developments in cork
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@who_me wrote:
I was reading back over this and the old Cork thread, and am curious about several projects that were mentioned but have gone quiet:
Eglington St. – This has planning, but any idea when construction starts? The WebWorks building in front of it is already shooting up, and – together with the pictures posted here – give some idea of the scale of this project.
Eglinton Street is out to tender – currently under 1st party appeal concerning conditions. Bowen Construction among others have tenders in on the project. Construction is set for early 2006.
@who_me wrote:
Crosses Green hotel – this (amazingly, in my opinion) secured planning. Any idea if/when construction is due to start, or is it more likely the site will be sold with full planning permission.
Received planning (another ugly DT brick – sorry, but I just don’t like it!) and the 3rd Party Appeal was withdrawn. No details of a scheduled construction.
@who_me wrote:
Kinsale Rd. hotel – a planning proposal was withdrawn if I remember correctly. Anyone have any idea why? Even gossip welcome! ]
AbsoluteHotels.com may seek a different location.@who_me wrote:
Academy St. – Can’t wait to see what’s planned for here. Given its location and size, I’d imagine this one will be really under the microscope.
Application scheduled now for November. Gehl Architects (Copenhagen) & Project Architects (Dublin) are behind the design with Niall Fitzsimons Limited as consulting engineers.
@who_me wrote:
Grand Parade Plaza – Wasn’t construction due to start before now?
A further plannig application (additional apartments and retail space) on this site is expected in the future – concerning the former Goat Broke Loose premises etc. As for construction dates – ?????
@who_me wrote:
Any pictures/plans of the North Docklands?
I have a preconception by O’Mahony Pike Architects (masterplan drawings) and will try and get it up over the next week or so. These drawings are not final designs but rather a idea on how the redevelopment proposal by Manor Park Homebuilders is scheduled to be laid out.
@who_me wrote:
Office building on Clontarf St. – the one on that tiny triangular site. Any more news?
Still in Further Information – one of my pet favourite projects, by DAT Partnerships, hoping the design isn’t lost in any revised plans. Daniel Luxton with Coughlan de Keyser is behind the design.
@who_me wrote:
And, finally, are there any even tentative plans for the Water St. bridge?
Final report being assessed.
@ToMuchFreeTime wrote:3. Whens the plan coming out for the north docklands being redeveloped by howard holdings ??? looking forward to that
Howard Holdings aren’t involved with the North Docklands Masterplan. It is believed they may have commissioned Murray O’Laoire Architects for a plan concerning the South Docklands – which will probably not be released public. Manor Park Homebuilders are involved with CIE on the North Docklands (Horgan’s Quay), O’Mahony Pike are the architects and no application date is scheduled. Discussions are on-going with CCC and the Port of Cork concerning the NDAP.
Regarding the Event Centre – 3 developers are assessing possibilities for Cork. The obvious one is Manor Park Homebuilders, however they have expressed preference for a 2,500 seat venue only, which in itself they claim would need significant retail support to make viable. I don’t believe that. MPH aren’t really very interested in building such a centre. The size of the centre isn’t really an issue – an event centre in Cork could have a comfortable capacity of 8,000 and still be viable, as it is not the size of the centre that strictly counts – its the diversity of uses and the flexibility to cater for a variety of events. For example, the centre should be able to take large concerts or be subdivided into smaller venues for smaller performances. It should be able to take conferences of varying sizes – with partitions allowing a number of smaller conferences to operate at any one time. It should be able to take the ‘Disney on Ice’ style event when required, Eurovision(??? :p ) etc etc And on ‘days off’ perhaps have an ice-rink capacity (a full proper ice-rink) which can open up to the public and host events also (e.g. corporate outings, school tours etc). Perhaps the odd visit from the Belfast Giants in an ice-hockey tournament? Perhaps allow for the creation of a home ice-hockey team in Cork to compete in tournaments – the event centre operator can attain rights to associated merchandise etc etc. With a little imagination and versatility – you quickly find capacity is not necessarily the issue. Its the frequency and diversity that you can afford the centre – and then deriving revenue streams from a variety of functions, not just 1 or 2. The ice rink idea for example will allow for year-round use – filling possible event gaps. Build cost is another important component, good design can aid this issue – plus, appropriate underground parking may help recoup some cost issues in the long-run.
@mhenness wrote:
Looks like Game Stop have actually moved onto the main street in Mallow and not the Market Square development.
Subway are also setting up right next to Pizza Hut in Market Square! If you ever needed convincing that Ireland is becoming Americanis(z)ed look no further…Starbucks here we come!
I suppose that is true that we are becomming americanised but then again these places are all over the world and you cant stop them coming in if there is a demand. As for Starbucks I think they are in college green in dublin or else they are about to move in there. I’d be very suprised if they dont go for a spot in Patrick St although there is a lot of competition in the market at the moment with Costa Coffee, BBs, O’Briens, Gloria Jeans and all the other coffee shops too many too mention.
As the European City of Culture year is nearly over for Cork, would Corkonians say that it was an overall success ?
What achitectural jewels have sprung up adding to the cities architecture?
Do Corkonians feel fully urbanely urbanized now in a European sense?@GregF wrote:
As the European City of Culture year is nearly over for Cork, would Corkonians say that it was an overall success ?
What achitectural jewels have sprung up adding to the cities acrhitecture.
Do Corkonians feel fully urbanely urbanized now in a European sense?as a man in exile i only saw a couple of benefits in terms of architecture. the libeskind/arup pavilion in fota was a delightful addition. the works to oliver plunkett street and patrick street look great, good to see them completed in time(ish) to give a good impression of cork’s main thoroughfares.
anyone who is disappointed by the whole affair, i’d love to know what you were expecting or hoping for, and what you think might have been done differently.
@securityman wrote:
I suppose that is true that we are becomming americanised but then again these places are all over the world and you cant stop them coming in if there is a demand. As for Starbucks I think they are in college green in dublin or else they are about to move in there. I’d be very suprised if they dont go for a spot in Patrick St although there is a lot of competition in the market at the moment with Costa Coffee, BBs, O’Briens, Gloria Jeans and all the other coffee shops too many too mention.
Of course you’re right. Franchising is a big thing pretty much everywhere these days and of course we have some Irish franchises that have hit the States also (but maybe not with the same scale). It just so happens that many franchises originate from north America. I think franchising will become one of the drivers of our services industry as it becomes an ever more important part of our economy in Ireland and as lower end manufacturing declines.
🙂 X-CES Projects have been granted planning for their (reportedly) €200m development at Hangman’s Point, not far from Kinsale. The proposal, designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners and scheduled to be contracted to Bowen Construction will consist of a new Hyatt Hotel of approx. 200-bedrooms, convention and leisure centres, equestrian event centre, 18-hole champion golf-course, 180 resort lodges, golf academy and other ancillary provisions. The significant proposal will now have to brace itself for the possibility of appeal. Other obstacles yet face the project also, including a considerable bat ‘problem’ associated with the lands! 😮
😎 Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely have been awarded a grant by ABP on their plans to develop 22 no. residential units comprising of 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses at Grianbru, Dennehy’s Cross. The project, which will range between 2 and 4-storeys, also includes 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit with 33 basement car-parking spaces. The project, designed by Kiosk Architects, was approved by the Bord following an initial refusal recommendation by the Planning Inspector.
Aerial View (S to N) of the Grianbru site/Dennehy’s Cross – outlined in red.
🙁 Also, John Casey (J&M Murphy) has lodged a third party appeal, for his successful grant regarding ‘leave’, against Pitwood Limited’s plans for a 116-bedroom hotel designed by James Leahy & Associates at Beasly Street and fronting 17/18 Parnell Place. The appeal concerns 2 conditions associated with the CCC grant. Mr. Casey believes those conditions may adversely his premises. This unfortunately delays a much need project – especially with respect to the facades at 17/18 Parnell Place.@GregF wrote:
As the European City of Culture year is nearly over for Cork, would Corkonians say that it was an overall success ?
What achitectural jewels have sprung up adding to the cities architecture?
Do Corkonians feel fully urbanely urbanized now in a European sense?I think Cork has developed and continues to do so, a very continental, cosmopolitan feel to it. Of course there is much more to go, but the refurbishments at St. Patrick’s Street, Oliver Plunkett Street and those proposed for Grand Parade and Cornmarket Street have all added to this. We should also note the revitalisation of the French Quarter which looks great these days – new pavings, speciality shops, cafes and restaurants opening out onto the street, narrow lanes, street decor etc etc all have made this a beautiful contrast to the main stream commercial areas that surround it. Walking down Careys Lane is often like walking into another city.
In terms of architecture, though there have been some contributions, some of the more exciting proposals are still doing the planning rounds or have yet to be proposed. In this sense, the best I feel, has yet to come.
@lexington wrote:
I think Cork has developed and continues to do so, a very continental, cosmopolitan feel to it. Of course there is much more to go, but the refurbishments at St. Patrick’s Street, Oliver Plunkett Street and those proposed for Grand Parade and Cornmarket Street have all added to this. We should also note the revitalisation of the French Quarter which looks great these days – new pavings, speciality shops, cafes and restaurants opening out onto the street, narrow lanes, street decor etc etc all have made this a beautiful contrast to the main stream commercial areas that surround it. Walking down Careys Lane is often like walking into another city.
Agree wholeheartedly, and it’d be great to think that a redeveloped Faulkner’s Lane and Bowling Green St would add to that again. Combine that with the extra foot traffic that the Academy St. development should draw off Patrick St., and it should really re-energise the area (I don’t know what that means either, but it sounds good.. 😉 ).
Hey everyone,
I stumbled across this site a few weeks ago, and I’ve spent hours reading the last hmmm…32 pages of msgs! I’m living in Dublin at the moment, and travel back to Cork every 6 – 8 weeks or so, and each time I am impressed with the extra bit of development that’s going on. The Kinsale flyover has started and I think that for anybody visiting Cork for the 1st time and coming from the airport it will look impressive and modern. Dundrum here in Dublin seems to be doing very well, and a contact I have working in one of the Spanish retailers there said it’s doing very well. I heard somewhere that MahonPoint wasn’t doing as well as expected, but more recently I have heard that it’s doing well. I really hope that Debehams is there to stay, as their departure would look bad for other retailers thinking of setting up in the Cork market. I was in Galway a few weeks ago and was surprised to see that Habitat was there, actually it was more jealousy! Jealousy that a city the size of Galway has a shop that we don’t have in Cork! Also someone said that H & M is opening in Limerick, again why Limerick before Cork! The msg about Limerick getting an 8000 seater venue is disturbing as it would take the focus off Cork! I mean, great for Limerick, but Cork is the 2nd biggest city and I want to remain that way, and catch up with Dublin as much as possible! Looking forward to having a snoop around Ballincollig Town Centre when I’m down for the Jazz weekend, and cannot wait for both Academy St. and Cornmarket Street to take off! Speaking of taking off, cannot wait for the airport either, fingers crossed trans-atlantic flights begin soon!
coming back to Starbucks I read in the Examiner today that they are looking at Bennetons shop on Cook St as there first venture to the capital of culture
Starbucks would be great to have in Cork, just to say that we have one…. but beside the difference in the colour of their cups… what is the main difference between Costa, Starbucks and Gloria Jeans? I am anxious to see someone going into the former Irish Rail office on Patrick Street…. it’s abit cramped, but it could still be put to some sort of use (Starbucks maybe). A Hyatt Hotel in Cork, I’m glad to hear it! It should provide some competition with the Clarion. Although with a golf course, I presume that it will be more for golfing weekends more than anything else. Isn’t there supposed to be a Hilton going out in Mahon Point, I havent heard anything about it in ages, is it still on?
That shop on the corner of Particks Street and Cook Street would be a better location, the shop currently there is tacky and belongs on North Main Street Don’t know how they are making enough sales to justify the rent!
@A-ha wrote:
Starbucks would be great to have in Cork, just to say that we have one…. but beside the difference in the colour of their cups… what is the main difference between Costa, Starbucks and Gloria Jeans? I am anxious to see someone going into the former Irish Rail office on Patrick Street…. it’s abit cramped, but it could still be put to some sort of use (Starbucks maybe). A Hyatt Hotel in Cork, I’m glad to hear it! It should provide some competition with the Clarion. Although with a golf course, I presume that it will be more for golfing weekends more than anything else. Isn’t there supposed to be a Hilton going out in Mahon Point, I havent heard anything about it in ages, is it still on?
I don’t think the opening of a new store chain in Cork, or any market, should be celebrated on the basis of ‘we have one’ – it should be seen a representation of the confidence that an international group realises in the market. rebel_city asks why Limerick/Galway before Cork – it’s not necessarily an issue of the bigger city gets it first – retaillers assess markets on a number of fronts. When a business invests a substantial level of capital into a new market it has to consider a number of issues – not least distribution, available retail space, the size of that retail space in a location deemed acceptable, rent or freehold values, demand etc etc. H&M and TK Maxx are making strides regarding the Cork market – so hold onto your hats. 😮
As for rebel_city‘s other point, on MahonPoint – when Liffey Valley S.C. opened in Dublin first, similar woes and fears were expressed. The same too for Dundrum. However, as I’m sure you will likely find with Ballincollig S.C. after a few months – similar fears will be expressed also. Large S.C. generally start off with hype – a hype that translates into large volumes of consumers at first, but overfamiliarisation leads to a latter withdrawal in numbers, this dip represents the period in which a centre finds its place in the market (“teething”), some centres have it worse than others – but I think you’ll find, more often than not, a niche is found and these centres settle into a comfortable operating scenario. Now not all retaillers will be happy – but the market will generally determine their position subject to a centres niche position over the long-run.
Though every hotel is in competition with the next to some extent – I think you’ll find hotel markets segment to varying clientele. The Hyatt’s location is removed from the city – though on some levels in will compete (such as conferencing and touring holidays etc) – I think you’ll find it will be of more competition to the likes of the hotel plans earmarked for the Old Head of Kinsale, and possibly the Howard Holdings hotel plan for Emmett Quay in Kinsale town centre – which will be in the Frankie Whelan stable as well I believe. The Clarion’s main competition will be, for example, the new Jurys on Lancaster Quay, the Kingsley etc.
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@lexington wrote:
😎 Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely have been awarded a grant by ABP on their plans to develop 22 no. residential units comprising of 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses at Grianbru, Dennehy’s Cross. The project, which will range between 2 and 4-storeys, also includes 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit with 33 basement car-parking spaces. The project, designed by Kiosk Architects, was approved by the Bord following an initial refusal recommendation by the Planning Inspector.
Aerial View (S to N) of the Grianbru site/Dennehy’s Cross – outlined in red.While i must say i like the plan for Dennehy’s Garage…I am not pleased about the appeal decision for the former Post Offic and house at Grianbru. Disappointing for me personally. I think it borders too close to housing in the area and that the student accommodation to the rear was sufficiently close. I dont really have a problem with most other development down along the Victoria Cross road that direction. I just hope this block appears better in life than what i’ve seen of it.
🙂 With excavations now winding up, CainWhite have moved on site at Rockfell Investments’ Cornmarket Street development to begin foundations piling procedures. Footpaths to the front of the site, on the Cornmarket Street elevation are being dug up and other procedures on site are gearing up from the commencement of the primary construction phase. Small delays associated with excavations did materialise but a tower crane could be seen on site, according to workers, within a month. Frank Ennis & Associates are responsible for the 170,00sq ft of retail space and 65 apartments over 66 space basement parking which constitutes the project.
😮 Bernard Crowley & Gerard Paul have been permitted the development of a new apartment development at the former Riverside Farm along the Model Farm Road (south of Eden Hall). The new proposal, designed by Dennehy + Dennehy, is subject to 19 conditions and follows an initial refusal by the planner – this refusal was later overturned by the Director of Planning and City Manager following revised plans.
As part of the grant, the developers are required to sufficiently adjust and realign the Model Farm Road with borders their development to the North – this comes following concerns associated with the capacity of the road’s traffic handlings abilities. Furthermore, noteworthy provision of a park-like amenity area, open to the public, shall be provided for. Some reductions have also been implied on the original development plans for 67 apartments, creche and gym over basement car-parking in a building ranging for 5 to 7 storeys. The building will peak at around 6 storeys and, as par the original design, slope lower as it proceeds south.
With approx. 48 objections, including those subsequent of Further Information, the proposal will now likely face appeal.
I heard that the silo/grain storage buliding on the quays is to become apartments, is this true? It has huge potential and would give a good impression to anyone travelling down from Dublin or from Waterford and entering the city.
@lexington wrote:
…Howard Holdings are now focusing on 2 other substantial projects, among them a significant docklands initative…
You may remember I recently noted that Howard Holdings were focussing on a substantial docklands initiative [post #527] – well, news came through last night, and I was told only a few minutes ago that the media were scheduled to announce part details on this issue – I can now confirm that Howard Holdings have purchased the 11-acre Ford Distribution Centre at the very heart of the South Docklands.
The vital docklands site went quietly on the market at the end of the summer with a guide price of an estimated €20m – the final sale agreement is believed to be €5m in excess of this . At least 4 solid bids were placed on the site, some speculation had suggested that Castlelands Construction may have been initially interested but failed to carry through any successful offer. Howard Holdings, whose CEO Greg Coughlan (a native of Ballydehob), has always made known its intention to play an active role in the redevelopment of Cork’s docklands. The company, who recently made a successful purchase of the former 0.5acre Doyle Warehousing on Albert Quay for a suspected €10m final offer price, and who sold their acquired No.16 Lavitts Quay premises to OCP for a price tag of in and around €8m – are now rapidly establishing themselves as Cork’s premeir development company associated with Docklands development. Howard Holdings are also understood as to having devised a South Docklands Masterplan – which I was told they have a substantial interest in helping realise. Their successful bid on the Ford site solidifies their intentions – the company will now commence an assessment of the best specific development options associated with the site. Talks will commence with CCC, but an application is not expected in the medium term – it is likely that the company will await the publication of the South Area Docklands Development Plan next year before forwarding with any proposals.
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