developments in cork
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well said Mark.
Could somebody please explain something to me because i’m not sure i’m up to date on something, why was it necessary to issue a new webpage when the other state of cork webpage was perfectly fine? I dont need to remind you how popular and important it has become as a resource. one of the things that attracted so many first time users to the archiseek.com website as a whole was its extensive depth and detail. Days on end could be spent exploring it and each day one could find something new and wonderful. If the culprit(s?) have been addressed shouldnt we continue on with the good work as it was? Why should the comments of 1 or 2 and the outrageously unfair and incorrect paper articles disbenefit the rest of us and the website? I myself am not a solicitor (thats my sons job) and when i discussed this issue with him he said the wise thing for the paper to do was to issue a well seen apology to the website. whatever of it i dont know it’s not got to do with me but I do feel the loss of the other thread will disbenefit us.
On that note I am most pleased to hear some progress is being made for the music school. The design i suppose represents that the term of landmark building does not mean highrise. I do think however it looks far more intriguing by nightime. The use of light seems most interesting and the materials used in the buildings design seems to allow a rich tapestry of effects under nightime lights which gives the building much more character.
Contrary to what the Examiner said, they obviously didn’t examine too closely and were too keen for a headline suggesting a result, the original thread is still online here. It is not lost.
this is all confusing?? read into to much i think.
i have nothing against the cork thread, the old thread was good and now this ???
but i do think that there is enough threads going for cork and its all hypep a bit
although i do enjoy reading it..my point is could they not just have one decent thread???
@Ronan C wrote:
Does anybody have images of the new building on Elgin St or even who the architects were so I can look on their website ? Thanks in advance …
As promised
Maybe go to O’Flynn Construction’s website for more images… Haven’t looked throught the whole website yet.
Thanks Lex…Question for Dowlingm
I’ve been offered a position in Mississauga… would you recommend Toronto and its environs as a good place for a young family looking to leave the strains (commuter and other) of Dublin behind?
thanks for any insights (btw, would you choose to live in Mississauga or in the metropolitan area?).
🙂 I made a visit to The Marquee last night at the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds (yes, to see a sell-out Tommy Tiernan), and I have to say that its presence pushes the need only further that the city needs and could do most well from a permanent such event centre. The temporary nature of the facility ensured that air-conditioning and the solid service facilities were lacking (believe you me, air-conditioning was never so badly needed), but the venue provides a physical indication that such a centre could well be a success. Over 5000 persons packed the over-sized circus tent – but the atmosphere was very positive.
3 projects are currently ploughing ahead with their proposals for such an event centre. The Showgrounds, however, still, in my eyes seems the most ideal location long-run.
An application for Horgan’s Quay is not too far away and I will bring you details of its contents before its lodgement please God.
(Marquee images later tonight).
Paul Kenny has submitted Significant Further Information on his plans to build new offices for the Revenue Commissioners along St. Patrick’s Quay. The office development designed by Wilson Architecture would home approaximately 127,000sq ft of office space and 15,000sq ft of retail over 2 linked buildings. The revised plans will now consist of one building fronting St. Patrick’s Quay between 4 and 6 storeys (as oppose to 4 and 5 storeys) with the 2nd building 4 to 6 storeys facing the Lower Glanmire Road, changed from 5 to 7 storeys. The double-deck basement car-park will now house 216 car spaces and 50 cycle spaces, instead of 235 spaces of car-parking originally submitted. It should be mentioned that the basic design (i.e. the curved quayside facade) will remain the same. A decision date is now set for the 8th August 2005.
You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.
In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.
A decision is due this Wednesday on Ellesmere Properties Ltd. ‘s seven storey Hotel, retail unit, basement carpark and Coffee shop at Lavitts Quay and Half Moon Street (Lex has previously posted images of same).
If i remember correctly, the general opinion on this site was that the architectural merit of the building fell far short of that required for this prestigous location adjacent to Cork Opera House.
Anybody got any ideas how CCC are leaning with this one? Further info. was submitted in mid-June.@Radioactiveman wrote:
A decision is due this Wednesday on Ellesmere Properties Ltd. ‘s seven storey Hotel, retail unit, basement carpark and Coffee shop at Lavitts Quay and Half Moon Street (Lex has previously posted images of same).
If i remember correctly, the general opinion on this site was that the architectural merit of the building fell far short of that required for this prestigous location adjacent to Cork Opera House.
Anybody got any ideas how CCC are leaning with this one? Further info. was submitted in mid-June.Indeed the decision is due tomorrow. Only one objection was submitted to the Significant Further Information submitted – which effectively redesigned the hotel building, with a minor height reduction (over 1m), room numbers reduction (125 to 114) and facade alterations. It has to be said that the original propopsal was not up to much – the new design is an improvement somewhat. The architect is Geoff Butler of Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects and developers are Howard Holdings. An image is posted below and I will have some information on its decision tomorrow evening.
Though the revised design incorporates a number of improvements, including better use of the site shape and better incorporation and relation of the new project to No.16 Lavitts Quay (a PS) – I wonder if this is really the best design that RORSA could have come up with for the 20m euro project which is set to house the Comfort Inn brand. Perhaps its just me – maybe its a sort of New York-esque ‘Art Deco’ style I’m just not use to :confused: . Its not a bad project, the usage is most welcome, but it just doesn’t seem up to scratch in comparison to the likes of 21 Lavitts Quay, recently complete next-door to the west. However, the variety of styles may indeed enhance the quayside over-all in the future. It’s just that in such a delicate location, a new development should first and foremost add to an area – this building, I believe, adds nothing.
@lexington wrote:
You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.
In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.
I agree lexington that it isnt a bad project and the site is a difficult one but i think it should be stated that it is difficult for more than one reason. For a start, its size means that any development on it would have to have some height to be viable. Other than that the nature of surrounding buildings like Farranlea hall and Victoria station across the Wilton road are residential and have been designed with the usual residential features like balconies, roof gardens etc. Frinillas other project at Dennehys cross up the road is gonna be residential too and any redevelopment of the Cork farm centre will be of a similar height as this project in question. The design has to consider all these elements – it has to be befitting of the area, allow viablity, provide for residential aspects and be relatively ‘pretty’ while its at it. While i dont think its an offence or ugly design (I like the glass commercial unit (is a commercial unit???) to the front of the site), I dont think its anything particularly spectacular either. Its colouration use of finishings seems varied, neutral colors that smile at, rather than attack the senses, so its not offending anyone. I especially like the penthouse element. The one problem i see staring me in the face however is that 4 storeys wall to the north of the site. It seems unnecessarily bland despite the color. I’m sure the architects had their reasons, but, even a window or 2 to break the repetitiveness up a little? Maybe Top car are looking to redevelop their site that we dont know about. As far as I know windows in the Frinilla projects wall wouldnt be overlooking anything other than a workshop. The L shape of the development gives a bit of variety to the design which otherwise I could just envision walking up along the road and being greet by nothing other than a 4 storey wall! If the penthouse can have windows at this side of the building, can the rest of the north elevation not have them either???
@lexington wrote:
That thing is absolutely woeful!! It is bland, overscaled and makes monkeys of the remaining older buildings on the quayfront. I suppose it’s following the precedent of the oversized lump that’s already built on Lavitt’s Quay? This is the problem – once one mistake occurs it’s easier for more to be made…
For those who don’t know Cork, this is not in a remote area where there are just scraps of historic buildings left and you could go taller]right in the centre[/I], where there is an established scale.
The 3-storey, 4-bay building on the quayfront is a Protected Structure, right? Well under the Planning & Dev Act 2000 (Part IV), the setting of a P. S. is protected as well as the structure itself. So the impact of new development proposals on the integrity of a P. S. has to be taken into account. You can’t just shove a load of rubbish up behind a P. S. once the building itself has been secured.
This image is misleading anyway. A wider image is needed that properly shows the proposal in its location, with the Quays & Emmet Place etc.
ive tried to like this building on so many levels and though it is a vast improvement on the original id be lying to myself if i said i liked it. for such a respected firm rorsa could have done so much better. a shame really.
@ewankennedy wrote:
Maybe Top car are looking to redevelop their site that we dont know about. As far as I know windows in the Frinilla projects wall wouldnt be overlooking anything other than a workshop. The L shape of the development gives a bit of variety to the design which otherwise I could just envision walking up along the road and being greet by nothing other than a 4 storey wall! If the penthouse can have windows at this side of the building, can the rest of the north elevation not have them either???
I have heard from a good source that Top Car are planning to relocate.
@lisam wrote:
I have heard from a good source that Top Car are planning to relocate.
It was only March 1st this year (2005) that Top Car received permission to vertically extend their showroom, with Colman Cotter Consulting Engineers working on the project. I had heard they were looking at one of the Motor Mall locations (at either EastGate or John Cleary Developments’ project at Mahon Point) but nothing in stone. The Victoria Cross site would certainly be a highly valuable land deal for them should they decide to relocate. No doubt a number of offers would leap at the opportunity.
Also I am awaiting details on Howard Holdings’ plans for Lavitts Quay, as posted above – Michael Lynch is the planner. It will be most interesting to see how this one fairs – the design is controversial to say the least. But not controversial good in my books. 🙁It is hard to judge the quality of the building from the image shown,its quite distorted or maybe its my cataracts again.
I will reserve my opinion (for what its worth) pending review of the file and indeed clear images.
Nice work on the Victoria cross images Lexington,I agree with you on the design.That blank gable is very bland I would think its to allow for the future development of Top Car ,whom I understand are in negotiations with Cleary Doyle in Mahon for a new car showroom.
Any way what the f*** am I doing on this thing I should be out topping up on the suntan.
@lexington wrote:
……seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.
Sorry Lexington, it was this project I was talking about….
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