developments in cork
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@altuistic wrote:
A frontage on Patricks St, Grand Parade and Oliver Plunkett st is pretty impressive. ………. I would be dead oppose to anything that takes away from the market, one of Corks most important and unique attractions. Any massing that impacts the facades or interior of the market should be resisted.
Agreed, anything that endangers this Cork institution would be unnacceptable. The Market already has frontage onto St. Patrick’s Street. The Grand Parade and Oliver Plunkett street and this concept (it could hardly be called a development at this stage) might result in the market itself being smothered by new development. Almost like extending the market..but not, if you know what i’m getting at – the market would be a central core with these kind of leeches hanging off either end :p
I don’t mean to dispell the notion entirely. The above is a worst case scenario. I partly guessed the PoundStore was being looked at for something like this. I’d agree with Lexington, a lot depends on the outcome of the Capitol’s redesign. If that isn’t up to scratch, people won’t be happy to allow further encroachment in the English Market locality!@ewankennedy wrote:
Isnt Water street suppose to be due its appeal decision by now??
I believe that September the 19th 2005 was the day earmarked for a decision – however it is my understanding that Werdna are still awaiting confirmation of an Oral Hearing date with the Bord. That’s the last I heard from the Dock Road, but things may have since advanced. Fingers will be tightly crossed. 😮
@securityman wrote:
I think the idea of including the english market would be a great idea and a totally different shopping experience possibly even calling the whole development the english market. Its a pity that the brog and qube complex will be knocked though because I fear cork is losing too many pubs and clubs in recent years. Can anybody confirm that the roundy on daunt square is to be turned into a phone shop and what is happening with lebowskis on marlboro st. With the increased population we need more places for leisure and entertainment so the planners need to be carefull of getting rid of small pubs etc areound the city.
It’s a real pity – the Bróg and Qube are (were?) unique in Cork, late night establishments 7 nights a week with no admission charge. The Bróg in particular, with it’s use of the alleyway access to the English market at night time – very interesting. Important to remember too – we’ve lost 5 venues (licenses?) here, not 2: The Hairy Lemon, The Bróg, the Cránnog, The Qube and Cocos.
Very popular with foreign students/tourists. Even more so the Roundy / Rhino Rooms. It’s a very attractive little establishment at the top of Cornmarket St., when that’s looking a bit more respectable it’ll be a fine view. It’d make a great pub/cafe/small restaurant. Please not another phone shop – it’s not as if anyone’s scratching their heads wondering why to buy a phone these days!
As we’re on the subject of the decline in pub numbers in Cork, here’s a piece from The Irish Independent of Friday 26th August last. I had meant to post it earlier, but now seems like an oppurtune time.
The capital gains as Leeside loses 50pc of its pubs
Ralph RiegelTHE long-running rivalry between Dublin and Cork took a new twist yesterday when it emerged that the capital is taking pubs from the southern city.
Dublin’s booming hotel, pub and off-licence sector has been achieved by a haemhorraging of drink licences out of other areas, particularly in Cork.
The law whereby one pub licence must be “extinguished” before another pub or hotel bar can be opened has led to a situation where the number of pubs in Cork city has dropped by over 50pc in the past 20 years.
Cork city currently has an estimated 250 pubs – down from around 400 in the mid-1980s. The decline in pub numbers is even more stark in Cork county, where an estimated 1,000 pubs now remain – down from between 1,800 and 2,000 pubs just 20 years ago.
Rural parts of Waterford, Tipperary and Limerick have also been affected as Dublin’s pub boom continues.
Con Dennehy, former chief of the Vintners’ Federation of Ireland in Cork, said that while pub numbers have declined in all parts of Ireland, Leeside has been particularly badly hit.
“It really has been the end of an era here in Cork. Parts of the city that would historically have had a dozen or so pubs now have possibly one or two left. Some areas have none at all.”
The closure of pubs – and the transfer of their licences to hotels, off-licences and pubs in Dublin – has been particularly acute over the past decade.
“I suppose it was a simple question of economics – Dublin was offering great money for licences and it was increasingly difficult for small family pubs to maintain profitable operations in Cork city centre,” Mr Dennehy said.
The Dennehy family pub, established on Cork’s Coal Quay in 1956, once competed alongside 12 other premises, but by the mid-1990s, Coal Quay was left with just Dennehy’s, though two new premises have since opened.
Some parts of the city now have no pubs. The famous Lavitt’s Quay district, adjacent to Cork Opera House and various restaurants, once boasted five successful premises. Now it has just one.
Even on famous “drinking” streets, such as Shandon Street and Barrack Street, pressure on pub numbers has inexorably led to the closure of premises.
“I’d say that the number of pubs in the city has declined by between 30pc and 50pc over the past two decades, and the simple fact is that most of those licenses have gone to so-called “superpubs” in Dublin or off-licenses,” Mr Dennehy said.
Yet, while Cork’s pub numbers have plummeted, the total square footage of licensed premises has actually increased as the small, family-owned pubs have been replaced with large modern pubs.
Article Ends
That article was adjacent to a piece which mentioned that Dublin’s new Clarion Hotel in the South Docks had bought and extinguished the liquor licence attached to the former pub of Thomas Scriven, Tower Street, Cork.
To borrow a phrase from the newly crowned leader of the PROC Eddie Hobbs (All Hail!) we could soon be very lightly “pubbed” in this part of the country.The long awaited Cork School of Music project is finally set to go ahead after a six-year delay.
A contract for the €60 million building was agreed this afternoon between the Department of Education and German building contractors, Hochtief Developments Limited.
The new school of music, which will accommodate 400 full-time and 2,000 part-time students, is being built by public-private partnership and will be open for the beginning of the academic year in September 2007.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
The long awaiting Cork School of Music project is finally set to go ahead after a six-year delay.
A contract for the €60 million building was agreed this afternoon between the Department of Education and German building contractors, Hochtief Developments Limited.
So I hear, work is due to get on site for the end of September, but I’ll believe it when I see it and a Sisk tower crane standing tall :rolleyes: . Here’s hoping! It’s long long over-due.
Also see
Department of Education Press Release
RTE News
Is that yet another new bridge I see in that picture?
Sounds to me like an insidious form of land reclamation!! 😀
Seriously though, great news, the design looks great.
Firstly, a light rail system should be kept out of the Glanmire area. Think of all the hassle it would produce! Also, Radioactiveman, I think that not as many pubs are needed nowadays, people have left the dingy backwash and started to go the “café culture” way. Like there aren’t enough coffee shops in Cork as it is, yet they keep opening, and apparently, due to popular demand. But I’ve never heard of The Hairy Lemon (laughing as he types) where was it???, it sounds like something from a Harry Potter book. Great news about the School of Music, at last a proper building to house the students without relying on pre-fabs. And, lastly, it would be great if the English Market was opened up more to the public, I think that some people don’t go in there because they think it’s really higgildy piggildy and are afraid of it. It’s one of my favourite places in Cork (besides the smell of fish in soy sauce), because, once again back to the Harry Potteresque thing, it reminds me of Diagon Alley for some reason (for those who watched/read Harry Potter). It’s old worldly and I just don’t think it gets the credit it deserves.
@lexington wrote:
Actually, the other pictures are a little deceptive. This is the one, for me, that gives an indication of the true size of the building. It’s a big ‘un!
im genuinely delighted by the news on the school of music. only hope it gets underway as soon as possible. this project has been stalled for too long and its a shame the students and city at large has been deprived of such a facility. the design always appeared a little bulky to me but i have to say it grows on ya and i think it will add to the city in its own unique way.
as for the plans involving oliver plunkett st, patricks street, grand parade, english mkt and all that i have to say the idea is appealing but it will have to be most sensitive and careful about how its put together. all in all a good day.
Incidentally Radioactiveman, lexington; there are differences between the School of Music shots you’ve both posted – do you know which are more recent?
@A-ha wrote:
Firstly, a light rail system should be kept out of the Glanmire area. Think of all the hassle it would produce! Also, Radioactiveman, I think that not as many pubs are needed nowadays, people have left the dingy backwash and started to go the “café culture” way. Like there aren’t enough coffee shops in Cork as it is, yet they keep opening, and apparently, due to popular demand. But I’ve never heard of The Hairy Lemon (laughing as he types) where was it???, it sounds like something from a Harry Potter book.
The Hariy Lemon was a pub adjacent to the Bróg before it expanded (ground and first floor, on the left hand side), the Cránnóg was on the other side (ground floor only). I don’t know what happened to the licenses when they were subsumed into the Bróg.
Ah, the nostalgia. The Bróg and the Liberty were two of my college day haunts, the Lib’s gond and the Brógs on the way out. Pity.
I know we’re wandering off-topic here, but I think the problem is less about the basic number of cafes and bars, but the opening hours too. Most cafes seem to close up at 6 meaning the streets can get very quiet in the evenings, even in mid summer. And the Bróg and Qube were the only two establishments I know of which opened late 7 nights a week – a big complaint I hear from visitors about other bars in the city.
Cork – thriving before 6 and at the weekend, deathly quiet otherwise.
who_me wrote:Incidentally Radioactiveman, lexington]Same images – just different angles. Also I think there is some variation in the montage colourations, but it’s the same building.
@lexington wrote:
Same images – just different angles. Also I think there is some variation in the montage colourations, but it’s the same building.
Really? If you look at the first image in your post and the last in Radioactiveman’s, it’s hard to believe the perspective is so misleading – the roof’s lines look a lot cleaner in the images he posted.
Edited – ‘cos brain doesn’t wake up until the late afternoon! 😮
We definetly need the cafes to stay open later for a place to and relax chill out especially on a lovely evening like last night. Did anyone see Eddie Hobbs on tele last night fair play to him for showing nice parts of the city centre careys lane and french church st they looked well on tele.
@mickeydocs wrote:
anything interesting?
Possibly – just info regarding a speculative site sale on Washington Street, but it is only that – ‘speculative’ – for the time being. Removed it because I don’t want it to go up without a little more ‘backup’.
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