self contained offices for high technology/enterprise works ancillary to the existing and proposed light industrial units, (b) refurbishments of 2 no. existing warehousing units (blocks 2 & 3) and the existing weigh bridge (c) demolition of shed and construction of 14 no. high technology/light industrial incubator units in 3 no. blocks (blocks 4, 5 & 6) all at the Lee Warehousing premises at Brooklodge in Glanmire.November 30, 2005 at 2:36 pm #758589jungle
ParticipantIf the Water St. appeal is successful, is it the original or the revised proposals that would be built? To my mind the original was better.
November 30, 2005 at 4:51 pm #758590-Donnacha-
Participantvery good point on the rebuilding of pana anto……the 1920s and 1930s were very difficult in economic terms yet we still managed to rebuild the street very successfully..
November 30, 2005 at 4:54 pm #758591lexington
Participant@jungle wrote:
If the Water St. appeal is successful, is it the original or the revised proposals that would be built? To my mind the original was better.
The application lodged Feburary 2005 – i.e. the 304 unit proposal. Indeed I did like the original 400 unit, 2004 scheme myself – but should the outcome be successful, it is the former which will proceed.
November 30, 2005 at 5:33 pm #758592d_d_dallas
ParticipantDid funding not come from British Parliament to rebuild the commercial buildings?
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