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  • #757933
    Anonymous
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    I was just reading the plan for cornmarket street on the city councils website and it sounds good but a long way of yet, but i was just thinking is it just me or is there a furniture store on the loft site that they talk about in the plan that should be redeveloped,cause it says in the plan it should be redeveloped for higher order retail in accordance with the guys site at the latest? And does anyone know what the story is with the kyrls quay site is, are they trying to get that off the ground?And one last thing, does anyone have any news on the wharehouse site adjoining the eglinton site or the reliance building?

    #757934
    Radioactiveman
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    News that will bring a smile to any true Cork Person:
    The new terminal being built at Cork International Airport will be serviced by Lennox’s Fish and Chip Shop!!
    Yes, according to this evening’s Echo, Lennox’s will be one of the restaurants taking up residence in the terminal’s Food Hall, along with Mahers Coffee, Arbutus Bread and Belvelly Smoked Salmon.
    Also included will be Lir Cafe, Subway, a Hughes and Hughes Bookshop, a Londis Outlet and a new bar: The Red Bar.
    Kylemore and other concession holders in the old terminal will loose out.

    #757935
    jungle
    Participant

    Any chance they’ll let us buy a newspaper after we’ve gone through security, or is that too much to ask?

    #757936
    lexington
    Participant

    🙂 Pierse Construction are working away on site at the lands of the former Ursuline Convent in Blackrock. Along with Firestone Developments, Pierse Construction have initiated a joint venture with Kieran Coughlan & Claire O’Riordan (Lyonshall Limited) on the €200m plan they succeeded in attaining permission for; a scheme of ultimately 550 residential units comprising a mix of houses, duplexes and apartments designed by O’Mahony Pike Architects. The overall development is planned in phases, with the 1st Phase set to constitute approx. 180 new homes – Pierse had originally signed to commit to the 1st Phase, however it is now understood that they are set to embark on full project particpation. Lisney Cork and Hooke & MacDonald in Dublin will be handling sales, which are due to be launched in September 2005 – with first completions on the scheme expected for Autumn 2006. The project is to be marketed as “Eden”.

    😉 Just on O’Mahony Pike Architects’ schemes in Cork, the firm are set to have their presence felt strongly across the city over the coming years. Long ago, I remarked in a post regarding the practice’s opening of a Cork office, that the move would allow the firm facilitate what would be a busy time for them throughout Leeside – well with Frinailla expected to lodged plans for their Dennehy’s Cross scheme soon, and proposals supposedly on schedule for an October lodgement regarding Manor Park Homes’ Horgan’s Quay redevelopment – we can be sure OMP will be having a significant impact on some of Cork’s most noteworthy developments. And that’s not all either…

    🙂 You may remember I mentioned not so long ago that bookshop/newsagents Hughes & Hughes were looking to push into the Cork market – well, it would now look as if this is set right to proceed with the retailler operating 2 new stores at the new €140m terminal at Cork Airport – which is scheduled to open to traffic in Spring 2006.

    😉 And also, news from a respectable inside party, informs that plans for a new, predominantly office, building is being planned for the Doyle Warehouse 0.2 acre premises along Albert Quay which sold, ultimately, for a figure over €8m after months of to-and-fro between 2 rival bidders. Speculation is now abound regarding the fate of the premises which lies between the Doyle site and Albert Quay House (now being redeveloped as a new WebWorks by Howard Holdings), it is believed the 2 centre properties (including Twill Ltd premises) may be controlled by O’Flynn Construction and Ascon Gable Holdings – however the party couldn’t offer any details into that issue. It is expected that an application may be made on the premises before the year end, unfortunately, nothing more specific could be offered from the source at the time, other than keep your eyes on it. But I’ll keep checking up! :p



    I recently was asked about images of the new Victoria Cross student scheme under construction by Fleming Construction, on behalf of UCC. The scheme will provide for 45 new student apartments over 5 blocks ranging from 4/5 storeys over basement car-park. The design is by Bertie Pope & Associates. The image below was formulated in a time before Victoria Mills and does not incorporate either Phase 1 (completed) or Phase 2 (under construction). I actually did post an alternative image of the project in the LADSOCL thread but here’s a view of the road-frontage, it’s a pretty big image – so when you click on the thumbnail, beware! I’ll let the image speak for itself…

    #757937
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Has anybody got any images of Cork County Hall? I would like to see pictures of how it is at right now and what it will look like when completed. I can’t seem to find images of County Hall anywhere. Cheers.

    #757938
    lexington
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    @paul lite wrote:

    Has anybody got any images of Cork County Hall? I would like to see pictures of how it is at right now and what it will look like when completed. I can’t seem to find images of County Hall anywhere. Cheers.

    Most recent image of it’s construction I have available can be found at Deconstruction of Cork County Hall thread – with images of the proposed finish available at Shay Cleary Architects. Obviously CCH’s redevelopment has significantly advanced from the time of the first image’s capture.

    #757939
    A-ha
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    Noticed aswell in the Echo that Jet2 are starting a new service to Newcastle from €14 one way inc. taxes from mid October. This is also the airline that briefly operated the Cork-Belfast flight before stopping the service early this year. For more info. check out the Jet2 website. 🙂

    #757940
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks for the info lexington. I like how it will look when completed but I must say I’d prefer it without the extension. The tower would look way better standing alone.

    #757941
    A-ha
    Participant

    When is it that Vibes and Scribes are planning to move? Also, just coming back to the airport, great news that someone like Subway is going into the airport. I heard ages ago that WH Smith were to open up in there, but I guess Hughes & Hughes beat them to the punch. Have we an update on wheather or not Ryanair will take control of the old terminal? It would be fantastic if they did. Was I right in presuming that R&H Hall is Ireland’s third tallest building…. I can’t find any sort of Top Ten list anywhere on the internet.

    #757942
    ewankennedy
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    @A-ha wrote:

    Was I right in presuming that R&H Hall is Ireland’s third tallest building…. I can’t find any sort of Top Ten list anywhere on the internet.

    Nope even to start with you have Georges quay plaza in Dublin which is the same height as Liberty hall at 56m and then theres Riverpoint in Limerick which is being completed and Millenium tower in Dublin too.

    #757943
    pier39
    Participant

    @lexington wrote:

    that victoria cross student accommodation thing is vile! and is that suppose to be teak? please! :rolleyes: ccc havent done a good job supporting strong design concepts on this stretch of road. its plans like these that make it harder for better lookin and more decent designs to pass planning like the one further up the road, the 7 floor apartment complex posted somewhere earlier on this thread. clearly the architects were tripping to legoland when they designed this.

    its a pity tom mccarthys plan across the road, which was probably the best looking student proposal for the area, never went ahead.

    #757944
    Anonymous
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    RATHCORMAC AT LOGGERHEADS WITH LOCAL COUNCILLORS

    – Councillors warned ‘don’t come back for votes’ –

    The message is clear! Rathcormac community will keep on fighting against the proposal by local county councillors to zone a further 23 acres of land just outside the village boundary.

    This message was issued following a meeting last Tuesday night between local county councillors and concerned members of Rathcormac community.

    Despite the pleas of many concerned locals who are opposed to the proposed zonings, Cllrs Aileen Pyne and Kevin O’Keeffe reiterated their intentions to vote for the three proposed zonings at the local area plans meeting in September.

    The local area plans meeting on September 12 will decide the zoning and development of the village for the next five years. But the local community feels that there has been enough development in the village already and it needs time to settle down and adjust to this enormous change.

    The proposed zonings for every community in Cork County will be voted on by all 48 county councillors come September. But Rathcormac Community Council feel that if the local councillors will not support them, they have no chance.

    “If you’re not willing to support our wishes by voting against these zonings, then we have no chance,” said PRO Frank Buckley.

    Treasurer Batt O’Connell also questioned the councillors’ logic.

    “There will be big social problems in Rathcormac, with a big population and no sports or community facilities. You must know that this decision will be the wrong one, yet you are still going to go ahead. Why make a big problem worse?”

    The local community is upset at the way in which Rathcormac is being overdeveloped, with no provision being made for proper infrastructure and amenities, such as sewage, water and community facilities such as sheltered housing, playgrounds, car parks and sporting facilities.

    The three zoned areas in question form a total of 23 acres just outside the village boundary, this in a village where 520 new houses have been built since 2002. Rathcormac has tripled in size in three years, and the current school was built in 1948 to cater for 30 to 40 pupils. Today it is struggling to cater for up to 150, with some children being taught in portakabins due to lack of space.

    The community council met with the councillors earlier in the year, expressing their fears. They did not wish for any further land in Rathcormac to be zoned for development until a new school was built and proper provision made for adequate infrastructure to be put in place, to cope with the demands that a growing population will put on the village.

    Yet despite their requests, local councillors went ahead and zoned further land. Councillors also went against the recommendations of county planners and the county manager, who were also worried at the over-development in Rathcormac.

    Eamonn Power said that the community felt ‘stabbed in the back’.

    “You went off and did the exact opposite. I’m asking you to focus on the problem, don’t divert from the reality”.

    He also went on to question the logic of the councillors’ stance.

    “With the pressure that the village is under, the last thing we need is more houses. There’s no logical commonsense reason for the three extra zonings. You have done sweet F.A. for the community. If there is nothing in it for us, and nothing in it for you, then why are ye voting for it?”

    Another person from the floor said that the councillors appeared to have ‘tunnel vision’ and did not appear willing to listen to the wishes of the local community.

    “As councillors, you represent all the people of Rathcormac and not just three landowners,” he added.

    PRO Frank Buckley said that Rathcormac is an example to many other local communities of a ‘disaster area’.

    “Rathcormac is their argument against overdevelopment. We’ve had 520 houses with planning granted already, and with more to come within the village boundary”.

    He went on to say that the councillors were committing ‘political suicide’ by continuing ‘bull headed’ with the intention of the voting for the extra 23 acres to be zoned.

    “Ye need not bother to come back here looking for votes at the next election,” he warned.

    Cllr Kevin O’Keeffe said that because of problems with once off housing, people needed to live somewhere.

    “A lot of communities, not just Rathcormac, have had a lot of land zoned for housing in the last few years. A lot of people are willing to live in a village such as Rathcormac, which is becoming a very vibrant place.

    “With regard to amenities, the council have a definite strategy in place. All the councillors are under enormous pressure with regard to the local area plans. But once the development contributions are in place, the amenities will follow.”

    Cllr Pyne reiterated this view, adding that Cork County Council handles nine to ten thousand planning applications a year.

    “The planning department are understaffed, so the situation is very difficult for both planners and councillors”.

    Cllr Aileen Pyne went on to say that they had tried to have a balanced look at the whole situation.

    “We met previously with the community council and the school board of management in the Spring. We are trying to rectify all the infrastructure problems in Rathcormac, but finance is a problem. The County Council budget is very constrained and we are not in a position to allocate further funding to the village at present.

    “It’s a chicken and egg situation. Because of the general development contributions scheme, North Cork will be receiving €3.7 million in development charges. The allocation of €40,000 for the new playground, for example, came from this”.

    But Frank Buckley said that there appeared to be ‘more chickens than eggs’.

    “We’ve had problems for the last four years in relation to rational and reasonable planning. Councillors are saying that amenities will be provided in the future, but we are talking about now. Rathcormac has already contributed enough.

    “For amenities we need space in the village centre. But if you allow all the land to be built up, there will be nothing left. Who wants to have a community centre in Mondaniel?”

    Eamonn Power said that the local community had been giving for years, but there was nothing coming back.

    “The playground and school should not come out of Cork County Council funds, but should be provided by the developers. Developers are building at the expense of taxpayers like the people of Rathcormac. One developer gave a small contribution of €5,000. Another developer made millions out of Rathcormac but only gave €100 to the community, which is an insult”.

    Cllr Pyne agreed with Eamonn Power, but she explained that this was the current reality.

    “The reality is that amenities come from the Cork County Council development fund, and not from the developers. We should work on our Oireachtas members to change the legislation with regard to this. But from now we have to be practical and work within the system.”

    “It’s a difficult situation to balance to tell the truth,” Cllr Liam O’Doherty said.

    “I have a lot of people out in the countryside, who are having enormous difficulty with once off housing, so I’m undecided which way I’m going to vote”.

    The intentions of Cllr Frank O’Flynn on the Rathcormac zoning issue are unknown, as he is currently away on holidays. Cork County Councillors are due to vote on the local area plans on Monday September 12.

    Community council chairman, Peter Quirke vowed that the community would keep on fighting against the three controversial zonings till then.

    “We have a contact list for all the other 44 county councillors. We intend to contact every one and make our voices heard.

    “There’s a meeting planned for Watergrasshill on September 1. We hope to have the 12 councillors from Midleton, Mallow and Blarney there. Maybe they will listen to us”, he concluded.

    http://www.avondhupress.ie/5story1.html

    #757945
    lexington
    Participant

    🙂 As previously mentioned, John & Michael O’Dwyer are preparing to lodge 2 seperate applications to develop 23 new 1 & 2 bedroom apartments over a commercial unit and with parking on their premises at Hanover Street. The buidling is designed by James Leahy & Associates and will stretch to 6-storeys with ancillary roof gardens. The project adjoins another interesting project, currently in planning, that of a 7-storey office building (recently requested further information) at Clarke’s Bridge, designed by Coughlan de Keyser Associates, being developed by Adrian Power and marketed by DNG Harris Commercial.



    Thanks for the 2 article recently posted Thomond Park! Makes for interesting reading. 😉

    #757946
    A-ha
    Participant

    Thanks ewan, that means that R&H Hall is still one of Ireland’s tallest, shame it’s so fu*king ugly though. And what about the airport… update….ryanair… take control….. old terminal… If the airline does not use the existing terminal…. what use will it be put too, office or will it continue to be used as a terminal. I think they should shove all the charter airlines in there during the summer. Don’t want them running the new terminal with their long delays and such!

    #757947
    Angry Rebel
    Participant

    Doubt anything will happen on Ryanair and the old terminal very fast. For a start, the original plan called for it to be turned into offices, and they will need to make alternate arrangements if that changes (can’t imagine they need that much office space though!) You know the speed these bodies tend to move at…..

    Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, Ryanair will need to add a large number of routes to Cork to get the passenger numbers that would justify the refurb and rent of the old terminal. There is no guarantee that this will happen as they would be looking for a “suicide” deal similar to the one they got at Shannon (this involves shannon paying a net €1 for every passenger that flies instead of receiving several euro). You’d need to sell an awful lot of batter burgers and newspapers in the new terminal to make up the shortfall in revenue!!!

    #757948
    jungle
    Participant

    I have a feeling that Ryanair’s interest in Cork Airport is to put the wind up the DAA about the new terminal in Dublin.

    As mentioned by Angry Rebel they’d need a deal similar to the one at Shannon. Even then it is doubtful. From a business perspective, could Ryanair justify 2 bases in Munster? I doubt it, so the deal would have to be so good that they would close the Shannon base. Remember that Shannon can afford to cross-subsidise because of the fees it gets from the stopover. In those circumstances could Cork even consider offering such a deal.

    #757949
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    As i mentioned here before, Cork’s Heritage Open day takes place on 10th September.
    The website is now online where you can view images of the buildings which will be open to the public, as well as times, etc.

    The list of buildings includes:

    Blackrock Castle

    (note the fancy new astronomy centre adjacent to it),

    Frank O’Connors House on Douglas Street

    (just recently refurbished),

    The Clarion Hotel Penthouse

    (let’s face it, it will be the nearest any of us get to stay there!),

    Elizabeth Fort

    (That’s a lot of limestone!)

    And amazingly, Victoria Cross Student Apartments

    Presumably the final building is open to allow the public the chance to point and laugh!
    Then again, it ain’t that funny 🙁

    Check out the website for the rest of the buildings open to the public on September 10th.

    #757950
    lexington
    Participant

    I love the lighting scheme along Lapps Quay at night, No.5, No.6 and City Quarter really bring life to this area of the city at night and is a fine example of how clever, effective lighting can really make a building look its best come the night. It’s something I hope more future developments incorporate. It works to effectively promote a structure/development and also enhances the aesthetics of a locale if done intelligently.

    #757951
    who_me
    Participant

    The lighting on City Quarter is very well done, improves greatly on what might otherwise be a rather bland building. The Clarion’s lighting is nice too (apart from when they animate it – a little too Las Vegas for my liking!). The No.6 lighting is piercingly bright – you could take someone’s eye out with light that bright!!! 😀

    But the quayside/boardwalk lighting is first rate! The way they highlight the trees, the railings, the shelter supports, even the stonework on the sides of the “cafe boxes”, is superb. (Incidentally – does anyone know when those cafes are due to open?)

    On another note – isn’t a pity the Elizabethan fort isn’t similarly spotlighted? I know it was just recently de-ivyed, but it could look great lit up at night, with St. Patrick’s as a backdrop.

    #757952
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    As far as i’m aware, the Elisabeth Fort is spotlighted at night.

    Passed Jury’s (the former) on Western Road today. The first signs of the new buildings are appearing with re-inforced concrete pillars in place at the western end of the site. Also I noticed that there are a number of large trees which have been felled at the same end of the site, on the river bank, close to where the railway bridge used to be. I thought there were conditions in planning that trees adjacent to the river were to be protected 🙁

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