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London Bridge Tower is also a fantastic design. I can’t wait to see it when it’s built. Is the Easter Egg one that your referring to the Gherkin/Swiss Re building by Norman Foster? I think you can climb up it from the outside. Some tourist attraction! Why can’t people just stick to normal things like Big Ben or Madame Tussauds.
Swiss Re. Building
Swiss Re. Building
London Bridge Tower
yes that’s the one i’m talking about.
The County Hall is still the tallest building in the country. Any news on when it is due for completion?
Also, anybody know the latest on the School of Music debacle?
@d_d_dallas wrote:
Didn’t Jarvis run into some financial troubles? So much for PPP in the education sector.
German firm Hochtief acquired the Jarvis PPP division and were scheduled to sign contracts on the Cork School of Music by the end of July – but so far, I’ve heard nothing yet. Construction was then scheduled for September with John Sisk & Sons Ltd. My optimism is being consistently dented with this debacle – but I’m holding tight for an August contract finalisation.
RM – Cork County Hall’s redevelopment is on schedule for a November 2005 completion.
@lexington wrote:
😀 Pitwood Limited have been granted permission for a new hotel development at Beasley Street and Parnell Place, subject to 18 conditions. The original plan called for the development of a 5-storey, 121 bedroom hotel over spa and double-deck basement car-park – however, a number of concerns were raised by the Planning Dept.in response to the application. Among them issues of height, relation to the former Provincial Bank (now TCH HQ), traffic management, ground floor usage at Parnell Place and design quality. Concerns were also issued on how the protected structures of No.17 & 18 Parnell Place (facades) were to be incoporated into the new development. A substantial redesign was requested through Significant Further Information – which, when received was considered adequate. The revised plans, submitted in July, will now host 116 bedrooms over 4 and 5 floors. The resulting design will given Cork something of a limestone “Guggenheim Museum” inspired (???) elevation at Beasley Street and South Mall, which is, I must say both unusual and impressive.
The 0.18 hectare site is owned by Corbett Bros., Pitwood Limited’s backers are involved with other hotel ventures in Ireland – including Setanta House Hotel and Carton House in Kildare – and are based in Monaghan.
James Leahy & Associates were involved in the project with Niall Fitzsimons Ltd acting as Consulting Engineers.
The image below offers a perspective looking down Beasley Street from South Mall – this western elevation forms the rear of the hotel with access to the basement car-park. The eastern/Parnell Place elevation is formed by the No.17 & 18 protected facades. This elevation is a unique and unusual mix of angles and shapes cladding with varying sizes and colourations of limestone.
holy testicle tuesday! almost missed this one!!! saw the original plans on one of me rare trips down to the planning office and cant say it did the biz for mise but the revised plan looks pretty wow! very impressed – pity the image isnt any clearer, lex when you get those improvements will ya please post up a pic a little clearer? thanks mate 😉 – either way the facade looks pretty good on beasly st elevation. i see james leahy is making a bit of a niche for his firm with this style of design – i think it suits them – their camden qy design seems like to be prep for this with its curved canopies and strange shapes. the parnell hotel plan here seems to have abandoned the trad 90degree idea in exchange for varying angular aspects. the use of variations in the limestone claddings color and size adds to the inconsistent effect and the support column at the ground floor of 93 south mall almost seems gehry-esque – position at a 70degree angle(?) rather than boring old 90. ooooo im all excited! keep these kinda ideas up jimmy! tis mighty and will do the city no harm to have a bit of ooo lala! 😀
@pier39 wrote:
……….the parnell hotel plan here seems to have abandoned the trad 90degree idea in exchange for varying angular aspects. the use of variations in the limestone claddings color and size adds to the inconsistent effect and the support column at the ground floor of 93 south mall almost seems gehry-esque – position at a 70degree angle(?) rather than boring old 90. ooooo im all excited! keep these kinda ideas up jimmy! tis mighty and will do the city no harm to have a bit of ooo lala! 😀
If it’s not a right angle, it’s a wrong angle – seems a little too much for me. What does the view from Parnell Street look like? Almost missed those images as well.
Congratulations! Our superior forum has finally hit the 20,000 mark in terms of views. Has anyone got any pictures of the old City Hall before it was burned down? Who built it and what did it look like? Also, can’t wait to see the County Hall when it is completed. It was so hidious before they started to fix it up. Talk about 1970’s office block!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
If it’s not a right angle, it’s a wrong angle – seems a little too much for me. What does the view from Parnell Street look like?
I would have to argue that sentiment RM, and I’m sure you’ll find many of the world’s top architects such as Libeskind, Gehry and Calatrava – have in part, earned their positions in response to the decision not to follow this ideology. As Libeskind himself has said, “…there are 359 other degrees out there, why must we always follow one?…”
Following the idea that anything other than a right angle is wrong, would never have led to works like the Guggenheim, Valencia Opera House – even the Swiss Re building, all regarded as being among the best examples of contemporary architecture in the world today. Of course opinions can and do differ.
The Pitwood hotel proposal adds something interesting to a streetscape that could otherwise be yet another boring example of ‘backstreet’ architecture – keep it boring because no-one will ever see it, so no-one should care. Had the same philosophy been adhered to when the Crawford Gallery was constructing it’s extension onto Half Moon Street, Cork would have been left with perhaps another ‘so-so’ backstreet. I think the hotel’s elevation adds a little character to its surrounds.
The Parnell Street elevation has been altered so that the originally proposed mansard roof has been removed in respect of the facade’s intergrity, with a step-down in height, and mild step-back of the new structure from the facades so that they remain linked and part of the new development, without compromising their history. A reduction in height to the rear of the TCH HQ has also been afforded to reduce any excessive over-scaled elevation and damage to the important corner structure (formerly the Provincial Bank/AIB). 🙂
@A-ha wrote:When is work due to get started on Eglington Street? More importantly, when is it to be finished? I can’t wait to see it in Cork’s skyline. Hehee, I’m so excited now.
At the current moment, it would seem as though OFC are not set to begin construction on the Eglinton Street scheme until early 2006 (Feburary-ish). The Eglinton Street site may see some prepartory works commence on the site before then – but at this point in time, a number of issues make it unlikely that we will see construction on the project until then. That is of course, unless these issues fall through or readdressed elsewhere.
anyone know when the Douglas s/c extension is meant to start and just wondering what peoples views are on the citys border extension are and does anyone know if its going to happen any time soon?
Feburary 2006 isn’t that bad. I was expecting to hear something along the lines of October-Novemberish 2006. I have a fear that something will go wrong and we’ll end up with the tower part ending up at 5 stories or something, as opposed to the original 17. I know it sounds odd, but thats my feeling. The sooner they get a crane on that site, the better. And what about Water Street, whats the story with the planning application? :confused:
And yes, my trademark BOLD Italic posts have come to an end. Sorry if they bothered ye. Paul told me to lose ’em or I’m out of Archiseek. Oh well, end of an era and I’m so close to my 100th post aswell. 🙁 At least I still got me smilies 🙂
@daniel_7 wrote:
anyone know when the Douglas s/c extension is meant to start and just wondering what peoples views are on the citys border extension are and does anyone know if its going to happen any time soon?
You are referring to Douglas Village S.C., correct? Wilson Architecture were enlisted by The Love Family to design a 60m euro redevelopment of the centre – which was granted. My understanding now is that The Shipton Group are now addressing plans to create a new urban scape spanning a redeveloped Douglas Village S.C. to Douglas Court S.C. nearby. The link will form across roads and lands occupied by Cinema World, Shell Petrol Station and the Permanent TSB. Recently, the group were denied planning for an 8-storey hotel on part of these lands. New plans are in preplanning talks with Cork County Council, and Cork City Council. A new roadway will link the Douglas/South Ring slip-road in the west across to a point linking to the Rochestown Road. The routeway will cause significant traffic congestion during construction no doubt, but will be a traffic management godsend come completion. The Cinema World will be redeveloped – supposedly undergound – with the ground occupied by a series of commercial and residential units, effectively an extended and new town centre area. A part bridge link will connect the 2 shopping centres it is believed.
No indication of the city border extensions yet daniel7.
A-ha – I don’t see Eglinton Street facing a tower reduction. The project has currently been appealed by OFC on a first party basis concerning conditions on a number of technicalities, including reductions on the Eglinton Street elevation. OFC are confident in having the 2 Phase project in full swing by next year. And you can expect 2 tower cranes on site, not 1! 😉Thats good to know, and looking at the extension being put onto the City Hall, it looks as if it’s coming along nicely.
The hotel plan looks interesting, i only hope it materialises well in the flesh.
Any news of the Dennehys cross plans yet? i await them anxiously.
I also have taken an interest in the new regional hospital cardiac extension. i saw the photos of it earlier in this forum – but when does it start??
And i dont know if anyone else has been following the plan by Manorpark Homes to redevelop Mr Haugheys estate in Kinsealy, Dublin but the planning authority criticised the quality of the projects design. what does that mean for Horgans Qy? Will Manorpark produce muck or take heed of the councils request that any application for the site must be of agood architecture level??
@altuistic wrote:
And i dont know if anyone else has been following the plan by Manorpark Homes to redevelop Mr Haugheys estate in Kinsealy, Dublin but the planning authority criticised the quality of the projects design. what does that mean for Horgans Qy? Will Manorpark produce muck or take heed of the councils request that any application for the site must be of agood architecture level??
Never actually saw the Abbeville proposal, but I did read extracts of the Planners Report noting such issues. MPH have been in discussions for quite sometime with CCC concerning the Horgan’s Quay project – input was afforded the company in the creation of the North Docklands Area Plan, recently published. The desired layout of the Horgan’s Quay site, as stated in the plan, has been noted by MPH’s Planning Consultants Tom Phillips & Associates and the strongly stated request regarding design quality by Joe Gavin (City Manager) and others in CCC has been explicitly expressed. A new precedent has been set in the city, with regards to design standards, I think MPH know, that if they want to see their application pass as much as possible, strong design will have to be administered. Otherwise they will face some unwanted ‘issues’ in planning – and perhaps more work (such as expensive redesigns) than is necessary. The application is important, yes – CCC know this, and I don’t think they would be eager to let it slide, but I don’t think they will be pushed on their demands either. The quayside is so prominent and so strategically important that only a high design standard will click when it comes to permission. Of course we will await the results with anticipation – and keep those fingers crossed. This is a big project for MPH too you must remember, among their flagship projects and certainly the flagship in Cork – I don’t think they’ll be interested in screwing up their own intentions as well, so a win-win situation is hoped for. Plus I hear, for afficianados of the ‘taller building’, one or two components may keep them smiling.
Manor Park Homes is jointly owned by Joe Moran and DCC, with UCC-graduate Michael O’Driscoll as the company’s CEO.
🙂 John Sisk & Sons Ltd hope to be smiling come decision day (tomorrow – August 18th 2005) on their plans to construct a new 93-bedroom, 6-storey hotel on their lands along the Kinsale Road. The site is located just east of their existing Cork HQ offices and will include conferencing facilities, 112 car-parking spaces, dining area and bar. The hotel was designed by New Zealand-based firm David van Ryswyk Architects and will be operated by innovative new chain AbsoluteHotel.com with core designs on the business traveller market. The contemporary style ‘landmark’ hotel has been designed with the intention of acting as a gateway into the city – and is strategically located less than 2km from the main Cork Airport entrance, and 2km from the city centre. The hotel’s hillside location will offer it commanding views north over the city – especially from the upper floors.
Should no appeal follow within the given 4 weeks following Cork County Council’s decision – Sisk expect to get to work on the project by late September.
The images below provide a perspective of the south-western (airport facing) facade by day, and the hotel building illuminated by night. Material finishes include black tinted glass panels & limestone cladding.
A clear outcome on the decision is expected for tomorrow.
😎 O’Brien & O’Flynn Limited have been refused planning on appeal for the development of a 35 unit apartment block near the SilverSprings Hotel, running close to a RPZ. The block was previously refused by CCC, and was designed by Dennehy + Dennehy. The units would have been spread over 6 floors, above 2 basement levels and comprised of an area over 55,000sq ft. Previously OBOF had applied for the development of a 15-storey residential tower on the same site – but this was refused last year also on appeal based on its overbearing height and the apparent visual disruption to the locale and RPZ. The tower was also designed by Dennehy + Dennehy – and occupied a small area of the designated site. In part, compensating for a loss of height, the 6-storey application increased it’s occupancy of the area to allow for adequate unit numbers to be accommodated. Unfortunately this was regarded as an overdevelopment of the site and is in part the reason for the project’s refusal by both CCC and ABP.
😮 Frinailla’s plans for Ladyswell were due a decision by ABP today – however no word has yet reached the realms, the decision (as often the practice with ABP) may yet be deferred for a few more days.
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