developments in cork
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Yeah, it’s something I have somewhat of an issue with as well. It’s sort of like Jim Mansfield starting working on his Citywest Convention Centre without formal permission, then being granted permission after all that. Only, in my opinion, this is worse in that a part of history has been lost. I knew when I heard the news a bit of controversy would be sparked by this decision – and rightly so. Not only were T&C’s actions illegal and not only has history been lost – but such moves are bad news for others who adhere to the whole planning process properly. It makes a mockery of the planning system and a mockery of those who comply with the law.
I probably wouldn’t go so far as to say a ”free for all” I don’t believe that to be true – and in all fairness to the planner, his job was to assess the application on the basis of the proposal, it’s imapcts, scale etc etc. The Local Authority as a power was vested with the responsibility to address the situation of legality, considering the occurence happened outside an application (legal issues within a lodgement are subject to the planning process/planner etc).
It’s not a particularly fair result in that respect – and I do know it has ticked off a number of citizens, developers and the like.
I know we are all sick of looking at this picture, but what type of metal will the pillars be made out of in front of the airport. Everyone takes the piss out of the Spire because it’s so dirty. I hope this wont be the case in our ass smacking brand new terminal! 😀@lexington wrote:
🙂 You may remember I promised details on a docklands project not so long ago – well I’m reliably informed that the project will now seek planning.
Destined for the Nat Ross premises along the Monahan Road, in the South Docklands, Niall & Sheila Doris (owners of the Beverly Smyth Group – which owns Nat Ross) are seeking permission to construct 104 residential units and 3567sq m of business/technology facilities over a large basement car-parking facility. A creche will also be included in the development, valued at approx. €50m. The architects for the project are SDA O’Flynn, now based along Skehard Road – the layout of the proposal will form 5 linked buildings ranging in height between 4, 7 and 10 storeys. I understand that 5 2-storey terraced houses will also be included in the plan.
The project, along with McCarthy Developments’ plan for a new 8-storey office building (designed by Murray O’Laoire) along Centre Park Road, issue the first concrete steps in the redevelopment of Cork’s South Docklands.
A decision on the development is expected for the 6th October 2005.
Images soon.
good news! cant wait to see the pics. heard about this sometime ago and glad to see it in the planning run.also what of the western star, or the star, to its alumni. many a pleasant evening spent i there – is it being torn apart for some unexciting medical plan? what a shame. 🙁
With the excavations on the project well underway, the Frank Ennis & Associates designed scheme is set to hit primary construction in September 2005. The 6-storey redevelopment project will include 65 apartments, 66 basement car-parking spaces and a new 170,000sq ft retail mall of 9 large units. Rockfell Investments (Michael O’Donoghue) had been in discussions with OCP to link up their project with a refurbished Paul Street S.C., Academy Street and others – a subsequent application will be lodged at some future date to achieve this.
Below are long-awaited images of the development, the 1st looks south down along Cornmarket Street from Kyle Street (I hope they are something of an improvement on the former images I had posted), the 2nd is a drawing of the Cornmarket Street elevation.
Note the extensive copper canopy added subsequent of Significant Further Info/Revised Plans – the curvelinear canopy is intended to break any blocky elevational dimensions allowing for a smoother form to the overall structure. The new project incorporates/retains a number of existing structures and facades – most notably the Musgrave Building’s striking red-brick Cornmarket Street elevation. Further back the building is divided into sections allowing for open-spaces, like landscpaed courtyards for residents. I think the copper canopy immeasurably adds to the overall form of the new building and allows for a smoother fitting into the current street scape – as oppose to what could alternatively been another blocky 6-storey structure. The canopy also gives the building a little more distinction as a stand-alone project.
– worth noting, as a comparitive, the 2nd image includes an outline of the original 1999 proposal by Michael O’Donoghue, for a 400-bedroom 9-storey hotel. The scheme was also designed by Niall Coffey of Frank Ennis & Associates, and though granted by CCC, was refused on appeal. The scheme would have also included a substantial commercial and conferencing element. It’s roof-top design seemed to hark at the famous Roches Stores building along Patrick’s Street.
Rockfell may also be seeking to acquire adjoining buildings in the near future to allow for an extension of the development giving them a Daunt Square frontage/footfall.
Also on Cornmarket Street, though it may be a little while off yet, hopes are high that another significant development may take shape over the coming months. An important, recently purchased location – may see the historic facades retained with a vertical extension, sympathetically designed, rising from the premises. I’ll say no more for now.Does no-body not care about my crematorium? Come on, someone out there must know at least a teeney weeney bit of information on it! I wont let the subject go that easily. And the idea of connecting all the shopping centres sounds so odd for Cork. It’s like a giant step into the future or something. It’s so continental. :p
😀 Pitwood Limited have been granted permission for a new hotel development at Beasley Street and Parnell Place, subject to 18 conditions. The original plan called for the development of a 5-storey, 121 bedroom hotel over spa and double-deck basement car-park – however, a number of concerns were raised by the Planning Dept.in response to the application. Among them issues of height, relation to the former Provincial Bank (now TCH HQ), traffic management, ground floor usage at Parnell Place and design quality. Concerns were also issued on how the protected structures of No.17 & 18 Parnell Place (facades) were to be incoporated into the new development. A substantial redesign was requested through Significant Further Information – which, when received was considered adequate. The revised plans, submitted in July, will now host 116 bedrooms over 4 and 5 floors. The resulting design will given Cork something of a limestone “Guggenheim Museum” inspired (???) elevation at Beasley Street and South Mall, which is, I must say both unusual and impressive.
The 0.18 hectare site is owned by Corbett Bros., Pitwood Limited’s backers are involved with other hotel ventures in Ireland – including Setanta House Hotel and Carton House in Kildare – and are based in Monaghan.
James Leahy & Associates were involved in the project with Niall Fitzsimons Ltd acting as Consulting Engineers.
The image below offers a perspective looking down Beasley Street from South Mall – this western elevation forms the rear of the hotel with access to the basement car-park. The eastern/Parnell Place elevation is formed by the No.17 & 18 protected facades. This elevation is a unique and unusual mix of angles and shapes cladding with varying sizes and colourations of limestone.
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Does no-body not care about my crematorium? :p
As far as i know, the crematorium is planned for Rocky Island in Cork Harbour. This is surprise surprise, a small rocky outcrop between the mainland (at ringaskiddy) and Haulbowline (containing the former Irish Steel site and Irish Naval Headquarters).
As for who’s behind it, im not sure.It’ll be interesting to see what becomes of the Irish ISPAT site after the eventual clean up. Is it State property now?
Those images of Cornmarket Street make me a lot happier than the previous images. I’d agree with lexington- the structure on the roof makes the building.
Lex, I presume your hinting at a redevelopment of The Loft furniture store. Thats my guess at least. The cornmarket bar next door has been well done and if this is done along the same lines i’d be very happy. Less is more here i think!!
Great news too about Beasly Street/ Parnell Place. Lets hope no more time is wasted. Those protected facades are looking weaker and weaker every week.Great news too about Beasly Street/ Parnell Place. Lets hope no more time is wasted. Those protected facades are looking weaker and weaker every week.[/QUOTE]
Nice to see alot of activity on Parnell Street… it has been ignored for far too long.
It’s worth taking a look at the Cornmarket Street Area Development Plan on the CCC website for some interesting insights into the way people are thinking about the future development of the area.
In particular, it deals in depth with the Guys site, The Loft site and the Kyrls Quay sites (the subject of a recent competition).Some interesting visuals from the plan are set out below:
Sites for development in the area:
A possible park at the Northern end of the area:
The improved street market:
Thanks for that information. I knew someone would give me something in time. Rocky Island…. and here’s me thinking that it was on Haulbowline Island (I knew I was spelling it wrong). Thanks again.Affordable Housing
Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?All I can say about the Rockfell plan is that I’m impressed (from what’s posted anyway). I hadn’t seen much on this other than the initial plans. A tremendous improvement. Hopefully it’ll materialise in the flesh well.
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🙂 McCarthy Developments are currently in preplanning discussions with CCC regarding a further, significant city centre-ish development. The plans, at this early stage, seem pretty impressive – I hope to bring you more details shortly.
🙁 Riga Limited (OCP) – who in accordance with their ABP grant to redevelop Jurys Doyle Cork Hotel and its lands along Lancaster Quay, recently (as posted) resubmitted plans for a new pedestrian and vehicular bridge at the Western Road, connecting to the development site. The application also included plans for revised finishings to the hotel element’s elevations etc. However, and one could probably have predicted this, Bridget Healy (of Cafe Paradiso and Sunday’s Well) is again objecting to the plans – along with another gentleman. Traffic is cited as a cause for objection. Personally, I think it’s a pretty inappropriate objection given that the development is now under construction – having been greenlit by ABP, and centralising the input and output of traffic movements from the development through one bridge would have a dire consequence on the area. The additional access point is in part designed to aid congestion, if anything. The details on the material finishes seem fine. But there you have it I suppose. Personally, and this is said with all respect – I think Ms. Healy would be better focused on getting CCC to amend the disastrous rearrangement of traffic lanes on the quay – I know she has been vocal on it – but the workings of the new routes seem to have disbenefit the streets more than anything…but then again, maybe there is some far seen logic to it all. :confused:
@Tucholsky wrote:Affordable Housing
Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?CCC have been active in a number of Section V provisions. A number of developments, including those by O’Brien & O’Flynn, and excess-provision schemes by Coleman Brothers/Fleming Construction, McInerney and Barry Supple/Paul Montgomery are currently catering for Affordable/Social needs – combined, the units should make available in excess of 350 high-quality units for these such requirements. I’m not familiar with the DoE figures, perhaps you could post them or offer a link to the details. The total social/affordable list held by CCC is actually in excess of 4,000. It is expected the forthcoming application by Manor Park Homes for Horgan’s Quay which proposes over 1,000 new homes, will also be subject to the 20% Section V requirement.
d_d_dallas – agreed, Frank Ennis & Associates have taken what could have been another blocky, so-so scheme and jazzed it up a great deal by adding simple touches. I think it represents the sign of a good architect/developer relationship where a degree of pride in both their work activities was displayed and accommodation was made to facilitate improvements and enhancements in their project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tucholsky
Affordable Housing
Does anyone have any information regarding the way that Part V of the Planning and Development Act is being enforced by CCC. According to the Dept of Enviroment statistics they have only acquired 6 housing units and no land under it during the last 4 years even though they state that this is their preference. Instead in all other cases they are taking money and the amounts seem very small. What is the reason for this policy given that there are 750 on the affordable housing waiting list and the Dublin authorities are doing the opposite i.e they are requiring developers to hand over housing. Are they trading affordable housing for favours in other areas or is there some other explanation?CCC have been active in a number of Section V provisions. A number of developments, including those by O’Brien & O’Flynn, and excess-provision schemes by Coleman Brothers/Fleming Construction, McInerney and Barry Supple/Paul Montgomery are currently catering for Affordable/Social needs – combined, the units should make available in excess of 350 high-quality units for these such requirements. I’m not familiar with the DoE figures, perhaps you could post them or offer a link to the details. The total social/affordable list held by CCC is actually in excess of 4,000. It is expected the forthcoming application by Manor Park Homes for Horgan’s Quay which proposes over 1,000 new homes, will also be subject to the 20% Section V requirement.
Really !!! Thanks for the information. If this is the case there seems to have been a change of policy. Do you have any idea when these developments will be completed. The official govt figures are available on
http://www.environ.ie/DOEI/DOEIPub.nsf/wvNavView/RegularPublications?OpenDocument&Lang=en#I2
Housing units acquired under Part V by Cork City Council.
2003 0
2004 0
2005 (to Apr) 6 ( in progress 0)The Council recently accepted a payment of €9,000 in lieu of housing units from Coleman brothers. I think that there are currently about 4000 on the social waiting list and about 750 on the affordable waiting list, but that will probably increase dramatically if the Council begins acquiring housing units.
When is work due to get started on Eglington Street? More importantly, when is it to be finished? I can’t wait to see it in Cork’s skyline. Hehee, I’m so excited now.
if they go as slow there as they do here in dublin it’ll be a few years. lol. 🙂
i agree. i would love to see ireland embrase skyscrapers in my lifetime too. i know a few have been agreed upon, 32 storeys and so on but i can’t help thinking it’s too good to be true. i’ll believe it when i see it. 🙂
Same here, they say they’ll build it, but they wont say when. I love some of the new sky scrapers in London. Alot of thought is put behind them and it shows. Good, high quality design….. you just can’t beat it.
some of the buildings in london are nice yes. i love the easter egg one but can never think of it’s name.
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