Developments in Cork

@rumpelstiltskin wrote:

I personally think Patrick Street it too wide and full of ugly buildings. South Mall is, I will agree, a rather nice street but it has its fair share of ugly buildings too.

I’ve lived in both Limerick and Cork and enjoyed both cities. I’ll admit that at present Cork is a more pleasant place to stroll around. However, when I lived there I found it really irritating that Cork people continually knocked Limerick as a dump that nobody could possibly want to visit, whereas Cork was “the real capital of Ireland.”

The facts are these:
Limerick’s extensive network of Georgian streets is better than Cork’s collection of pleasant but nondescript 19th century buildings.
Limerick’s St. Mary’s Cathedral is infinitely more interesting than St. Colman’s Cathedral.
Limerick’s got a medieval castle which Cork does not.
Limerick’s Hunt Museum is better than every museum in Cork put together.
Limerick’s river has a certain epic sweep which Cork’s tiny river lacks.
Cork has better coffee shops and a more laid back atmosphere.
Cork’s market is infinitely better than Limerick’s.
Cork’s got a better cultural scene than Limerick.

Overall, Limerick is fundamentally a more beautiful city than Cork, but it’s very grubby and people don’t notice it. When Limerick cleans itself up it could be the most beautiful city in Ireland. Cork alas could never have that distinction.

This has to be one of the funniest wums ever seeing as Cork is actually called “Beautiful City”

Corks network of pedestrianised streets,compact walkable city centre,bridges,port and harbour vistas,topography of its hills and feels more like continental French city than the English feel to Dublin and parts of Limerick that have the Georgian influence.

Introducing Cork City
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Cork buzzes with the energy of a city that’s certain of its place in Ireland. Indeed, so confident is the former ‘Rebel City’ that locals only half-jokingly refer to it as the ‘People’s Republic of Cork’. The city has long been dismissive of Dublin and with a burgeoning arts, music and restaurant scene, it’s now getting a cultural reputation to rival the capital’s.

The River Lee flows around the centre, an island packed with grand Georgian parades, cramped 17th-century alleys and modern masterpieces such as the opera house. The flurry of urban renewal that began with the city’s stint in 2005 as European Capital of Culture continues apace, with new buildings, bars and arts centres springing up all over town. The best of the city is still happily traditional though – snug pubs with live music sessions most of the week, excellent local produce in an ever-expanding list of restaurants and a genuinely proud welcome from the locals.

@rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Well just because being built on a grid pattern contributes to a sense of being city-like, it doesn’t mean that not being built on a grid pattern implies a place is not city-like. I know Cork people love to harp on about how they can challenge Dublin for supremacy. But, in reality, Cork has one really inelegant main street and a bunch of tiny streets coming off it. And the little stream running through it contributes to the sense of being in a smallish town. It reminds me of some place like Athlone or Tralee. Limerick is built on a very wide river and has wider streets. It may be an illusion, but my impression is of a bigger place. It’s also got a lot more going for it in terms of historical attractions and potential. In short, Limerick is by any standards infinitely superior to Cork and the real second city of Ireland.

Take a look at some of his other posts. This guy is just messing about.

@Cliff Barnes wrote:

This has to be one of the funniest wums ever seeing as Cork is actually called “Beautiful City”

Corks network of pedestrianised streets,compact walkable city centre,bridges,port and harbour vistas,topography of its hills and feels more like continental French city than the English feel to Dublin and parts of Limerick that have the Georgian influence.

Introducing Cork City
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Cork buzzes with the energy of a city that’s certain of its place in Ireland. Indeed, so confident is the former ‘Rebel City’ that locals only half-jokingly refer to it as the ‘People’s Republic of Cork’. The city has long been dismissive of Dublin and with a burgeoning arts, music and restaurant scene, it’s now getting a cultural reputation to rival the capital’s.

The River Lee flows around the centre, an island packed with grand Georgian parades, cramped 17th-century alleys and modern masterpieces such as the opera house. The flurry of urban renewal that began with the city’s stint in 2005 as European Capital of Culture continues apace, with new buildings, bars and arts centres springing up all over town. The best of the city is still happily traditional though – snug pubs with live music sessions most of the week, excellent local produce in an ever-expanding list of restaurants and a genuinely proud welcome from the locals.

Ok, list all the “grand Georgian parades”. And 17th century alleys? Is there one 17th building left in the whole of Cork? And does anybody really think the Opera House is a masterpiece of modern architecture? On an architectural forum of all places?

@mickeydocs wrote:

How many pedestrian streets do you want (Paul Street, Princes Street, Winthrop St. Oliver Plunket St. (partial), etc.)? Cork led the way in relation to this almost 30 years ago.

Trying to ignore the Cork v Limerick fight, I’ll run back to this comment.

To my mind pedestrianised streets are not entirely good things. They have a tendency to become deserted and unused after dark.

But what I would like to see is more areas like Oliver Plunkett St, which is pedestrianised during shopping hours, but then opened up to cars outside them. I’d also like to see private cars off Pana.

There are certainly some candidate streets for pedestrianisation or at least partial pedestrianisation – Castle St, Liberty St, Cross St, Hanover St, Drawbridge St.

@dave123 wrote:

Mickey docks rather then been totally defensive, there are pros and cons going for both cities, though Limerick city centre is very impressive now considering it was one of the most run down cities in the country at one time.

Cork maybe a bigger town, doesnt give a whole lot more merit just for the size argument. The City of limerick is fairly large and simalar size of Corks. Thats when you combine Englishtown, Iriishtown, georgian quarter and the Riverfront. Limerick half the size of cork and the metropolitian area of Cork is bigger, so what. We are really talking about the architecture and cities image here. Limerick’s population growth is growing faster than Cork in most of the previous censuses

http://beyond2020.cso.ie/Census/TableViewer/tableView.aspx?ReportId=75467
Dave, according to this Limerick city declined 2.7% and Cork city by 3%, so I’m not sure where you are getting teh ‘growing faster than’ information. The population of County Limerick has seen significant growth of 8.4% but this is well behind the 11% growth in County Cork (main growth area is great Cork). These are figures from the CSO, but maybe you’ll argue that there was a rugby game on that day (of course Munster fans only come from Limerick).

The two cities are incomparable size wise and population wise. Cork plus suburbs is approximately 200k, Limerick plus suburbs 90k. Greater Cork is over 300k, Greater Limerick 125k. This may not be three times the population, but not too far away from three times.

The interpretation of aesthetics is subjective. Limerick doesn’t have an equivalent of the South Mall or Grand Parade, and Patrick Street is what O’Connell Street would like to be.

However before descending any further into tribalism shall I just point out that my family are originally from Adare in Co. Limerick so we have a certain amount of respect for that County…

@mickeydocs wrote:

http://beyond2020.cso.ie/Census/TableViewer/tableView.aspx?ReportId=75467
Dave, according to this Limerick city declined 2.7% and Cork city by 3%, so I’m not sure where you are getting teh ‘growing faster than’ information. The population of County Limerick has seen significant growth of 8.4% but this is well behind the 11% growth in County Cork (main growth area is great Cork). These are figures from the CSO, but maybe you’ll argue that there was a rugby game on that day (of course Munster fans only come from Limerick).

Limerick city has grown faster than cork, which includes city and suburbs of both cities. In both this census and last census. There is still much inaccuracy in the Limerick results since thousands left the city that very day for the Munster match imo.

Btw Limerick metropolitician population actually contributes the burgeoning growth of North Cork, since Charelville is on the border and is now dorimotory town to Limerick city. look at the amount of limerick developers have built around the town… Limerick agglomeration is also responsible for Making North Tipp growing by 8.7% almost 6percent more than the previous census. Limerick is severely underbouded in so many aspects.

The two cities are incomparable size wise and population wise. Cork plus suburbs is approximately 200k, Limerick plus suburbs 90k. Greater Cork is over 300k, Greater Limerick 125k. This may not be three times the population, but not too far away from three times.

If your going to quote figures, can you actually stick to the facts and not bullshit me please.

Cork is 190,000 and LImerick is 91,000. Not Limerick 90,000 and Cork 200,000. See I’m giving a balanced view even though im backing up Limerick. Whereas you are blowing up artificial figures off your head. Greater Limerick is actually 213,000. Cork is 250,000..:rolleyes:

Ennis has a population of 30,000…. and planned population of 70,000 like Drogheha and is one of the fastest growing towns in this country. and is only 20miles from Limerick.

Nenagh has a population of 7,500, and has one of the fastest growth rate in the country. Limerick is has a growth rate of 8.4 percent slightly lower than Corks, because Limerick’s agglomeration is spilling into three counties….. Thats the difference.

The interpretation of aesthetics is subjective. Limerick doesn’t have an equivalent of the South Mall or Grand Parade, and Patrick Street is what O’Connell Street would like to be.

Cork doesn’t have a grid street network and a old medievel english town network does it? O’Connell street doesnt need to Model Cork, it has always been the agenda to improve this street but its going ahead when the City ring road is completed.

However before descending any further into tribalism shall I just point out that my family are originally from Adare in Co. Limerick so we have a certain amount of respect for that County…

Well I’m not from Limerick but I’m not here to champion Limerick, just want to straighten out your facts and make them appear less tribal.

Jesus lads, can we not just pair up and take the piss out of Dublin?

@dave123 wrote:

Limerick city has grown faster than cork, which includes city and suburbs of both cities. In both this census and last census. There is still much inaccuracy in the Limerick results since thousands left the city that very day for the Munster match imo.

Btw Limerick metropolitician population actually contributes the burgeoning growth of North Cork, since Charelville is on the border and is now dorimotory town to Limerick city. look at the amount of limerick developers have built around the town… Limerick agglomeration is also responsible for Making North Tipp growing by 8.7% almost 6percent more than the previous census. Limerick is severely underbouded in so many aspects.
If your going to quote figures, can you actually stick to the facts and not bullshit me please.

Cork is 190,000 and LImerick is 91,000. Not Limerick 90,000 and Cork 200,000. See I’m giving a balanced view even though im backing up Limerick. Whereas you are blowing up artificial figures off your head. Greater Limerick is actually 213,000. Cork is 250,000..:rolleyes:

Ennis has a population of 30,000…. and planned population of 70,000 like Drogheha and is one of the fastest growing towns in this country. and is only 20miles from Limerick.

Nenagh has a population of 7,500, and has one of the fastest growth rate in the country. Limerick is has a growth rate of 8.4 percent slightly lower than Corks, because Limerick’s agglomeration is spilling into three counties….. Thats the difference.

Cork doesn’t have a grid street network and a old medievel english town network does it? O’Connell street doesnt need to Model Cork, it has always been the agenda to improve this street but its going ahead when the City ring road is completed.

Well I’m not from Limerick but I’m not here to champion Limerick, just want to straighten out your facts and make them appear less tribal.

I’m convinced you are on drugs as you exist in a parallel universe. The census is not arbitrary. The growth rates for the ‘greater’ areas of Limerick that spill into other counties is below 10%. The suburban area of Cork is growing at 12%, only greater Dublin grows faster than this.
Cork is not an area in decline, it is an area with a very quickly changing demographic, moving from city core to a greater metropolitan hub. The greater area is in excess of 300,000, and the radius is never greater than 20 miles. What is the radius for greater Limerick?

@bosco wrote:

Wilie O’Dea? 🙂

Apparently one of the reasons the population of Limerick is often underestimated is that there’s an entire community of Limerick’s most vulnerable living inside his enormous moustache.

@mickeydocs wrote:

I’m convinced you are on drugs as you exist in a parallel universe. The census is not arbitrary. The growth rates for the ‘greater’ areas of Limerick that spill into other counties is below 10%. The suburban area of Cork is growing at 12%, only greater Dublin grows faster than this.
Cork is not an area in decline, it is an area with a very quickly changing demographic, moving from city core to a greater metropolitan hub. The greater area is in excess of 300,000, and the radius is never greater than 20 miles. What is the radius for greater Limerick?

City and suburbs of both.

Limerick grew faster of the two. in this census, and the census before that. The reason why Limerick didnt grow as fast as county Cork is because Limerick metropolitician agglomeration spreads into three counties.

Nenagh and Ennis had growth rates of nearly 15%. But I’m not arguing your points. I just want to make sure your aware of the facts. And that Limericks population is incredibly undermined. Its even used for such sling shots on these threads. For example most people sprout Galway is bigger than Limerick. When the official boundary divisions are inaccurate and flawed to determine population stats when the boundaries have changed little in 3/4generations.

Limerick city is growing as fast as the other regions. The city of Limerick is going through some great rejuivention right now. Its now taking its place to be one of the most attractive feel good cities in Ireland. Something it was never judged as. Regardless of the census result’s both cities have really outdated boundaries and need to be widened asap.