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- November 14, 2005 at 1:34 pm #758453
Radioactiveman
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Glad to see this long planning procedure has finally come to an end. For anyone interested, below is a summary of the whole process:
Most of the given conditions are standard. ABP has however requested the removal of a central block of apartments to the rear of the central plaza building (large 5-storey structure in Lexington’s image above). The space created is to be added to the open space in the development and is to landscaped accordingly.
Therefore, some apartments will be lost to the development.Frinailla’s Lady’s Well
Frinailla originally applied for this development on Watercourse Road in Blackpool in August of 2003. That scheme was submitted as three individual planning applications. At that time, the whole development was proposed as a mixed-use development with c.250 residential units, a large number of commercial units (totalling 3379m2), a crรยจche/childcare facility, and a private gym for residents use.
The whole development stretched from Murphyรขโฌโขs Brewery Corner to the Garda Station on Watercourse Road taking in Coral SeaFood, McSweeney Meats, Trotters Secondhand store and The 147 snooker Club, as well as a large number of buildings to the rear.
The original development called for a maximum 9 storey range of buildings over basement car parking finished in a mixture of materials including frosted glass, metal meshing and รขโฌหpelicolourรขโฌโข cladding.
Fears were raised at local and City Council level and further information on this development was submitted on the 18th November 2003. This further information served to reduce the highest buildings proposed from 9 storey to seven storey but did little to improve the design problems.
This first set of applications was refused permission by CCC on the 18th December 2003 and all three were appealed to An Bord Pleanala (28.205801, 28.205802 and 28.205803 respectively).
In the appeal to ABP Frinailla offered to reduce their development to six storeys, should ABP see fit. This was in order to satisfy residentรขโฌโขs concerns over excess height. However, the development was turned down by ABP on the 20/07/2004. Reasons such as scale, height and character within the existing streetscape were all cited as reasons for refusal.On the 6th October 2004, Frinailla ltd. applied to Cork City Council to demolish all of the buildings on the site in two separate applications (04/28865 and 04/28866). This was to facilitate sub-surface investigations. These applications were accompanied by no plans for redevelopment and were refused by CCC on those grounds. These decisions were also appealed to An Bord Pleanala in December of 2004 but withdrawn when the most recent applications were also before ABP (see below).
A month before CCCรขโฌโขs decision on the above demolition applications, Frinailla applied to CCC for the latest round of developments on the 19th November 2004. This time the application came in two parts (04/29029 and 04/29030).
Overall, the development sought was a mixed use, residential/commercial/public one ranging from one to five stories in height. It contained: 153 residential units, 510 m sq of office space, a bank of 267 m sq, seven retail units totalling 635.5 m sq, a public library (966 m sq), crรยจche (504 m sq), Medical Centre (282 sq m) and a convenience retail unit (529 m sq).
The development also proposed a public plaza opening onto Watercourse Road and the retention of a warehouse building at the edge of the site. It was intended to renovate this building and make it the head office of Frinailla Ltd.
Again, it could have been argued that the development was out of character with the area in terms of height, finishing, etc., however in my view, the new development was much better than that submitted the previous year (see pictures above). This being said, CCC planners had previously stated that 4 storey was the maximum they would consider at this site.
Questions were also raised about the feasibility of a Public Library at this location, especially considering there was had been no attempt made to involve Cork City Library Service in the planning of it.
Further information was submitted on the 4th March 2005, this time photomontages were included. The developers argued convincingly that the 5-storey element proposed would help to define the public plaza and public library space. However, in the same submission, the developers withdrew the option of a library (referring to a statement by the City Librarian confirming that the relocation of St. Maryรขโฌโขs Road Library was not an immediate priority) and replace it in their plans with further retail, a gym and further apartments.The planner dealing with the application recommended refusal on the grounds of: visual obstruction, inappropriate height, scale and massing, character, overlooking and a breach of the Cork City Development Plan by allowing excess retail in an area which is neither city centre nor a รขโฌหneighbourhood centreรขโฌโข.
At this point, it is reported that the Senior Planner and City Manager intervened and requested the planner to draw up appropriate conditions to grant permission. This was done, and the development was given the go-ahead by CCC, albeit with the 5-storey element reduced to 4-storey.
This decision to grant was appealed to ABP by Kathleen Lynch TD, amongst others, who had made submissions from the beginning of this process. Originally, a decision from ABP was due in late August. This was delayed until 13th October, and this was further delayed until today due to ABP workloads.November 14, 2005 at 2:21 pm #758454Saucy Jack
ParticipantLooks OK in the images and I wonder what the parking provisions are.
What happened to John Pauls site at the former Grand Parade / Sir Henrys site as nothing appears to have started there in a long time. ?November 14, 2005 at 2:29 pm #758455Radioactiveman
ParticipantAdequate parking facilities are provided under ground- running under the entire length of the developement. Will cater for c. 250 cars.
The development itself is certainly out of character with the surroounding area, although you may argue that this is a good thing. It is bold and brash and is, in effect a fresh start for this badly neglected site. The locale itself has been on the up lately though, so this development will be fitting into an area which has already had a lot of work done on it in terms of new apartment blocks,etc. Further out from the City, the massive Blackpool SC and RP is nearing completion.
In terms of maintaining the scale, massing and design of the buildings surrounding this development, it is a failure. As a new start and something to replace what is a terribly delapidated site, it can only be a winner. Only time will tell how this development takes shape. ๐Its interesting to note that the ABP report (due to be made available in the next few days) will show that the inspector involved reccomended upholding the third-party appeal and therefore refusing permission for this development! It was only through the intervention of the Director of Services that The Board decided to go against its own inspector and grant permission.
Importantly, this means that Frinailla’s Lady’s Well project has gone through both CCC and ABP without ANY report reccomending permission be granted. Both reports reccomended refusal! It is only through intervention at levels above that of the planner/inspector that this development recieved permission. Curious to say the least! It seems the powers that be are smiling on Frinailla and rejecting the advice of their own planners and inspectors!November 14, 2005 at 5:41 pm #758456rodger
ParticipantGreat news for Cork City regarding Water Course Road and I think well done to all involved.Compromise and common sense prevailed in the end.So Lex whats the next big proposal for Cork?
November 14, 2005 at 6:17 pm #758457lexington
Participant@rodger wrote:
whats the next big proposal for Cork?
In what terms? Scheduled lodgement? Preplanning? Speculative?
Some of which can’t be disclosed. Others, which are well known and anticipated like that of Academy Street are worth looking forward to. Last night’s CBA ceremony at the SilverSprings was an interesting affair. A much deserved congratulations to Mr. O’Callaghan and all at OCP on receiving the Cork Business of the Year Award.
November 14, 2005 at 6:56 pm #758458who_me
ParticipantI’m not that familiar with the Blackpool areas – is there any map that shows the location & size of the Ladyswell development?
November 14, 2005 at 7:08 pm #758459Radioactiveman
ParticipantThis is the best I can do for now I’m a fraid. The 3 blocks of the Frinailla development are highlighted in red. It is bordered by Watercourse Road, Bleasby Street and Houses on Chapel Lane. With Allinetts lane and Hillgrove lane running through the site.
<img src="http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2351/blackpoolmap1ng.th.gif" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at http://www.ImageShack.us” />November 14, 2005 at 7:36 pm #758460mickeydocs
Participant@lexington wrote:
In what terms? Scheduled lodgement? Preplanning? Speculative?
Some of which can’t be disclosed. Others, which are well known and anticipated like that of Academy Street are worth looking forward to. Last night’s CBA ceremony at the SilverSprings was an interesting affair. A much deserved congratulations to Mr. O’Callaghan and all at OCP on receiving the Cork Business of the Year Award.
any docklands developments close to submission… how is mph plan for North Docks progressing… any news on Water Street?
Thanks as always : ๐
November 15, 2005 at 1:09 am #758461lexington
Participant@mickeydocs wrote:
any docklands developments close to submission… how is mph plan for North Docks progressing… any news on Water Street? : ๐
The ABP decision on Werdna’s รขโยฌ70m Water Street project, designed by Sean Kearns of Murray O’Laoire Architects is scheduled for November 24th 2005 – Thursday week. Whether the decision is delivered on time or not, I don’t yet know.
As for Manor Park Homebuilders’ plans on Horgan’s Quay – my understanding is that discussions are still proceeding on a number of issues.
Regarding other docklands development –
Niall & Sheila Doris’ proposal for the Nat Ross premises along Monahan’s Road is still in Further Information. The project is designed by Jonathan Horgan of SDA O’Flynn and comprises of 104 residential units (99 apartments over 4 blocks ranging between 4 & 10 storeys – with 5 2-storey terraced houses), 30,000sq ft of business and technology office space all over basement car-parking.
A further commercial/office development is being planned for a 1-acre site along Monahan’s Road not too far away from Nat Ross. At this precise time, I’m not at liberty to specify details or location – but it is in the works.
Mundo Furnishings facilities along Centre Park Road are being assessed for redevelopment by owner Patrick Herlihy, however, any movement dates on that site are not yet clear and suspected as ‘longer’ rather than ‘sooner’ term.
Nearby McCarthy Developments proposal – which holds successful planning – on the former Goldcrop and Alliance Tyres site adjoining Centre Park House is in the final 2 for the race to host the valuable Revenue Commissioners tenancy. My understanding is Tom & Michelle McCarthy are quietly optimistic. McCarthy Developments may not be finished with the remainder of the site either… ]something[/U] for the time being anyway.
November 15, 2005 at 4:05 am #758462who_me
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
This is the best I can do for now I’m a fraid. The 3 blocks of the Frinailla development are highlighted in red. It is bordered by Watercourse Road, Bleasby Street and Houses on Chapel Lane. With Allinetts lane and Hillgrove lane running through the site.
<img src="http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2351/blackpoolmap1ng.th.gif" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at http://www.ImageShack.us” />Thanks Radioactiveman, much appreciated.
November 15, 2005 at 10:38 am #758463mickeydocs
ParticipantI won’t comment on other possible movements for the time being until I hear more – hope that’s something for the time being anyway.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Lex… that’s alot of interesting developments. Must say that I’ll be very interested in any future developments by Howard Holdings, City Quarter has really had a fantastic impact.
November 16, 2005 at 7:03 am #758464bosco
ParticipantHi all, I’ve been reading this thread for a good while now; I’ve enjoyed and appreciated a lot of the contributions, it’s a great resource to know what’s going on in the city and county. I have strong opinions on many of the topics, esp. regarding strategic planning for the city, transport and the docklands, but I never seem to find the time to post my rants. Sometime soon, no doubt!
Anyway, I see some of you were looking for photos of the new terminal development at the airport, so I hope some of these help.
(Click on thumbnail to view photos)
View from the approach road to the airport terminals, with the old terminal to the left, and the new to the right of the overhead gantries.
November 16, 2005 at 7:17 am #758465bosco
ParticipantNovember 16, 2005 at 11:56 am #758466corcaighboy
Participant๐ Bosco, you are a star. Thanks for posting the photos. New terminal is an intersting building to look at and I presume it will be equally pleasant inside. Certainly, it can only be a huge improvement on what currently passes as the terminal building.
By the way, anyone notice where they hid the fine statue of Christy Ring? At the side of the car park in the airport hotel ๐ฎ I presume he will get a more prominent setting once the ribbon is cut on the new terminal.November 16, 2005 at 3:18 pm #758467jungle
ParticipantOne issue I have with the new airport terminal is that it was designed for 2.5 million passengers. The airport is already at that level.
November 16, 2005 at 3:38 pm #758468rebel_city
ParticipantNo doubt the airport will open and there will be talks of expanding it to cater for more passengers. I’m happy to see an airbridge in one of the photos. I thought for a while that the bridges were taken out of the plan. When completed the airport will be a really good 1st impression for tourists coming to Cork and Ireland for the 1st time. I hear Subway and Lennox’s chipper will be taking up redency in the food hall. I laughed when Ist heard Lennox’s were going in there. But it’s a great idea, not only is it different to both Dublin and Shannon airports, it’s a bit of Cork city culture and life in the airport. It will do great business, all the Corkonians having their last bit of decent Cork grub before leaving for lands out foreign!
November 16, 2005 at 4:33 pm #758469Saucy Jack
ParticipantI think that there is a Mini English Market going in there also and Lennox’s will be hilarious different.
Hope they get the transatlantic flights next.November 16, 2005 at 5:58 pm #758470-Donnacha-
ParticipantBosco-your a legend. I love nothing more than seeing photos of work in progress-esp something like the airport. I love the photos. Like Jungle said already about the new terminal beign built to cope with 2.5 million passengers, I think once the new terminal is occupied the current one should be re-developed by Ryanair-I feel they need a proper base in Ireland since Dublin lost out with their recent decision to develop in Germany. Can you imagine Cork airport with two terminals before Dublin even pours the foundation for their 2nd terminal-a slap in the face for Irelands Capital and the Government for being so slow in implementing anything.
Lennox’s will clean up in Cork Airport- it’ll be the job.
November 16, 2005 at 6:56 pm #758471ToMuchFreeTime
ParticipantYa i would like ryanair to take a more active role in cork airport as there is more than enought demand for it weather you be going out of the country on holidays or tourists coming in. I know alot of people from cork are heading to shannon because of the choice of cheap flights thanks to ryanair. I think this is a big lose to the cork area as cork has a bigger catchment area . ๐
such is the boom in tourism in the limerick area because of the cheap flights out of shannon that within the next 2 years 1,000 new hotel rooms will be added to the city capacity which is quiet a big jump.
Facts On New Terminal
Area 26,500 sq. metres
Capacity for 3 million passengers annually
32 check-in desks
4 Air-bridges
5 baggage belts
I’ve also got a question i though the new terminal had a capacity for 3 million the below quote is taken from the air rianta cork web site . ye say the capacty is 2.5 million but this makes no sence as that figure is going to be achived this year . Correct me if i’m wrong but i think the new terminal has a capacty for 3million and the design incorporated alows for expancion at a later date 5+ years to 5+ million not sure how many air bridges are there though
Any terninal is a huge inprovement than whats there as the current one has a capacity is officially 1.1 million passengers per annum
I’d like ryanair to take the old terminal over other than it being turned into officesQUOTE:/
The new terminal will utilise glass, steel and timber materials in a graceful, contemporary design, which maximises the effects of light and space under a single-span curved roof structure. The building is designed to manage a capacity of up to five million passengers per annum over time, with the potential addition of a new pier and side extensions when required.
QUOTE:+ does anyone know the actual opening date???
November 17, 2005 at 2:08 am #758472A-ha
ParticipantBosco-your a legend. I love nothing more than seeing photos of work in progress-esp something like the airport. I love the photos. Like Jungle said already about the new terminal beign built to cope with 2.5 million passengers, I think once the new terminal is occupied the current one should be re-developed by Ryanair-I feel they need a proper base in Ireland since Dublin lost out with their recent decision to develop in Germany. Can you imagine Cork airport with two terminals before Dublin even pours the foundation for their 2nd terminal-a slap in the face for Irelands Capital and the Government for being so slow in implementing anything
I couldn’t have said it better my self. Good on ya Bosco. I’ve been dying for those pictures for weeks and weeks. I have a question though…. which will be Terminal 1 and which will be Terminal 2, the new or the old part? I read in the Echo weeks ago that the old terminal will be used for more than just office use, i.e. an extra terminal. I would love to see Ryanair take over the old terminal (we’ll call it T1 for the sake of it) and also charter flights during the summer. With long delays most of the time, they’ll crowd up T2 if the use it. Also heard that with the new open skies agreement thingy between the EU and the US, it will alow more foreign airlines to use Cork. Maybe we might get our scheduled transatlantic flights after all. Shannon will loose out though, with only 1 in 4 flights going to stopover from 2006. Delighted with the pics. thanks again. Oh and while I’m at it…. where is the connection going to be from T1 to T2. It says in the plans that there will be some sort of sheltered link between the two. Any ideas?
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