developments in cork
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- November 23, 2005 at 2:08 pm #758533
rodger
ParticipantRM.Many people view this thread as a well informed and knowledgeable point of reference.It is important that all posts here are of a factual nature and are represented correctly to ensure the credibility and integrity of the other members.
Thats all I have to say thanks.
November 23, 2005 at 2:59 pm #758534anto
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
See post above rodger… try not to get too smart about it ]Rear[/B] of new Pharmacy building during construction.

Yeah, not great. Don’t like all those swing out windows either,
November 23, 2005 at 5:11 pm #758535lexington
Participant๐ A รขโยฌ1bn euro investment into a massive, state-of-the-art pharmaceutical manufacturing facility is earmarked for a site near Carrigtwohill, only a few minutes drive from the city and located near the N25 “Midelton” Dual-Carriageway. Negotiations are finalising with the IDA at present, and if successful, the proposal (one of the largest single pharmaceutical investments in the State) may create up to 500 jobs. The identity beind the massive plan has not yet been revealed, however, according to a prominent and well-respected source within the existing pharmaceutical industry around Cork Harbour, informed speculation cites Wyeth Pharma as the name behind the proposal. More details when they emerge.
๐ฎ Tomorrow could be a notable day in terms of Cork development – the scheduled appeal decision for Werdna’s highly-anticpated proposal for Water Street, designed by Murray O’Laoire, is expected for tomorrow (Thursday 24th Novemeber 2005) – however, as well many of you know, the decision may flux in its final deliberation date. The planning process has been an epic one for the project and hopes are high that a successful outcome will prevail.
๐ฎ Also scheduled for decision (CCC) tomorrow is Frinailla’s plans for Dennehy’s Cross designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects. The proposal seeks to develop 163 high-quality units over a triple deck basement car-park and extensive local service amenities. 23 submissions have been made regarding the proposal and planner Gwen Jordan may yet request Further Information.
๐ฎ John Cleary Developments plans for a 130,000sq ft 5-storey office and retail development at the former Sifco premises near Mahon Point has seen its scheduled decision date pushed back by CCC until the 30th January 2006, no submissions rest against the Coughlan de Keyser designed scheme.
๐ And just one point, a media report today implied that a publication of a letter in it’s newspaper by the Cork/Kerry regions only serving Consultant Oncologist was the moving factor in pushing forward Cancer Treatment facility funding. Indeed the Taoiseach did reiterate the funding had been made – however funding for the new 6-storey Renal/Cardiac Unit at Cork University Hospital designed by Watkins Gray International and which will include a 30-bed oncology unit actually saw the required รขโยฌ47m cleared approximately 2 weeks ago (re: senior CUH management and the HSE). BreastCheck unit funding for the South Infirmary was also cleared with a รขโยฌ7m value in recent days.
Renal/Cardiac Unit for CUHNovember 23, 2005 at 6:10 pm #758536lexington
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
Rear of new Pharmacy building during construction.

In fairness, that image is outdated somewhat and the building’s front (southern) elevation facing College Road is a fair deal more pleasant. That said, STW have done better and so have UCC.
November 23, 2005 at 6:13 pm #758537-Donnacha-
Participant@lexington wrote:
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๐ And just one point, a media report today implied that a publication of a letter in it’s newspaper by the Cork/Kerry regions only serving Consultant Oncologist was the moving factor in pushing forward Cancer Treatment facility funding. Indeed the Taoiseach did reiterate the funding had been made – however funding for the new 6-storey Renal/Cardiac Unit at Cork University Hospital designed by Watkins Gray International and which will include a 30-bed oncology unit actually saw the required รขโยฌ47m cleared approximately 2 weeks ago (re: senior CUH management and the HSE). BreastCheck unit funding for the South Infirmary was also cleared with a รขโยฌ7m value in recent days.
Renal/Cardiac Unit for CUHThat’s great news for CUH. just wondering does anyone have any idea if CUH are going to reinstate the helipad? That is really one thing CUH should have. It’s been gone since the redevelopment of the A&E ward and they currently use Cork airport for landing in. u think they would use the Pres rugby grounds instead since it is so close to CUH??
November 23, 2005 at 11:16 pm #758538lexington
Participant๐ BrideView Developments have been refused planning by ABP for the development of 106 apartment units all within a single building ranging in height between 3 and 5-storeys and destined for location at Monsfieldstown in Rochestown. Though Cork County Council had greenlit the proposal (subject to revisions), and the Planning Inspector with ABP recommended permission – the Board decided to reject the proposal. The site occupies a prominent position, just north of the South Ring Road and to the South East of the Bloomfield Interchange – fronting the Douglas Estuary. Design was by Dublin-based McGrane & Partners.
COLLIERS Jackson-Stops has expanded its presence in the Munster region, following the formation of a strategic alliance with Cohalan, Downing & Associates, one of Cork’s leading independent estate agencies.Managing director Declan Stone said: “Colliers Jackson-Stops has been active in Cork for more than 10 years and our alliance with Cohalan Downing & Associates will further strengthen our presence in the region. We are already working together on a number of significant projects.”
Maurice Cohalan, managing partner, Cohalan Downing & Associates said:”Increasingly our clients require us to have access to the worldwide marketand through our strategic alliance with Colliers Jackson-Stops, we will nowhave access to Colliers International’s 252 offices world-wide.”
Source: Irish Independent
November 24, 2005 at 11:34 am #758539Pug
Participant@lexington wrote:
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a media report today implied that a publication of a letter in it’s newspaper by the Cork/Kerry regions only serving Consultant Oncologist was the moving factor in pushing forward Cancer Treatment facility funding. Indeed the Taoiseach did reiterate the funding had been made – however funding for the new 6-storey Renal/Cardiac Unit at Cork University Hospital designed by Watkins Gray International and which will include a 30-bed oncology unit actually saw the required รขโยฌ47m cleared approximately 2 weeks ago (re: senior CUH management and the HSE). Renal/Cardiac Unit for CUHLex, apparently the Consultant Oncologist sent the letter 3 weeks ago as per The Examiner ๐ฎ
November 24, 2005 at 12:47 pm #758540lexington
ParticipantCork: a city I’ve always liked a lot
Right of Reply . . . but poor urban design is having a negative impact on its fabric , says Frank McDonald, Environment EditorOwen O’Callaghan’s piece last Thursday’s in Property must be welcomed. Whatever about its scathing tone, I’m glad that he didn’t take his own advice to ignore what I wrote the previous week about the poor architectural quality of some recent schemes in Cork.
We need more public debate in Ireland about architecture and urban design.
And since property developers play such a significant role in commissioning new buildings, it is always good to get their views on the record – particularly as so few of them are prepared to speak out.
Yes, the piece I wrote was negative, about Mahon Point and Merchants Quay shopping centres and the new development by O’Callaghan Properties on Lavitt’s Quay, as well as other schemes, such as the recently completed office block on Lapp’s Quay.
Mr O’Callaghan accuses me of “pontificating”. Yet most of the architecture columns I have written in this supplement over the years have been positive, highlighting the good work done by architects in Ireland – including Cork, which is a city I have always liked a lot.
I do not, as he suggested, hold any resentment of Cork and its success because I happen to be a Dubliner. Indeed, I have argued more than once that Cork should be at least twice its size (the same goes for Limerick and Galway), to counterbalance Dublin’s dominance.
I have also condemned the Government’s outrageous decision to overlook Cork for decentralisation. Instead of recognising the city as a real asset by relocating 920 public servants there, they were to be dispersed throughout the county, from Clonakilty right around to Youghal.
In previous articles on Cork, I wrote positively about the successful re-making of Patrick Street by Catalan architect Beth Ghali, the superb Glucksman Gallery at UCC by O’Donnell and Tuomey, and how Cork’s year as European Capital of Culture would focus attention on its potential.
It is against that backdrop, on the strength of four trips to Cork this year, that I was dismayed to find evidence – in the form of poor quality buildings – that the tired old “anything is better than nothing” approach to urban renewal seemed to be asserting itself in the city.
Every city has a character that makes it special, a genius loci or “spirit of place”. In Cork’s case, this is bound up with the River Lee and the way in which buildings address its quays, full frontally and with sharp edges. It is part of the essential Cork and cannot be discounted.
This is not, as Mr O’Callaghan maintained, a “formulaic mindset”, but rather a recognition of the character of the city. New buildings fronting the river must, therefore, address the quay primarily; they should not be designed in a way that gives equal prominence to side streets.
His own development at 21 Lavitt’s Quay is a mistake in that context. Not only is it grossly overscaled, but it celebrates the corner as if it was addressing two spaces of equal status – even though one is an 18th century river landscape and the other is merely a service lane.
By doing so, it severs the continuity of the quay and erodes the character of the city. The same applies to the new office block on Lapp’s Quay and even to the Clarion Hotel, even though it is obviously very welcome as a new place to stay in the heart of Cork.
On the issue of scale, I have never suggested that building heights in the centre of Cork – or of Dublin – should be limited to two or three storeys, as Mr O’Callaghan claimed was my “credo”.
That would be nonsensical. But a little more respect for context wouldn’t go amiss.
It will be interesting, and instructive, to see his plans for the Adelaide Street area. Will the shopping centre he wants to build there be inward-looking like Merchants Quay, or will it take on board new ideas in retail circles by retaining the tight urban grain with open-air malls? Yes, Cork has seen an unprecedented level of development in recent years.
But its “previous atrophied state”, as he described it, meant that the city managed to retain much of its fabric and was relatively unsullied, until now, by bad architecture and even worse urban design.
Source: Irish Times
24th November 2005
I understand that Pug – I was referring to the headline implication, sorry if I didn’t make that clear. ๐ฎ However, that considered, funding was not merely provided in response to the letter – As Mr. McNamara with CUH will tell you, the hospital had been in discussion to secure that funding long in advance based on prior commitment and had been expecting the allocation to allow it begin construction on the facility for mid-2006.November 24, 2005 at 1:14 pm #758541Radioactiveman
ParticipantI have to say, Frank McDonald makes a valid point about sharp edges on the quaysides. Besides the fact that I really like the Lapp’s Quay development, I can see what he means about treating the quayside and the laneway as equal parties. When the proposed development next door goes into position, it might look better having sharp edges meeting across the laneway rather than curved edges spreading out. I can see where he’s coming from.
November 24, 2005 at 1:25 pm #758542BTH
ParticipantSorry to interrupt the cork thread but the same problem is starting to afflict the western quays in Dublin – See the Bargaintown development for the ultimate in completely pointless corner “features” – as if the narrow street it addresses is worthy of such aggrandisement.
A very fair reply from Frank McDonald there, squarely answering some of O’Callaghan’s more hysterical claims…
November 24, 2005 at 1:27 pm #758543browser
ParticipantAny news on this?
November 24, 2005 at 1:31 pm #758544lexington
Participant@browser wrote:
Any news on this?
Decision is scheduled for today – but ABP often take a little leeway on the dates. As of this morning, I was told the Board are due to deliberate later today, which means a decision should be in the post this evening and out tomorrow. However, the decision may still be pushed back. The tension mounts. I suppose when it comes to ABP, you just wait… ๐ฎ
BTH – you are perfectly entitled to engage, no apologises for ‘interupting’. The more input the better. ๐November 24, 2005 at 3:16 pm #758545jungle
ParticipantI agree with some of his points. The Lavitt’s Quay development does over-dominate the quayside. However, that may change as further development goes onto that quay. Also, Merchant’s Quay and Mahon Point are legitimate targets. I don’t agree about Lapp’s Quay, which is a development that I quite like*.
When he refers to a development in Adelaide St, does he mean Academy St? I haven’t heard of any upcoming developments on Adelaide St.
*I am worried about the timber facade. Looking at the apartment block by Bishopstown Shopping Centre (one of the first in the city to have timber on the facade), it’s clear that this finish doesn’t last fantastically well in Cork’s climate.
November 24, 2005 at 3:30 pm #758546lexington
Participant๐ Indeed Frinailla have seen Further Information requested of their Dennehy’s Cross proposal, designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects. The 163 apartment unit proposal will also include substantial local service amenities/commercial space, and a large triple-deck basement car-park. Among the Further Information requests is a call for a reduction in height of the northern block by 1 level, the increase in landscaping provision and an increase in the number of 3-bedroom constituent units – to promote family living.
๐ Michael Bradley’s 4-storey project at 44 Sheare’s Street has also entered Further Information. The Magee Creedon designed proposal seeks to construct a basement/ground-floor retail unit, 1st floor office space, and a duplex apartment with roof garden overhead.
๐ Also, Murrayforde Developments proposal for 11-apartment units over retail and community service units for Shandon Street – designed by James Leahy & Associates – has been refused.
jungle – one feature I would like to CCC add to permit conditions regarding developments that finish with this sort of timber-cladding is a requisite that the developer or building management company undertake to maintain the coating of such cladding on a regular basis – in the interests of aesthetics. The same can be said for the Glucksman Gallery to some extent, however its woodland setting somewhat aids the natural progression of this finish blend in with the surrounds.November 24, 2005 at 3:51 pm #758547anto
ParticipantI think those hardwood timbers like Cedar or teak are supposed to turn a silver/gey over time and not need any coating. They’re not supposed to have that “varnished” look. I know it doesn’t alway work out that way but that’s the theory,
. Also the silvery color isn’t to everybody’s taste as they may be used to the glossy varnished look but they just need to get with it!
November 24, 2005 at 3:58 pm #758548BTH
ParticipantWestern Red Cedar, European Larch, Iroko, Oak – Teak to a lesser extent – these are the timbers that can and should be left untreated externally. They may look a bit tatty after a couple of years but given a couple more they get the intended silvery grey weathered effect which I think looks fantastic – especially when combined with brick or stone. Varnishing or staining any of these is a huge mistake as it is the varnish that weathers badly and needs constant maintenance – not the timber.
The Ranelagh School, The Timber Building and the Civic Offices in Tullamore are all great examples of well detailed untreated timber. I fully expect that in 5 years time the Glucksman will look just as well.November 24, 2005 at 5:34 pm #758549Leesider
Participantthat is the developers/architects intention with the glucksman, after a few years it should age quite well and fit in with its surrounding woodland setting!
November 24, 2005 at 5:48 pm #758550who_me
Participant@lexington wrote:
Cork: a city I’ve always liked a lot
His own development at 21 Lavitt’s Quay is a mistake in that context. Not only is it grossly overscaled, but it celebrates the corner as if it was addressing two spaces of equal status – even though one is an 18th century river landscape and the other is merely a service lane.I understand his point, but I disagree with it completely.
Certainly, addressing the quayside is of the upmost importance, yes (unlike the Opera House, Merchants’ Quay and many others). But, you have to remember one of the fundamental characteristics of Cork city is the rich web of narrow sidestreets (many of which now are pedestrianised, or pedestrian-priority).
In my opinion, one of the biggest ‘mistakes’ we’ve made in Cork is allowing some of these narrow lanes to die (many have even been built over), by treating them like unwanted intrusions. This is most notable in the sidestreets off Patrick St (Bowling Green St, Faulkner’s Lane and Maylor St, though that has now improved enormously).
By having large department shops (Dunne’s, Roches, Pennys) on the corners, which have no frontage onto the side laneways, you eliminate any prospect of future development along them, since what business would want to set up 50m down a dark alleyway.
Instead, by having these grand corner features, they invite foot traffic into these laneways which brings them back to life. There’s no reason why the lanes mentioned above couldn’t be every bit as vibrant as the Hugenot quarter is now, if we don’t follow the development model he espouses.
“In my opinion”, of course! ๐
November 25, 2005 at 1:22 pm #758551Radioactiveman
ParticipantThe EPA has just announced that they have issued a license for the proposed incinerator in Ringaskiddy Co. Cork.Indaver propose to build the Ringaskiddy Waste Management Facility in two phases. In January 2004 Indaver received planning permission for the construction of Phase I of a waste management facility, in Ringaskiddy, which includes:
1. 100,000 tonnes per annum incinerator for hazardous and non-hazardous industrial and commercial waste
2. Waste Transfer Station for industrial waste
3. Community recycling park for household recyclable wasteThis phase of the facility includes a hazardous waste incinerator, which would treat hazardous waste, generated in Ireland, which is currently exported to the UK and the continent for incineration. This facility would be suitable for treating non-hazardous industrial and commercial waste, which is currently being landfilled.
Phase II of the project would include a 100,000 tonnes per annum facility for non-hazardous commercial and household waste. Indaver intends to apply for Planning Permission for Phase II once Cork City and County Councils have decided their waste management strategy for household and commercial waste, and the requirements of other waste producers have been defined. This facility would be suitable for treating non hazardous household and commercial waste which is currently going to landfill. Phase II will cost 30 million EURO to construct.

November 25, 2005 at 2:39 pm #758552Anonymous
Inactive@browser wrote:
Any news on this?
Water Street has been bumped for a decison on the 30th if any is interested…..
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