developments in cork
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Cheap as chips and in such a prominent location. TCH acquire a magnificent premises on South Mall for their own and then inflict this! Corporate image obviously only applies in the City Centre.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Also, todays Examiner had an article by Tommy Barker detailing moves by Port of Cork to move its operations out of the Docklands and into the Ringaskiddy area of Cork Harbour.
In particular he mentions the cork bonded warehouse site and says there is currently a legal disput ongoing with regard to this site. Any body have further details?The dispute regarded rights over the Cork Bonded Warehouses premises which is held by J.W. Green (along the Monahan Road) on a leasehold basis. The actually freehold is held by Port of Cork – the dispute has been a long one with Oakeridge Limited (not entirely sure on how they spell it!). However, the freehold was subject to negotiations with one of Cork’s better known developers and rumours of a sale have been discussed. The details are still shady at this early stage but preplanning discussions were believed to have already, in part, discussed.
d_d_dallas – TCH acquired the MahonPoint following their deal with OCP in which the developers acquired the Irish Examiner offices and printing press along Academy Street. The MP printing press is being funded by Webprint Concepts who will print all of TCH’s titles except the UK-based Irish Post. Webprint Concepts have the land on lease from TCH.Nat Ross Redevelopment
This is the best I could get it I’m afraid – an image of the Monahan Road (northern) elevation, this is the 10-storey block which occupies about a quarter of the road frontage. The design is by Jonathan Horgan with SDA O’Flynn. Details of Niall Doris’ redevelopment project can be found in previous posts.
😎 Frinailla have seen Further Information requested of their 6/7 storey, 25 unit over basement car-parking apartment development at Victoria Cross. The project is designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and will be located only a stone’s throw away from the developers’ other project, soon to be submitted, at Dennehy’s Cross.
(not a thumbnail, sorry! see earlier post on this development)
😎 Meanwhile, OFC have seen their massive Dunkettle House scheme brought before ABP following 3rd party appeals by persons including the Glounthaune Community Association. The original plan for 63-acres of the estate’s grounds including 629 new homes, a retail unit, equestrian centre, sports facilities, creche, garden centre etc. However, CorkCoCo permitted only 527 of these new homes and included a number of conditions on the developers which included issues of road access and an emphasis on the recreational aspects of the development.
😮 And a small development I had been following, given it’s unique location – that of retailler Ann Clifford’s plans for her store and the Westbourne Houses along College Road – has been granted following appeal and despite the recommendation of the inspector’s report. The plan proposes the construction of 4 two storey terraced houses on Highfield Avenue, extension to shop and demolition of portion of existing residential to construct 4 apartments on 3 floors at 1, 2 and 3 Westbourne on College Road. Mrs. Clifford had submitted previous plans for the premises, comprising of 8 student apartments, but they were refused by both CCC and ABP. The grant that came with this application was appealed by Westbourne Park and Magazine Road Residents Association.
Also, the Corbett apartment development for Carmelite Place (22-units, mix of 1,2 & 3-bedroom apartments over 28-space basement car-park) seems like a clever design – a little boxy and not necessarily the ‘best’ James Leahy & Associates’ work – but clever all the same. Some nice courtyard landscaping. The scheme seems to make much better use of the space afforded it than the previous student apartment application on the site and at 3-storeys (with roof section “secret” 4th floor) seems more more befitting the site in terms of height and massing. The development peaks to the north, along Mardyke Walk, but steps down nearing the single-storey AIB Bank to the south.
😀 And by the way, I’ve updated the images on Pitwood Limited’s plans for their 5-star hotel at Parnell Place & Beasley Street (another James Leahy & Associates project!), as promised. I will in due process get around to upgrading all the light stained or blurry images – so if you want to check out those images see the post concerning this recently granted hotel (Post #266). But if you couldn’t be bothered looking for those images, here are the improved quality images below! 😀
Construction on the Parnell Place Hotel is set for this Winter, with the operators of Setanta House Hotel and Carton House (both in Kildare), likely to operate this new 5-star venture.
😮 If you follow my posts, you may have been taking note of some points I’ve made – often indirectly – about various plans under assessment for Cork and it’s docklands. Now sometimes they bare fruit, other times not, but it’s always subject to planning, markets, discussions etc etc. If you noted that in a recent post, I referred again to the fact that Paul Kenny had been thinking over new plans for his 50 Grand Parade site (the Citi-Car Park), and among those plans had been an idea for a new landmark hotel – well then, this may interest you!
Mr. Kenny has a history of planning efforts regarding his valuable 50 Grand Parade site, the premises fronts Grand Parade with the shell of a former red-brick Georgian, now used as an entrance to a car-parking facility. In 2000, Mr. Kenny applied and was refused for permission to develop a 7-storey mixed use development consisting of a 22-bedroom hotel, multistorey car-park, offices, retail and apartments. The plan was designed by PRC Architects and subsequently granted following appeal. In 2003, a further application was submitted to CCC seeking the development of student apartments on the site – as part of the previously granted 2000 development, this application was later withdrawn, and until now the site has lain idle, continuing to operate as a car-parking facility. Next door, Frinailla commenced work on their 50 or so unit Grand Parade Plaza development – a project incorporating retail elements, reaching to 7-storeys also and designed by Richard Rainey & Associates.
Architects James Leahy & Associates were approached in 2004 about designing a proposal for a new hotel and mixed use complex at the 50 Grand Parade site. The scheme called for a 180 bedroom hotel with leisure facilities, offices, retail, public boardwalk and parking. The result produced a 14-storey, oval shaped, riverside landmark. Beyond this, it is not known exactly what the Kenny Group now foresee for the site – information on pre-planning discussions are not clear, although it is assumed the proposals in this form were rejected – I’m open for correction on that. Indeed, a hotel and mixed-use plan is probably still on the cards (unless Mr. Kenny is swayed by other issues) – but perhaps not on this scale. One could only imagine the impact it would have had on views of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral – and to think they were worried about Jurys! 😀 However, this proposal goes to show you that there are exciting schemes been worked at in the background – and some of these are indeed high-rise, mostly earmarked for areas in and around the docklands. Simply because not every scheme bares fruit, does not mean it isn’t being thought of. Mr Kenny has recently shown a willingness to allow his appointed design teams produce innovative schemes such as that granted at St. Patrick’s Quay – hope that frame of mind amongst all Cork’s developments continues and successfully grows. The good news is that there are more high-rise and more interesting proposals afoot – and when I can info will be brought to you on them. 😉
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View of the Proposal from Sullivan’s Quay, looking West toward South Main Street Bridge.
View north-to-south down along South Main Street. Rear of Bishop Lucey Park may be seen on the left.WOW!!!
Are they serious though?? maybe if Mr. kenny is successful in getting the Revenue comissioners and I hope he does cos i really love the St. patricks qy building he proposed, maybe he could use the Sullivans quay site for that hotel proposal. That site could probably accomodate a building of that height a bit better and provide a dramatic backdrop when viewed down along Grand parade.
But really, do ya think that building at the location seen in the pictures is really that bad? It could make for a nice punctuation of the citys skyline with County hall in the west, that hotel in the city centre, Eglinton street in the east and leading out to highrise in the docklands.
i dont think St. Finbars would be too dirupted by that cos the hotel is stepped to the side of the vista and not actually in its path like that other hotel proposal at Crosses green, yeuck!I think it looks a really nice building, but what is with all that timber or whatever it is on the outside. It looks as if all the windows are boarded up. It would look miles better if it were to be removed. I like the shape of it and it would be a nice feature to the area’s skyline. The BMW sports car at the rear of the park in the second picture isn’t so bad either. :rolleyes:
🙂 Development possibilities are potentially ripe for the former Coca-Cola Bottling facility along the Carrigrohane “Straight” Road. Lisney are in the final stages of closing a deal on the 1.7 acre premises which is expected to ultimately sell for approx. €5m. The Coca-Cola site adjoins an existing 0.3 acre printworks which may offer further development potential. The site falls just within the area zoned by CCC for developments suitable of a high-rise nature and may offer potential for an imaginative design opportunity. However, any development here will be required to respect the gateway, and amazingly Protected Structure status, of Cork County Hall nearby. That will mean no visual disruption – however, a clever design may allow for an unobtrusive, complimentary slim high-rise development. Who knows??? 😉 :confused:
That’s hilarious (above images for Gnd Parade site). It would never in a million years get planning permission.
Equivalent to O’Connell Bridge House, Dublin, in inappropriateness.hmmmm where to begin???
first off does the nat ross development remind anyone of a caramac bar??? or one of those caramel cup desserts only taller? i just keep looking for that novel gigantic silver spoon feature to extend out of the rooftop.
and im sorry, but i still think that parnell place hotel scheme looks very exciting and glad to see construction dates have been set.
as for the kenny group hotel idea on south main street, i believe wayne campbell of waynes world once put it, ‘scheeeeyaw right!’ (now we’ve established the level of my cultural intake.) it reminds me of the hotel concorde in paris not far from the arc de triomphe. the location is totally unsuited, however by established the development bulk to one end of the site, it allows for visual and breathing space to residents of the frinailla project who i think have balconies facing toward the river. otherwise the kenny proposals on this site will have to consume a greater area with a dispersed bulk to compensate for any loss otherwise achieved by height. that means the frinailla residents will be looking out to a concrete wall, well not quite, but sort of. even so this type of project is better suited for the docklands but i still wouldnt be too happy with the design. it does nothing for me and could do with a little more form and imagination. nice pics all the same.
Yeah, nice pics lexington and great to see what we’re being saved from by a bit of common sense. What we have to wonder about is the fact that Mr. Kenny actually paid people to come up with this totally innappropriate design for the area which they themselves must have known would never even get close to Navigation House. I’m all for pushing the boundries, working outside the box and all the rest of those catchphrases but people have to be realistic about it.
The design itself is let down by the timber cladding and the rear of the development (first image) towards Grand Parade, along the river looks boxy and badly thought out.
No, No, No.@ewankennedy wrote:
But really, do ya think that building at the location seen in the pictures is really that bad?
See image below and decide for yourself.
Drawing shows Kenny Hotel idea on the South Main Street (western) elevation with Grand Parade Plaza project to left.
@Frog1 wrote:Any info on a development on Popes road, Blackpool?
Are you referring to the Eileen Daly project, designed by PRC Architects?
@ewankennedy wrote:
But really, do ya think that building at the location seen in the pictures is really that bad? It could make for a nice punctuation of the citys skyline with County hall in the west, that hotel in the city centre, Eglinton street in the east and leading out to highrise in the docklands.
i dont think St. Finbars would be too dirupted by that cos the hotel is stepped to the side of the vista and not actually in its path like that other hotel proposal at Crosses green, yeuck!I actually really like the design – far, far, faaar better than the hotel which has received planning permission at Cross’s Green.
However, I can see why it wouldn’t go ahead. Particularly, the view of St. Finbarr’s from along the South Mall or Lapp’s Quay would be completely obscured.
That said, I personally would still not be opposed to it – Main St (South Main St. in particular) still looks incredibly run down Anything would be an improvement, and it might bring some life to the area.
lexington – Thanks for the detailed response regarding the South Docks! You also succeeded in cutting a few of my next questions off at the knees! 😉
The only plans/designs I’ve yet seen for the area is the masterplan pdf, which I’d assume is a rough, aspirational plan rather than the final shape. What really impressed me about it though were “extras” for want of a better word – the boating basin, preserving/restoring the waterways, the numerous parks, the public access to the riverfront walkways etc. Fortunately, it seems that developers are putting increasing effort not just into the quality of their designs, but into the recreational areas and other facilities in the area.
I wondered too how an area this size is going to affect the commuter patterns/levels in the city. Has anyone projected how many people might work in a rejuvenated dockland development? Can you imagine an extra 40 or 50 thousand people commuting every day to the South Docks through Blackrock, Mahon, Douglas? It could be a nightmare – hence I’d guess the hope is that it be reasonably self-sufficient. I.e. a good number of people working in the docklands will live there too.
It’s good to hear about the Nat Ross plans, as it shows it’s not just the riverfront sites which will be cherry-picked for the prestigious projects. Plus, the fact that they’re going for up to 10 stories bodes well for higher buildings closer to the fiver/further from the established residences. (Sorry, but I’m a big fan of tall (but pretty) buildings)
Interesting, if uncertain, times. I just wish they’d get on and start knocking/building something!! At least with Webworks and Eglington St. on the way, they’re moving in the right direction.
It was no surprise either to hear Howard Holdings mentioned, I remember reading Greg Coughlan’s comments around the opening of Lapp’s Quay, and he seems more enthusiastic/ambitious about the docklands than the council or most Corkonians!
Keep up the bean spilling!
I see that H&M are going into the crescent shopping centre in Limerick its amazing that they are going there before Cork just like Dixons, Foot Locker, TK Maxx etc.. Unless O’Flynn Construction are trying to get them for Ballincollig as Marks and Spencers dont seem to be interested now. That would be a big boost to Ballincollig SC and give Owen O’Callaghan something to worry about. To date Iknow that Dunnes, Eason, Carrig Donn and Art and Hobby are moving in but they arent going to set the world a light are they??
🙂 John F. Supple Contractors seem to be storming ahead with Phase 2 of the €30m Camden Court project being developed by OSB Group. Phase 1, designed by James Leahy & Associates, which comprised of 44 apartments, was acclaimed for it’s respectful and innovative, limestone & copper clad design. Phase 2 will see the development of over 50 further apartments, extensive roof-gardens, a new home for the Cork Arts Theatre and new Pa Johnson’s Pub premises. Below find images of Phase 1, now completed, and Phase 2, under construction (note the images display a variation on the actual resulting material finish and colouration – which will be limestone, as par Phase 1).
I didn’t know that Cork was waiting for TK Maxx and Foot Locker to open. I’ve never been to the Crescent shopping centre, but has it been extended or has a shop closed to make way for H&M. It’s such a shame that they are opening in Limerick first, but no doubt they’ll open in Cork soon after (Cornmarket Street maybe???) Why do I have a feeling that Ballincollig will turn into another Douglas Court, just newer. Next time a shooping centre opens in Cork, Dunnes should be banned by the city council!
Oh and I really like the roof top garden, shame it wont be seen from the ground, and copper cladding sounds different.i quite like the look of the roof garden. it looks nice.
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