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  • #758233
    ewankennedy
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    @lexington wrote:

    Just to update you on this, I was told today that the sale on this site was publicised today, so with that I should probably tell you that the successful bidders on the site were Howard Holdings. The fate of the remaining properties is currently not yet known, but the would offer OFC a nice waterfront vantage considering their permitted Eglinton Street development is relatively land-locked on the 3-acre former sorting office site to the immediate south. Either way, the Howard Holdings acquistion gives the company an enviable dominance either side of the river channel with their City Quarter project along Lapps Quay and now WebWorks and Doyle premises on Albert Quay.


    Can we expect a date anytime soon for an application on the Albert quay site? Howard must have really fought this one out which shows the strength of their interest in the docklands in Cork. Also someone said before they had a masterplan by Murray O’loaire architects made up, i take it they have further plans for the larger docklands area? I think Howard are probably the right guys for a big development job in the docklands and if City quarter is anything to go by they’ll produce first class stuff too! Cant wait to see what they have planned for Albert quay, another job for Scott Tallon walker??? And what of the in between sites? Think they’ll sell up to Howards or will O’flynns or Ascon (??) do something of their own. I suppose if i was making the decision for O’flynns i’d probably by very attracted to the idea of a nice waterfrontage. Who else do you think will be a big player in the south docklands?

    #758234
    altuistic
    Participant

    Its unfortunate to hear about the closure of Hickeys. Its always saddening to hear about a well established local business being put up against the wall. i only hope whatever the future holds for its staff, it is a positive one. And perhaps a successful redevelopment of the maylor street premises will allow for the creation of new indigenous enterprise and employment.

    #758235
    lawyer
    Participant

    @Radioactiveman wrote:

    The above is water trough on Douglas Street in Cork City.
    I’m looking to form as complete a list as possible of all such troughs in the city.
    Anybody have any ideas?

    There is, or was, another trough outside McLaughlins -opposite St. Patrick’s Church.
    I pass there most days but cannot be sure if it is still there.
    There is also one at St.Luke’s Cross.
    Have a look at the minutes of the council meeting on 12.09.2005 on the Cork City Council web site.
    Page 6 [Item 9.7]
    Apparently, if funds are available, they intend taking an inventory of horse troughs in the not too distant future.

    #758236
    lexington
    Participant


    ๐Ÿ™‚ Tomorrow sees the opening of Cork’s first permanent skating rink “Skidz” which is set to open on the 1st floor of North Main Street S.C. – the 2,000sq ft synthetic ice-rink will also include a healthy-eating diner and offer sessions of 30 minutes to prospective skaters for a sum of รขโ€šยฌ5.75 – including skate rental. For more details see Skidz



    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Next Wednesday and Thursday look set to be potentially interesting decision days for Cork development.

    First, on Wednesday 12th October 2005 a decision is expected on the Corbett proposed development at Carmelite Place off the Western Road. An interesting design by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates seeks to realise 22 new apartments over varying heights, averaging 3-storeys at the controversial location, all over basement car-parking. Surprisingly only 1 submission was made regarding the proposal – previously Dermot O’Keefe’s 4-storey student development plans had attracted considerable controversy and was refused by both CCC and on appeal to ABP. The relative ‘calm’ over this project perhaps reflects the designs more considerate and low-key approach, whilst nonetheless maintaining a distinctive architectural character of its own – even if it is a wee bit boxy.

    Second, Niall & Sheila Doris of the Beverly Smyth Group await a decision on Thursday 13th October 2005 (subject to a possible Further Information request) on their plans to redevelop the Nat Ross site along Monahan’s Road in the southern docklands. Their site falls within an area deemed suitable for appropriate high-density residential development – this is reflected in the proposal, designed by Jonathan Horgan of SDA O’Flynn, for 104 residential units over 5 linked blocks (ranging from 4 to 10-storeys) and inclusive of 5 seperate, 2-storey terraced houses. The apartment elements will stand over 30,000sq ft of business & technology offices, as well as a large basement car-parking facility. 7 submissions have been made with respect to this generally positive รขโ€šยฌ50m project. The scheme represents one of the first major investment steps in the successful redevelopment of the Southern Docklands region. Other proposals set or in the wings include that of McCarthy Developments Goldcrop-site redevelopment, adjoining their Centre Park House HQ (along Centre Park Road), which will see an 8-storey 100,000sq ft office building over basement car-park (the proposal is also very comfortably positioned for Revenue Commissioners tenancy), a possible redevelopment of the Mundo Furnishings premises by owner Patrick Herlihy and at least 4 other serious proposals. Nat Ross Redevelopment Images found in earlier post.

    Of course both projects and their decision dates will be subject to Planning Authority moves.



    Also next week, the “nail-biting” continues with the commencement of the ABP Oral Hearing regarding Werdna Limited’s Water Street proposal, designed by Sean Kearns of Murray O’Laoire Architects. The hearing will take place at the Gresham Metropole Hotel along MacCurtain Street from 10am on Wednesday 12th October to Thursday the 13th of October. This project has been through the throws and the reels of the planning process, in all its lows, and fingers will be very tightly crossed that ABP portray wisdom in giving this scheme a positive greenlight. A final decision will be made on the appeal come November 24th 2005. The best of luck to John Crean, Sean Kearns, Mark McMahon and all those involved! ๐Ÿ˜‰


    Water Street proposal along Cork’s North Docklands.

    #758237
    A-ha
    Participant

    Is someone able to go to the Water Street thing or is everyone working? As always, my fingers will be crossed, but just in case, I’ll cross my toes too. Glad to see Schuh opening up in Cork and also securityman, I’m really happy about ESPRIT opening in Douglas, it’s the first I’ve heard of it opening in Cork. It should do well as it’s Cork’s first. And about the event centre…. we shouldn’t settle for anything less than 5000 seats. If we’re not going to get that, then we might as well just stick with the Opera House!

    #758238
    lexington
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    ๐Ÿ˜Ž According to Capitol Cineplex manager, Patrick O’Brien, the prominent Grand Parade premises is to seize operations come December 2nd 2005. Operator Ward Anderson will focus on their new, successful 13-screen Omniplex facility at Mahon Point S.C. and may consider a further option in Cork at a later date. Over 50 years on the site, a redevelopment deal was struck between Ward Anderson and Limerick-based developers John Costello and Paul O’Brien (of Mount Kennett Investments) to demolish the valuable premises and reconstuct a new 30,000sq ft department store/retail outlet and 18 overhead apartments. The design for the new structure was by Dungarvan-based The e-Project, but subsequently has met design worries in planning – a significant reassessment of the proposal is currently being undertaken and believed to be near ready – however further issues have arisen since with the propsect of a substantial retail development by a consortium involving investor Joe O’Donovan at properties to the rear and side of the Capitol Cineplex site.

    Those who woe the loss of this historic cinema facility (which probably equals the same amount of persons that will celebrate it! :p ) may take comfort in knowing the further cinema facilities are planned for Cork city down the line. That aside, one site I believe has substantial potential for a nice city centre multiplex facility – as a part element of a larger commercial development – is the site on Sullivans Quay currently occupied by Government Buildings. This site will likely be the subject of a landmark redevelopment at the hands of the successful Revenue Commissioners bidder – a possible proposal could comfortably facilitate a substantial new one-stop entertainment venue with multiplex, ice-rink, nightclubs, bars, retail etc among other elements. Just a thought!

    Speaking of ice-rinks, today saw the launch of Cork’s first synthetic facility called “Skidz” at the former Tall Order restaurant premises on the 1st floor of North Main Street S.C. The facility is being operated by Rod Mellor and Bill Cremin (who I hear have attained deals on extending the franchise to Kerry and Dublin already). The facility is, to be brutally honest, underwhelming – which is a disappointment because it is a great idea. It feels very slapped together and is certainly under-sized. Perhaps the operators will consider developing a more elaborate theme element to the premises over the coming future with good use of light, theme-materials such as artifical “ice-berg” and “igloo” type structures – as is, it is still the Tall Order restaurant with a small L-Shaped creche sized (200 sq m) skating area. Great for small kids no doubt, however there exists a market for a larger, proper ice-facility. Cork could stand to benefit from a larger multi-purpose facility like that at Yerba Buena Gardens/Metreon in San Francisco which has a multiplex, retail and late-night entertainment facility all mixed into a convenient area. A late night skate on the rink before catching a movie and then off to the nightclub anyone? ๐Ÿ˜€



    ๐Ÿ˜Ž The Montgomery Kenneally Partnership & John F. Supple Contractors have notified their intention to develop 74 new affordable homes for private sale in line with Section 8 of the Planning & Development Act 2000 at the rear of the Churchfield Leisure Complex in Gurranabraher. Also announcing a Cork City Council associative housing provision, Deermount Construction will seek to develop 48 or so new homes for private sale also in Gurranabraher at Chaepl Field, nearby.

    John F. Supple Limited and The Montgomery Kenneally Partnership are also involved in a further social-affordable residential scheme at Cogan’s Field along the Boreenmanna Road, currently under construction, for 157 new units designed by Derek Tynan & Associates. 50 of these units will be provided for social-affordable use with 55 apartments and 52 housing units for private/market sale. As for the design…well I let you decide, I have my own feelings on Derek Tynan practice designs and I keep thinking someone must miss the Blackpool flats, but make up your own mind -> here.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ Frinailla have also lodged Significant Further Information regarding their plans for the redevelopment of the former Plumbing Utilities Store along Victoria Cross Road, just south of Top Car Motors. A decision is now expected for the 1st November 2005.

    #758239
    corcaighboy
    Participant

    “A late night skate on the rink before catching a movie and then off to the nightclub anyone? “

    There are already enough dodgy moves on the dancefloors of Cork with or without Skidz! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    #758240
    lexington
    Participant

    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ I know this is a little late, but to acknowledge the opening of the new Henry J. Lyons & Partners Architects offices along South Mall last Spetmeber (2005), I have posted a few images of the Lancaster Quay (Jurys) redevelopment by O’Callaghan Properties below (for your viewing pleasure! ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) – one must note that the images are a little out of date, given that ABP omitted the central 9-storey tower (Block A) element from the project, and some reductions were also made to the neighbouring blocks also. Nonethless, if you can use your imagination, you’ll be able to get some picture of how the project will fair (currently under construction). The entire project will take 3 years in 3 phases, with the first phase steaming ahead – this will include the new 6-storey 4-star 182-bedroom hotel for Jurys and 80 apartment units (Block B). OCP may seek permission to develop a reduced block on the omitted Block A site at a future date – as the option was left open to do so by ABP, however any element will indeed be lower than the original proposal to reduce impacts on St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral as viewed from the quays. Henry J. Lyons & Partners are currently working on other Cork projects such as the รขโ€šยฌ200m golf and holiday resort by X-CES Projects near Kinsale, with the hotel element expected to be operated by Hyatt Hotels; a residential scheme at Knocknaheeny and numerous other schemes. Their arrival on the Cork scene follows the likes of similar moves by O’Mahony Pike Architects (also on South Mall) and Scott Tallon Walker (Cotter Street). It should certainly heat up the architectural market in Cork over the coming months.


    View facing South-East from Lancaster Quay – Jurys Hotel element can be seen to the right.



    #758241
    pier39
    Participant

    ya know, if abp had shown some real insight, they would have cut that block (dont know which one, the one visualised up in those images with the sloping facade) by about 2 storeys and shift block a to the west by a few metres rather than cutting it and allowing the rest of the development proceed as proposed. that would have been a far more intelligent method of maintaining the views of st. finbars cathedral and maintaining the quality of the overall development in its original form.

    however if abp grant water st it all its glory i’ll take my criticism above back!!!! hehe.

    by the way speaking of henry j lyons, has anyone seen their plans for the redeveloped aer lingus hq in dublin airport??! wow!!!!!! thats what i want to see in the cork docklands!!!!!! great use of multi coloured lighting to at night really adds to the magic of the overall design and brings life and depth to the structure.

    #758242
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    any chance of pics of that aer lingus building?

    #758243
    lexington
    Participant

    @daniel_7 wrote:

    any chance of pics of that aer lingus building?

    I’ve posted a new thread with images of the Aer Lingus HQ redevelopment. See New Aer Lingus HQ thread for those visuals. It is a dramatic looking development indeed. Another interesting Henry J. Lyons & Partners design is on the Earthquake Property proposal for Knockrabo in Dublin – well worth investigating.

    #758244
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    Along with everything else going on this week in terms of decisions, ABP are due to rule before Thursday on Frinailla’s Lady’s Well development. Should be an intersting one which ever way it goes.

    #758245
    pier39
    Participant

    @lexington wrote:

    I’ve posted a new thread with images of the Aer Lingus HQ redevelopment. See New Aer Lingus HQ thread for those visuals. It is a dramatic looking development indeed. Another interesting Henry J. Lyons & Partners design is on the Earthquake Property proposal for Knockrabo in Dublin – well worth investigating.

    great looking piece(s)! nice pics there too lex, have a few of my own too but they do it well justice! like i said if anybody wants to know what i want for christmas, its that in the southern docklands of cork. the knockrabo development is a great lookin too. well done to the the henry j boys and perhaps we may see one or 2 of these kind of high imagination designs of theirs grace cork in the future now theyve an office here and all. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #758246
    ewankennedy
    Participant

    @pier39 wrote:

    ya know, if abp had shown some real insight, they would have cut that block (dont know which one, the one visualised up in those images with the sloping facade) by about 2 storeys and shift block a to the west by a few metres rather than cutting it and allowing the rest of the development proceed as proposed. that would have been a far more intelligent method of maintaining the views of st. finbars cathedral and maintaining the quality of the overall development in its original form.

    I see what you mean and i agree. The removal of Block A was a bit of a farse. The second pic gives a pretty good idea of this. Removing the tallest (possibly one of the more interesting elements) makes ya worry bout Water street. But i read somewhere over the weekend that a planner involved with Water street said he was confident of a good outcome as the developers had made appropriate proposals and adjustments to satisfy most objections while maintaining the integrity of the project. I hope so cos it would be a great loss to the city if it didnt get the proper grant. All the best i say,

    #758247
    lexington
    Participant

    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Tonight, Cork City Council will be voting on whether or not to approve and/or alter elements of the recently published North Docklands Area Plan 2005. Numerous submissions on the plan have been made, not least that of Manor Park Homes (MPH) who in response to a call to develop a new event centre on the prominent Horgan’s Quay site, have indicated their belief that a requested capacity for 5,000 seats + is unviable and have offered to investigate a moderate 2,500 seater venue on condition that CCC support increased retail provision on the development site. This request has already been rejected. It will be interesting to hear the details of tonight’s meeting and I’ll try and update you on them tomorrow,

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Also, for those of you interested in Frinailla’s recently lodged Dennehy’s Cross proposal (posted earlier) – visit the dedicated website here.

    #758248
    lexington
    Participant

    As promised, here are 2 images of the Dunnes Stores redevelopment along St. Patrick’s Street, designed by Bertie Pope & Associates – which is, surprisingly, not all that bad. The Bowling Green Street (Western) elevation is a remarkable improvement to the street, and the Drawbridge Street (northern) elevation is indeed an improvement, if a little blocky on top, but nonetheless I think the overall context of the design carries this sufficiently. Recessed upper floors step back from the St. Patrick’s Street facade with an interesting curve-glass deck frontage afforded just out of sight from the street. 102 and 105 are given new new frontages. See for youself below.


    St. Patrick’s Street elevation, upper floors and curved glass frontage just in sight.


    Drawbridge Street elevation, as seen from Emmet Place. The Grand Circle Lounge and J&P premises can be seen to the right – both of which will form part of the Academy Street redevelopment by OCP (of similar height to redeveloped Dunnes).



    North Docklands Area Plan 2005

    Last night’s council meeting (10th October 2005) saw a vote taken to amend the NDAP which will essentially give the Port of Cork a bigger say in the development of the North Docklands – a politically motivated move all the same. Generally, the plan was passed. Manor Park Homes (MPH) amendment request for increased retail provision had been rejected prior to the meeting – other proposed amendments including Building Heights, the removal of wording in the NDAP which calls for ‘Major Office Development’, a new secondary routeway to benefit traffic movements to and from proposed new National Route, reduction in Event Centre size (also rejected), the repositioning of the pedestrian bridge proposed (however this bridge will now be removed from the plan on calls from the Port of Cork) etc. The MPH plan for Horgan’s Quay is not that far removed in terms of layout from previous proposals including that in the NDAP. A new retail, commercial and leisure (incl. restaurants, cafes etc) corridor will be provided south of the existing Kent Station terminal as a natural extension of Alfred Street. A new hotel is earmarked for the corner of Kent Station square – which will likely be of ‘landmark’ status. Residential blocks will then extend the waterfront promenade as far as Water Street. This remains the basic plan, with MPH calling for building heights ranging between 4 and 14 storeys in height. A source with one of the involved agents said that this does not rule out the option of at least one structure of a taller nature which may qualify as a landmark building as designated within the NDAP. It remains to be seen. The same source also indicated that at this moment in time, no set date had been agreed on for lodgement of a planning application despite rumours and media reports to the contrary.



    ๐Ÿ˜Ž Also after viewing the Coughlan de Keyser design for John Cleary Developments’ circa 13,000sq m office and retail showroom development on the former Sifco premises at Mahon, have to say, it’s not what I would regard as CDA’s most imaginative, but nonetheless looks like a generally inoffensive proposal. How it will fair versus office developments at Mahon Point and the NSC will depend; issues of traffic management will also undoubtedly be a large consideration in the planning process given Mahon Point and surrounding areas well known congestion issues.

    #758249
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    Those Dunnes images look very promising. The St. Patrick Street facade is really nice and I’m glad to see that the existing facades aren’t dwarfed by new development to the rear. I did think the application called for retention of 103, 104 and 105 facades so its odd that 105 seems to be altered in the image. Nevertheless, with 102 and 105 matching it does serve to round off the development nicely.
    I’d agree with lexington regarding bowling green street. Nice simple idea but let down by a very blocky top storey. Something that is easily remedied though!
    Although this might seem a strange thing to say, I think what will make or break this development is its treatment of William Street and Bowling Green street. I’d love to see some images of those. In particular street level. These streets should be pedestrianised and ‘free standing’ shops should be catered for here. If you go for the dual door approach of merchants quay, the street access will be closed off in favour of doors to the shopping mall itself- result is the lane remains empty.
    What is tenancy going to be like here?
    Is Dunnes taking the whole thing or will they be merely an anchor tenant of a shopping mall type development?

    #758250
    securityman
    Participant

    For those interested here are some of the names lined up to open in mallow shortly as part of Flemings Market Square Development

      Dunnes Stores
      Heatons
      Game Stop
      Pizza Hut
      Costa Coffee
      Lifestyle sports
      Mods and Minis
      BPM records
      Horgans Pharmacy
      Chartbusters
      Exit
      s-wear
      O’Donovans Off Licence
      Flor Griffen

      #758251
      pier39
      Participant

      @lexington wrote:

      The same source also indicated that at this moment in time, no set date had been agreed on for lodgement of a planning application despite rumours and media reports to the contrary.


      cant say im surprised about the no planning date. think ccc would be foolish to not negotiate on building heights a standard 7 storeys would be utterly boring and difficult to make financially sustainable. as for the offices i agree with manor park here. they should concentrate that sort of development on a phased basis according to the market demand across the river in the south docklands anyway.

      as for dunnes, i have to say it looks pretty darn good. im actually impressed. should do those streets no end of favours. never thought id say it but well done bertie pope and well done dunnes. a big pretty lemon in the middle of our city! yummy!
      still academy street is gonne have to top that ten fold given its prominence, stature and location. oooo the tension!

      #758252
      lexington
      Participant


      ๐Ÿ™‚ Harvery Norman Leasing Limited are set to lodge for planning permission on the former Woodies DIY store along the Kinsale Road. The infamous Australian electrical and utilities retailler are seeking permission for alterations to the circa. 45,000sq ft premises to facilitate a new store, their first in Cork, and 3rd in nationwide. Permission for new signage is also sought, signalling the dawn of a flood more of those annoying Go Harvey Go! radio advertisments on Cork local radio. There’s a downside to good things sometimes you see! ๐Ÿ˜‰



      Water Street Oral Hearing

      A source at the ABP Oral Hearing for Werdna Limited’s Water Street development has informed me on some of the morning’s proceedings. A relatively brief statement was made by Senior Planner Ronnie McDowell on behalf of Cork City Council and it’s position at the commencement of the hearing. Following this, only one resident with the Lower Glanmire Road Residents Association, who appealed the project on a 3rd party basis, is understood to have taken the floor. Following her statement, the applicant representatives were given the opportunity to state their case. First, project architect Sean Kearns with Murray O’Laoire provided the Bord representatives with an overview of the project and its nature, this was followed by an address by Planning Consultant John Crean of Cunnane Strattan Reynolds who provided a comprehensive insight into the development nature from an urban planning perspective and some justifications for its approval. Sean Kearns later outlined a history of the project from its inception, including details of the original plan which called for a 500-unit development arranged in a U-Shaped pattern to face the river and possessing a feature 26-storey tower to act as a significant landmark for Cork. In this outline, Mr. Kearns detailled the timeline and nature of discussions between the applicants and Cork City Council, and their planning consultant Kelvin Campbell with Urban Initiatives. According to the source, the applicants made what appeared to be a relatively solid argument and highlighted notable lapses in CCC planning logic including contradictions in the reasons for condition imposition and details of the proceeding North Docklands Area Plan 2005 publication – contradictions included planning and development intentions for CastleView Terrace, to name but a few. It is hoped that the ABP take note and consider such points in their deliberation which will follow on November 24th 2005. More details later.

      This account is based on source input and is not suppose to represent any specific bias should it so appear.

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