developments in cork
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I wish the Corpo would show the same protection for City Hall, instead of surrounding it with monstrous visual intrusions like the multistory carpark behind it…
Frinailla Ltd. have started to demolish parts of their site at Watercourse Road without planning permission and before ABP have ruled on the appeal which local residents brought against the decision to grant permission by CCC.
I’m astonished that Frinailla couldn’t wait 1 month for a decision (which may well be in their favour) before proceeding. This move will no doubt cause uproar amongst local residents who made submissions and appealled all 8 (at last count 🙂 ) planning applications which have been made by the developers. There is also a high profile campaign being carrried out by former workers in the Meat factory portion of the site who are looking for redundancy payments from their former employer.
Despite the obvious need for re-development in this area, I do not like this type of underhand approach which Frinailla seem to be employing. I doubt whether the decision to begin demolition on a soaking wet Friday was made at random. I’d be confident that little or nothing would be left by Monday morning. Frinailla have really let themselves down with this one!@Radioactiveman wrote:
Frinailla Ltd. have started to demolish parts of their site at Watercourse Road without planning permission and before ABP have ruled on the appeal which local residents brought against the decision to grant permission by CCC.
I’m astonished that Frinailla couldn’t wait 1 month for a decision (which may well be in their favour) before proceeding. This move will no doubt cause uproar amongst local residents who made submissions and appealled all 8 (at last count 🙂 ) planning applications which have been made by the developers. There is also a high profile campaign being carrried out by former workers in the Meat factory portion of the site who are looking for redundancy payments from their former employer.
Despite the obvious need for re-development in this area, I do not like this type of underhand approach which Frinailla seem to be employing. I doubt whether the decision to begin demolition on a soaking wet Friday was made at random. I’d be confident that little or nothing would be left by Monday morning. Frinailla have really let themselves down with this one!I think you may be a little wrong on this one, and i dont know much about planning as such but as far as I know they can demolish buildings proven to be either unsafe with council consent or following local authority grant where the appeal is for the actual development construction and where the buildings have been deemed not to be of any historical or architectural significance. As far as i know they are actual allowed do this…but feel free to correct me cos i looked into this when the O’flynns demolish the old sorting office before getting planning on Eglinton street.
I see what you’re saying Ewan, but
(a) As far as I’m aware, the appeal was related to both the demolision and construction of the proposed building.
(b) The building already demolished could not have been unsafe due to it being in constant public use up until a few weeks ago.
(c) The developers are very unlikely to have had Council consent since a warning letter was sent to Frinailla by the Council when these early demolitions were first rumoured.The ABP decision is due on the 13th October.
@Thomond Park wrote:
Well, I know what I’m doing for the weekend 🙂
@Radioactiveman wrote:
I see what you’re saying Ewan, but
(a) As far as I’m aware, the appeal was related to both the demolision and construction of the proposed building.
(b) The building already demolished could not have been unsafe due to it being in constant public use up until a few weeks ago.
(c) The developers are very unlikely to have had Council consent since a warning letter was sent to Frinailla by the Council when these early demolitions were first rumoured.The ABP decision is due on the 13th October.
Well i dunno, but I don’t understand why they would do something like that if they know its going to cause trouble…unless their friends with Jim mansfield and the T&C partnership! :rolleyes: I’m sure theres a perfectly good reason.
I was walking along Cornmarket street earlier and see the works on the Guy and company site is proceeding nicely. Buildings to the side of the Musgrave building have been demolished and the red-brick facade seems almost freestanding now. Think a post said here that excavations were due to be finished this month and construction work would go ahead thereafter.
I think 2006 will be a good year for Cork development. 2005 was good but i think we’ll see some big changes next year as some of the projects put forward this year come into action. By the end of this year i’m sure we’ll see new tower cranes over the School of music. Parnell place hotel, Cornmarket street, Ladyswell(?), maybe Grand parade plaza???? (at long last!), UCC Boole library, and another over Jurys? Hopefully it’ll be bright in the night skies of Cork this Christmas!!!! 😀
And the start of next year? More cranes over Eglinton street, Paul kenny’s Revenue commisioner building (i hope), Water street (I also hope) and maybe the Clontarf street and Deane street office buildings? I get excited seeing our city develop in a good way and always think the sight of these cranes is the most visual demonstration of these changes and their impending arrival!
well if eglington st, school of music etc. are anything to go by, the future is not too shabby for cork and its great to see the city going up if ever so slowly!!!
@ewankennedy wrote:
And the start of next year? More cranes over Eglinton street, Paul kenny’s Revenue commisioner building (i hope), Water street (I also hope) and maybe the Clontarf street and Deane street office buildings? I get excited seeing our city develop in a good way and always think the sight of these cranes is the most visual demonstration of these changes and their impending arrival!
Have to say I’m looking forward to hearing the outcome on the above projects – of the buildings in the running for the RC tenancy, I do think the Kenny proposal is by far the most striking given it’s design and location. The Water Street Oral Hearing is awaited anxiously and I hope it works out positively, as for Clontarf and Deane Street proposals, the former is currently in Further Information, but I believe is a genuinely interesting proposal and should add interestingly to this exciting development area. Deane Street is due a decision next Tuesday, September the 13th 2005. We should also note the advent of proposals at Albert Quay and Anderson’s Quay.
Settling weeks of speculation and rumours, it is now confirmed that Paul Montgomery & Edmund Kenneally look set to operate a new 734sq m, dual level bar at Castlethorn Construction’s €300m Dundrum Town Centre in Dublin. The premises will have elevational/street frontage and similar to Scotts on Caroline Street, operate a busy food service during the day. Bannon Commercial acted as brokers on the deal with the Montgomery/Kenneally Partnership expected to pay in the region of €350,000 p.a. in rent. Unconfirmed reports suggest the name of the premises will operate as ‘Winters’. The rumours had been prompted by a source involved some time ago, but can now be officiated – the operators are involved in popular Cork venues Reardens and Scotts, as well as having development interests at Victoria Cross (Victoria Mills), Cobh, Douglas, Boreenmanna Road and a number of other projects.
Surprise surprise…. would’nt ya know Cork would win the all Ireland again. Bad luck for Galway though, but the better team won in the end. I presume it will be quite in here tonight (and tomorrow morning too), lol.
Come on the Rebels! 😀Its good to see the lads opening a bar in Dundrum because there is enough pubs down this end of the country run by Dubs
🙁 Unfortunately the images of the Crow’s Nest redevelopment will have to wait for a little while yet. However, in their absence I can tell you a brief description of the development which includes 74 1, 2 & 3-bedroom apartments throughout a 6 to 15-storey building, 112 basement car-parking spaces over 2 levels, a new restaurant, bar and 4 commercial units all on a .266 hectare site (0.65 acres) including the premises of the Crow’s Nest and one dwelling to it’s immediate south, 1-4 Victoria Terrace and MP Crowley Machinery Storage premises (for images see initial post highlighting this development – approx. 2 pages back). The building is designed chiefly by Tom Hegarty with Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects (RORSA) and reaches a height of approx. 50m (54m including the spire). The building is finished with a predominantly grey and green colour scheme with material finishes including zinc cladding, steel, glass and stone. The tower element is relatively T-Shaped in nature with the lower end of the T facing Victoria Cross – balconies adorn the south and northern elevations. In some ways, the building actually reminds me of the Kenny Group proposal for a 14-storey hotel at South Main Street (50 Grand Parade) designed by James Leahy & Associates, meshed with Cork County Hall. I hope to have images in the future and will allow you judge for yourselves. My own opinion…well I’ll keep that to myself for the time being I think. 😉
🙂 I have been impressed with James Leahy & Associates of late, and the project led by architect James Bourke for John & Michael O’Dwyer’s plans along Hanover Street at 20 and 22, reaffirms the practice’s edgy and inspired designs of late. The 6-storey scheme is being lodged in 2 seperate applications providing a total of 23 new 1 & 2 bedroom apartments, a commercial unit and roof gardens. This colourful scheme makes extensive use of black slate cladding, timber, stainless steel etc and has an attractive feature ventilation flute at roof level – the flute is blue glass which illuminates interally at night making for a nice aesthetic feature at roof-top. Given the variation in general residential floor heights and office floor heights, the scheme at 6-storeys is somewhat lower than the 7-storey office scheme at Clarke’s Bridge which adjoings this development, designed by Coughlan de Keyser and which is currently in Further Information. A very attractive little scheme that should breathe new life into this otherwise overlooked street-scape.
*UPDATES*😮 A decision is due on Oyster Developments’ plans to construct a 7-storey office building at Deane Street tomorrow (Tuesday, 13th September 2005). The building represents the 1st of 2 phases to redevelop this premises to the rear of No.8 Parnell Place and bracing the revamp Bus Station parking bay. The 2nd phase, which will include the renovation and incorporation of No.8 Parnell Place (a P.S.) into the development, is awaiting a decision for later on this month. The project is designed by Sabine Wittman of The e-Project and images of the project may be found earlier on in this thread. The e-Project is also involved in a revision of the project proposed by John Costello & Mount Kennett Investments, which seeks to redevelop the Capitol Cineplex on Grand Parade as a new 30,000sq ft Department Store (to which Arnotts was rumoured to be attached) and 18 over-head apartments – however, the design and finishes were deemed insufficient, among other things. Significant Further Information on the project was requested by planner Michael Lynch.
😮 Denis Scannell has applied to develop 2 new 2-storey commercial and office unit blocks at Hollyhill Shopping Centre – it will comprise part of what is believed to be a redevelopment of the northside S.C. in coming months. :confused:
🙂 An application for a redevelopment of the Muskerry Service Station, a prominent 0.6acre site along the Western Road (next to UCC and a substantial redevelopment by OCP of the former Jurys Doyle Hotel lands) which sold earlier this year through CBRE Gunne from vendors Esso Ireland for a figure in excess of €8m – is believed to be not far off. The service station, which was due to close this October, is now not expected to seize operations until a later date, supposedly late December 2005. Assessments are being carried out on the site with a planning application speculated to follow in the not too distant future.@securityman wrote:
Hi Lex will that be the complete line up for Ballincollig or will there be room for more shops also cos I think they will struggle after a while with that line up because Dixons are the only major draw and i expect them to locate in the city at some stage. I see that Market Square is due to open at the end of next month with Heatons, Game Stop, Costa Coffee, Pizza Hut and possibly lifestyle sports any news on that one lex. I also heard Pizza hut are opening a restaurant in phase two of blackpool retail park.
is market square the new development in midelton or mallow?
@daniel_7 wrote:
is market square the new development in midelton or mallow?
Mallow, I was down on site today and it looks a nice set up on the first floor there is a number of shops and a cinema on the next level is residential and there is car parking spaces for 450 underneath. It is set to open next month there is also retail and residential across from the main square included in this is Heatons. I know who the main tenants are but it is to be kept secret until everything is sorted out with contracts etc but its no suprise.
Whats the story with Fota Retail Park…. I heard all sorts about it ages ago but nothing since then. Is it even built yet, if so, who occupies it? Motor Mall and large DIY and Toy store chains linked to it. It’s also supposed to be linked to the railway line at Carrigtohill when it gets a new train station.
@A-ha wrote:
Whats the story with Fota Retail Park…. I heard all sorts about it ages ago but nothing since then. Is it even built yet, if so, who occupies it? Motor Mall and large DIY and Toy store chains linked to it. It’s also supposed to be linked to the railway line at Carrigtohill when it gets a new train station.
See the link below:
Developers: Dan Mulvihill & Joe Carey
Architects: Deady Gahan ArchitectsI passed by the proposed retail park on Saturday, Construction work has begun. From the development map found on the link posted by Lex it looks as if they have started on the motormall
@shrink2cork wrote:
Can you help me with this question, What is ment by “Implications to part 5 planning”
Part V of the Planning & Development Act 2000 was enacted on November 1st 2000 and generally refers to the issues of a 20% provision to Social/Affordable uses. The Section has generally to do with providing a housing balance, it applies to proposals set on zoned residential or mixed-use lands – though developments of units equal to 4 or less, are generally exempt. So too may certain developments, irresepective of unit numbers on sites equal to or less than 1 acre (0.2 hectares – this was amended to 0.1 hectare as of April 2002). Exemption certificates may be attained from the Local Authority subject to negotiation – failure to attain an exemption certificate can be appealed to the Circuit Court. Generally developers must highlight how they intend to deal with Part V of the Act at the time of agreed pre-planning negotiation or in their application. Land transfers from the developer to the L.A. may in some cases be used to satisfy Part V requirements.
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