developments in cork
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@Radioactiveman wrote:
CCC have also refused permission for James Ronayne’s 3 storey retail (3 units) and apartment (8) building on Thomas Davis Street, Blackpool. The report found that the proposed development would result in “over-development of the site (and) would produce a living environment of low amenity value.”
This place is quickly turning into the shopping channel 🙁A bit rich considering they sold him the bloody site…. Noel Riordan stricks again!!!
@Too many forms! wrote:
A bit rich considering they sold him the bloody site…. Noel Riordan stricks again!!!
I don’t think a CCC site sale can or should automatically guarantee planning approval. In this case, Mr. Ronayne submitted a proposal only altered slightly from his previous refused attempt for planning on this site. Both proposals were designed by O’Shea Leader. There are elements of the report in which I agree with the planner, for example, 2 of the units fell below the minimum standard of size for an apartment of this layout – and I would agree that such standards should be enforced (heaven knows there are enough tissue box accommodations in place). However it may also be argued such a fault could be amended by condition followed by revised drawings submitted for approval prior to construction. The design itself is moderate – nothing outstanding – but it did bar higher than many proposals which have successfully been processed through the planning system, and in this respect, I would not agree it was a satisfactory excuse for refusal. The plot to unit ratio worked out at something like 35.5 units to 1 acre – which given the urban nature of the location and zoning for such development, I wouldn’t argue as being excessive. The reasons stated of excessive height (10m, I think, correct me if I’m wrong), massing and scale could be argued – but I would agree with the unit size issues, although I believe these could have easily been amended, even through F.I.
I agree that some of the subject planner’s deliberations confuse me at times, I suppose I personally find them difficult to call on occasion – however, I still don’t see any reason why this particular site can’t aim for something a little higher on the aesthetical chain either. Give Blackpool something to talk about. 😮
On that, Sean Mhuileann is receiving it’s finishing touches – opinions? :confused:
@lexington wrote:
Possibly – just info regarding a speculative site sale on Washington Street, but it is only that – ‘speculative’ – for the time being. Removed it because I don’t want it to go up without a little more ‘backup’.
not too many sites available on Washington Street at the moment.
@mickeydocs wrote:
not too many sites available on Washington Street at the moment.
Well the talk regarded one premises that will come with FPP. The planning process was well documented on these forums. But it’s all purely speculative at this point. A sale may solve SOME tenancy issues and provide a nice little cash injection.
@lexington wrote:
Well the talk regarded one premises that will come with FPP. The planning process was well documented on these forums. But it’s all purely speculative at this point. A sale may solve SOME tenancy issues and provide a nice little cash injection.
70’s tv cop series connection 😉
On a recent visit to Cork I noticed the huge amount of PVC windows particurly around South Mall and Grand Parade. Could Cork be the PVC capital of Ireland?
Riga Limited have been given permission to build the new vehicular and pedestrian access bridge to their new Jury’s Doyle Hotel site on the Western Road. The company had to re-apply for the bridge elelment of the development because the original bridge was not single-span in design.
I notice Sidney McElhinney has finally started work at his site 7-11 Watercourse Road. This will be four floors in height with c. 20 apartments and retail and parking on ground floor. This development was reduced in height by planners because of its proximity to Maddens Buildings which are protected.
Anybody have any images of the development?Since you asked lex, I like Seann Muilleann on the Mallow Road. Its big, its brass and it sits well along side Hewitts Mill. The one thing I have a problem with is the entrance area of the main building – the big one!
Whoever designed it was obviously sitting in a car at the time. It really doesnt cater for the pedestrain very well. the pedestrian access is wedged beteen two large carpark access routes! It just looks a bit ugly down there. Looking up though its a very likeable design- nothing groundbreaking but fits well. I believe the original design had a straight front rather than the curved almost coliseum like facade it has now. Wouldn’t have been half as good.
Does anybody know what is going on at the main gates of UCC on Western road? The left hand gate pillar now has a strange metal contraption on top of it – i watched people with scaffolding attach it there. Is it art? is it some sort of secret listening device? You tell me.😮 Another high-rise plan is set to be lodged soon with CCC – this time the proposal is set for Victoria Cross.
When I previously mentioned other high-rise plans were in formulation for Cork, I had some idea of this project however, I’ll be honest I was unaware it would be going for planning so soon. Developers Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy will apply to demolish their Crow’s Nest premises along with Victoria Terrace (1 to 4) and the M.P. Crowley premises to the rear of the famous pub’s car-park. The development will consist of a mixed residential and commercial building generally 6-storeys but with a landmark 15-storey tower all over a dual-deck basement car-park for 112 spaces, accessed from the Carrigrohane ‘Straight’ Road. The elements of the development contain 74 apartments (6 one bedroom, 64 two bedroom and 4 three-bedroom), 4 ground floor commercial units totalling 937.8m sq, a new ground floor pub, deli area and 1st floor restaurant which is believed will continue the Crow’s Nest operation. A terrace garden will be provided for residents on the first floor level. The development is positioned in an area zoned suitable for high-rise development – however it will be a tough planning ride given the nature of surrounding residencies and the protected structure status of Cork County Hall which the new tower will pose in front of. The Crow’s Nest premises, somewhat of a local institution, was almost destroyed by fire damage last year – some restoration efforts were put in place, but halted in light of this new development prospect. Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects are to provide the design with McCutheon Mulcahy acting as Planning Consultants on the project. Images and more details soon.
View east to west of the Crow’s Nest and Victoria Terrace – with Cork County Hall in the background.mickeydocs wrote:70’s tv cop series connection ]😀 That was my guess too. I thought plans were already undeway there though, pictures were up here or in the other Cork thread.
@lexington wrote:
😮 Another high-rise plan is set to be lodged soon with CCC – this time the proposal is set for Victoria Cross.
Nobody can possibly justify the destruction of Victoria Terrace. It’s no wonder the residents in the area are so pi**ed off
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Nobody can possibly justify the destruction of Victoria Terrace. It’s no wonder the residents in the area are so pi**ed off
I’m not sure there the term ‘nobody can possibly justify’ is perhaps steadfast, but I do agree that it’s a cute little terrace – and apparently No.1 Victoria Terrace (according to Cork ‘folklore’ ]
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Ireland’s apparent smallest 2-storey house! No.1 Victoria Terrace.
The Crow’s Nest redevelopment site with relation to Victoria Cross (seen in background is Victoria Mills, with Phase 2 under construction, and new UCC student accommodation under development by Fleming Construction).15-storey Crow’s Nest Redevelopment Plan for Victoria Cross
Incidentally RM, the planner’s report on the OCP (Riga Limited)’s new bridge linking the Western Road to the new Jurys redevelopment praised the bridge’s architectural design – a nice nod to Henry J. Lyons & Partners.
As for the Crow’s Nest again, it will be difficult for the design to stoop to the depths of Victoria Mills and new UCC accommodation – that’s not a knock at the respective developers – but those 2 developments have done the aesthetics of the area no real justice.In an area not too far from Victoria Cross… What is happening at Carmelite Terrace? I noticed all the houses have boarded up windows, so I’m guessing that some developer has got his hands on the lot of them and is planning something for the site.
Carmelite Terrace is the terrace of houses between the Mardyke athletics track and the former greyhound stadium.
Yes, from the very first image you posted I can see that any significant highrise would have an effect on the view of County Hall from the city. What with the amount being spent on its clean-up, do we really want to blot it out?
As regards the historical/architectural significance of Victoria Terrace, it may be limited but when conserving our architectural past we should really avoid preserving the spectacular only. It is important that we preserve even the more mundane, domestic examples of Cork’s architectural heritage.
This reminds me of reading a book of old photographs of Cork- the author noted that many pictures of the grand streetscapes contain many horses working away as one would expect. However, as far as he was aware- no pictures whatever exist of the vast stables which must have housed these horses.
I’m getting off the point here, but what i’m trying to say is that just because its small and its no Brown Thomas, doesnt mean it’s open for demolition. The Crows Nest building too is a fine commercial building.
Honestly, the local residents have been proved right if you look at the hideousness that is most of the Student high rises in the area.Jungle with regard to Carmelite Terrace- same thing happening here. Planning is being sought for their demolition and apartments to be put in their place. Some people have no cop-on at all!!
@jungle wrote:
In an area not too far from Victoria Cross… What is happening at Carmelite Terrace? I noticed all the houses have boarded up windows, so I’m guessing that some developer has got his hands on the lot of them and is planning something for the site.
Carmelite Terrace is the terrace of houses between the Mardyke athletics track and the former greyhound stadium.
See link below:
Carmelite Place – Part DeuxThe design is by James Bourke with James Leahy & Associates, it peaks at 3 storeys (4 levels) to the north and lowers to 2-storeys (3 levels) to the south fronting the AIB. It is a little boxy but nonethelss a clever design – the jury is out on a firm opinion! :p
On or about 15 storeys seems to be about the magic figure for new towers in Cork isn’t it? 😉
It would be nice to see some more variety in height, I’d have thought, some taller, some shorter.
Looking forward to pictures of this one though.
Here’s some images of what the County Hall will look like when it’s done. Somebody was looking for it a few pages back I think.
If I’m being honest, I have to say that the little row of what looks to be almost invaluable houses on Victoria Terrace are awful. Small pokey little houses give me the creeps, I feel claustrophobic (spelling?) just by looking at them. But I also believe that some of Ireland’s most beautiful buildings were knocked, because people thought that they were hidious at the time. I feel very mixed at the moment about the proposed development. Surely people will look back in a few years at the houses and say awwww, aren’t they lovely, as apposed to were’nt they lovely. But I cant say they’ll do the same about the Victoria cross developments… fancy shoeboxes, whatever you want to call them. I hope though, that this new development will have some class to it and not just something that was thrown together in a few hours. Can’t wait to see pics.
While we’re on the topic, here are some up-to-date images of Cork County Hall (CCH)’s redevelopment. Design is by Shay Cleary Associates, construction is by Rohcon, engineers and facade engineers are Arup Consulting. The project is on schedule for a November completion. Click on thumbnails for larger image.
Eastern Elevation of CCH – looking west (new atrium and office building can be seen in bottom left)
Close-up of the climate sensitive exoskelton being applied on the western elevation of the building. By completion, the adjustable panels will wrap around the entire building acting as a natural source of ventilation and insulation.Note: Images are large and may take some time to load, depending on the speed of your connection.
On the subject, with consideration to the Crow’s Nest redevelopment, one most consider the proposal in an empirical perspective. The recent sale of the former Coca-Cola Bottling facility to the west of CCH will likely be considered/assessed/investigated for high-rise development as well – in terms of strategic urban planning, consider centralising our tall buildings in the 2 zoned areas of Victoria Cross and at the Docklands. :confused: Just a thought.
And who_me – Cork’s tallest development proposal has yet to be lodged. 😉– in terms of strategic urban planning, consider centralising our tall buildings in the 2 zoned areas of Victoria Cross and at the Docklands. Just a thought.
The French have it worked out for us already as usual. A few years back, Tour Montparnasse was built in Paris’ city centre. After it’s completion, it was vowed that it was to be Paris’ first and last skyscraper. Although pretty in design, it stood out like a sore thumb against the classical and grand, gold leaf covered buildings of Paris. What did they do you say? They designated La Defénse (a Parisian suburb) to cater for all of the skyscrapers, as opposed to overshadowing the historical palaces and museums of Paris. Now, the city centre is high-rise free, apart from the original Tour Montparnasse and the obvious Eiffle Tower, leaving the zoned areas of the suburbs to cater for some of Europes tallest buildings.
Tour Montparnasse1
Tour Montparnasse2
Tour Montparnasse3
View From Top
Have a look at the last picture, visible is The Eiffle Tower and in the distance is a cluster of skyscrapers, La Defénse.😎 O’Sheas (Builders) Limited have been granted planning for 60 of their proposed 73 units (proposal following revised plans subsequent of F.I.) along Farranlea Road by ABP following appeal. The appeal was brought to ABP by O’Sheas Limited themselves and on a third-party basis which included the Farranlea Road Residents Association and Fine Gael city councillor and former Lord Mayor, Colm Burke. The unit numbers permitted fall pretty much in line with CCC grant conditions. The O’Shea site is located on their former building stores premises to the side and rear of the Top Car facility (not their showrooms nearby at Victoria Cross). The 60 residential units, a mix of apartment and dwelling house units, will be constructed in a series of blocks over a basement car-park for 70 vehicles, with a complimentary parking area at surface level for a further 20 spaces. RKD were responsible for the design and McCutcheon Mulcahy acted as planning consultants. O’Shea (Builders) Limited will construct the project themselves.
😎 Cork County Council have permitted the development of a new hotel at Owenahinch, Little-Island. The 207-bedroom proposal is being developed by Irish & European Properties (Dublin) and will include a conference centre, swimming pool, spa and other leisure facilities, car parking, restaurant, bar and 2 retail units.
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