Developments in Cork
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Has the recent budget had any effect on plans for the river crossing from Tivoli to Pair Ui Caoimh ? I couldn’t find any direct reference to it. Although, the Minister did announce the Kilbarry station on the Cork-Mallow line is being delayed.
they didnt say that the tivoli brudge would be affected, because i think that bridge wasnt in the government funds remit anyway, an application for EU funding is winding its way through govt departments and the EU
Noel Dempsey has had the absolute unbelievable neck to say the Kilbarry station will be delayed because the proposed housing development in Blarney was delayed. However, the Blarney development is delayed because Bord Pleanala only gave permission in the last few months for about one third of the original plan to go ahead becuase the services infrastructure isnt in place (i.e. Cork COunty Council are dragging their heels again).
Imagine the Minister for Transport, publicly admitting, that the government policy, is to build transport infrastructure, only when all the houses have been built, are these guys for real? How many more times must the bleeding obvious be pointed out to them that if grants of permission for up to 2500 houses are going to be made, then the infrastructure has to be put in with it, beforehand. Noel is hoping the developer is in trouble, wont build the houses and then he wont have to shell out for a station or at least wont have to build it for a few years. So why doesnt he just come out and say that? Idiot.
So you have the minister for transport delaying a station for commuters because he says the housing development is delayed but you have Bord Pleanala saying the development cant go ahead until the station is built.
THe government are spectacular idiots.
Kilbarry has nothing to do with Blarney anyway.
The number of journeys between Blarney and Kilbarry on the line would be trivial and there’s no cost savings to be made by building the two at the same time.
I wonder how much was paid in development levies by all the new developments that went up in Blackpool?
Government wasnt invented to work. It was invented for cleptocratic purposes. You are expecting entirely too much from them.
You mean the guy in charge let THAT happen?
Somebody call Cristo to wrap it up.
Anybody seen the job done on the Old school of music on Wellington Road, beautiful mix of old & new, McNamara’s have definitely done the area a service by restoring the old building especially since it is empty & may be for some time with all of the office space around at the moment.
one of the nicer schemes in the city centre in my opinion, highly contemporary but sensitive insertion into the streetscape. also, one of the few good attempts at inserting a new building into the inner northern ridge – when viewed from city centre it reads particularly well. pity STW didnt take a similar approach on ucc’s IT building and the Sullivan’s Quay scheme.
Wow! This thread is confusing.
Now that we have a Cork Forum, is there any chance people could post new threads on each development, project, or topic ?
It’s almost impossible to find anything in this enormous mega thread.
Perhaps it should now be closed and locked?
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not sure what thread this would go under apart from Developments in Cork, so just FYI, SDR Developments were given the nod from Bord Pleanala for a mixed office/retail scheme in the vacant site on the South Link Rd in behind OB Heating. Think it will be 5 storeys of about 9000 sqm.
Big news day today by the standards of the last few months
– permission granted w/o Bord Pleanala involvement on Atlantic Quarter (whether they break ground on it this year remains to be seen – expect they’ll tuck away the grant of permission and wait for sunnier days)
– O’Callaghan applying for permission (change of use from c.100 apartments I think) to build a private hospital on his Jurys Hotel site on Western Road
– Howard applied for permission on the old Cork Warehouse site on the quay
– SDR – as aboveJust recently visiting limerick for the first time and was shocked at how much more developed the city centre is too compared to cork. Some nice new buildings and pedestrianised streets with a lot of good offerings in shopping and food. Im not really sure what it is but if i had to say it must have something to do with the planning authorities and whose at the healm. I think theres to many small minded people in the planning department in cork who are doing the city no good. like for instance they say they want to encourage more people to live in the city centre so as to make it vibrant and to help elleveate urban sprawl so why then any time there is any high rise development do they always drastically cut it. Its also baffeling why they are putting a cap on buildings in the docklands to something like 7 storeys when there is an opportunity to have an immpresive waterfront to rival anything in Europe. Another shocking example is the cap cinema site, the new version of the plans that were given the go ahead are small and dingy and shows you the idea these people have for the city. Why are they so afraid of big developments if they want Cork to be a rival to Dublin or any other city in the country and if like they are always saying, they want to promote Cork as a short break tourist destination. Another reason these people got on my nerves recently was there objection to the commuter ferry which can be of only a benefit to the city as a public transport and tourist point of view. Which is after making me think of something else as it could be a stop off of the ferry, if they would get off there holes and push spike as a tourist attraction which could attract thousands of visitors a year and would give Cork a world class tourist attraction which is another thing to stop tourists fleeing to kerry and to encorage them to stay in the city aswell as beamish and crawford which i think should be partly developed commercially as it is a big enough site to cater for a tourist attraction and what i think would be a good idea is maybe is a food hall as Cork is ragarded as the gourmet capital of Ireland with maybe a few niche shops and maybe one or two pub/restaurants serving locally produced beers such as kinsale etc. Another massive blow to the city aswell is the failure of these people to get the redevelopment of cornmaket st pushed through when there was money there, another huge blow to the city from a tourist point of view. Nearly forgot to mention there refusal aswell for plans for a waterpark near pairc ui caoimh, i honestly cant understand these people they are constanly contradicting themselves. This also could of been a massive boost to the city for Cork children themeselves but would of been a good attraction for tourists aswell as attracting hundreds of school tours etc to the city. Just wondering does anyone else know why Limerick or anywhere else for that matter is so much more developed and why Cork is lacking in shopping and food offerings so badly in the city centre and why Cork has trouble attracting retailers and units are left vacent for so long such as any street in the city centre or evan the new cornmarket st centre? Sorry rant over! Just wondering as well do does anyone know who bought the site across from Mahon Retail Park or what’s happing with the murrayford site by cornmarket st or the library site
@Pug wrote:
not sure what thread this would go under apart from Developments in Cork, so just FYI, SDR Developments were given the nod from Bord Pleanala for a mixed office/retail scheme in the vacant site on the South Link Rd in behind OB Heating. Think it will be 5 storeys of about 9000 sqm.
It looks pretty decent overall to me, however I would have one concern, it being that the development would obliterate even more of the view of the northern ridge coming in along the South Link, the Elysian having taken care of the most of it. It is hard to tell though from the photomontage:
http://planning.corkcity.ie/idocs/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=71762&format=djvu
@daniel_7 wrote:
Just recently visiting limerick for the first time and was shocked at how much more developed the city centre is too compared to cork. Some nice new buildings and pedestrianised streets with a lot of good offerings in shopping and food. Im not really sure what it is but if i had to say it must have something to do with the planning authorities and whose at the healm. I think theres to many small minded people in the planning department in cork who are doing the city no good. like for instance they say they want to encourage more people to live in the city centre so as to make it vibrant and to help elleveate urban sprawl so why then any time there is any high rise development do they always drastically cut it. Its also baffeling why they are putting a cap on buildings in the docklands to something like 7 storeys when there is an opportunity to have an immpresive waterfront to rival anything in Europe. Another shocking example is the cap cinema site, the new version of the plans that were given the go ahead are small and dingy and shows you the idea these people have for the city. Why are they so afraid of big developments if they want Cork to be a rival to Dublin or any other city in the country and if like they are always saying, they want to promote Cork as a short break tourist destination. Another reason these people got on my nerves recently was there objection to the commuter ferry which can be of only a benefit to the city as a public transport and tourist point of view. Which is after making me think of something else as it could be a stop off of the ferry, if they would get off there holes and push spike as a tourist attraction which could attract thousands of visitors a year and would give Cork a world class tourist attraction which is another thing to stop tourists fleeing to kerry and to encorage them to stay in the city aswell as beamish and crawford which i think should be partly developed commercially as it is a big enough site to cater for a tourist attraction and what i think would be a good idea is maybe is a food hall as Cork is ragarded as the gourmet capital of Ireland with maybe a few niche shops and maybe one or two pub/restaurants serving locally produced beers such as kinsale etc. Another massive blow to the city aswell is the failure of these people to get the redevelopment of cornmaket st pushed through when there was money there, another huge blow to the city from a tourist point of view. Nearly forgot to mention there refusal aswell for plans for a waterpark near pairc ui caoimh, i honestly cant understand these people they are constanly contradicting themselves. This also could of been a massive boost to the city for Cork children themeselves but would of been a good attraction for tourists aswell as attracting hundreds of school tours etc to the city. Just wondering does anyone else know why Limerick or anywhere else for that matter is so much more developed and why Cork is lacking in shopping and food offerings so badly in the city centre and why Cork has trouble attracting retailers and units are left vacent for so long such as any street in the city centre or evan the new cornmarket st centre? Sorry rant over! Just wondering as well do does anyone know who bought the site across from Mahon Retail Park or what’s happing with the murrayford site by cornmarket st or the library site
How many pedestrian streets do you want (Paul Street, Princes Street, Winthrop St. Oliver Plunket St. (partial), etc.)? Cork led the way in relation to this almost 30 years ago.
@mickeydocs wrote:
How many pedestrian streets do you want (Paul Street, Princes Street, Winthrop St. Oliver Plunket St. (partial), etc.)? Cork led the way in relation to this almost 30 years ago.
I’d agree that Limerick’s pedestrianisation effort thus far has far outstripped Cork’s. It’s simply because the colour of the new pavements in Limerick looks a lot more elegant, especially juxtaposed with the Georgian buildings. The pedestrianisation of Patrick St. and Grand Parade is, in my opinion, not good. The pattern chosen looks blotchy and dirty and too grey. Also, in general, Limerick looks more like a city than Cork with its grid pattern streets and general layout.
@rumpelstiltskin wrote:
I’d agree that Limerick’s pedestrianisation effort thus far has far outstripped Cork’s. It’s simply because the colour of the new pavements in Limerick looks a lot more elegant, especially juxtaposed with the Georgian buildings. The pedestrianisation of Patrick St. and Grand Parade is, in my opinion, not good. The pattern chosen looks blotchy and dirty and too grey. Also, in general, Limerick looks more like a city than Cork with its grid pattern streets and general layout.
There must be another Limerick other than the one on the Shannon does not in any way look more like a city than Cork.
Paris conforms to a snail rather than a grid, does this mean it is also less of a city than Limerick?
@mickeydocs wrote:
There must be another Limerick other than the one on the Shannon does not in any way look more like a city than Cork.
Paris conforms to a snail rather than a grid, does this mean it is also less of a city than Limerick?
Well just because being built on a grid pattern contributes to a sense of being city-like, it doesn’t mean that not being built on a grid pattern implies a place is not city-like. I know Cork people love to harp on about how they can challenge Dublin for supremacy. But, in reality, Cork has one really inelegant main street and a bunch of tiny streets coming off it. And the little stream running through it contributes to the sense of being in a smallish town. It reminds me of some place like Athlone or Tralee. Limerick is built on a very wide river and has wider streets. It may be an illusion, but my impression is of a bigger place. It’s also got a lot more going for it in terms of historical attractions and potential. In short, Limerick is by any standards infinitely superior to Cork and the real second city of Ireland.
@rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Well just because being built on a grid pattern contributes to a sense of being city-like, it doesn’t mean that not being built on a grid pattern implies a place is not city-like. I know Cork people love to harp on about how they can challenge Dublin for supremacy. But, in reality, Cork has one really inelegant main street and a bunch of tiny streets coming off it. And the little stream running through it contributes to the sense of being in a smallish town. It reminds me of some place like Athlone or Tralee. Limerick is built on a very wide river and has wider streets. It may be an illusion, but my impression is of a bigger place. It’s also got a lot more going for it in terms of historical attractions and potential. In short, Limerick is by any standards infinitely superior to Cork and the real second city of Ireland.
Cheers rumpel… you are a wum.
No one in Cork talks about supremacy. We acknowledge that our town is a mid size provincial town that would at best be a suburb of London or Paris.Our main thoroughfare is certainly not inelegant – try taking a look at some of the buildings. The South Mall is by far the nicest business street in the country.
The beauty of Cork for me is that it is a small town – but at almost three times the population of Limerick, a much bigger small town than Limerick. Cork is full of historical attractions, but of course you’d have to park your willingness to knock everything that Cork is before being able to take an objective look at my town.
@mickeydocs wrote:
Cheers rumpel… you are a wum.
No one in Cork talks about supremacy. We acknowledge that our town is a mid size provincial town that would at best be a suburb of London or Paris.Our main thoroughfare is certainly not inelegant – try taking a look at some of the buildings. The South Mall is by far the nicest business street in the country.
The beauty of Cork for me is that it is a small town – but at almost three times the population of Limerick, a much bigger small town than Limerick. Cork is full of historical attractions, but of course you’d have to park your willingness to knock everything that Cork is before being able to take an objective look at my town.
Mickey docks rather then been totally defensive, there are pros and cons going for both cities, though Limerick city centre is very impressive now considering it was one of the most run down cities in the country at one time.
Cork maybe a bigger town, doesnt give a whole lot more merit just for the size argument. The City of limerick is fairly large and simalar size of Corks. Thats when you combine Englishtown, Iriishtown, georgian quarter and the Riverfront. Limerick half the size of cork and the metropolitian area of Cork is bigger, so what. We are really talking about the architecture and cities image here. Limerick’s population growth is growing faster than Cork in most of the previous censuses
@mickeydocs wrote:
Cheers rumpel… you are a wum.
No one in Cork talks about supremacy. We acknowledge that our town is a mid size provincial town that would at best be a suburb of London or Paris.Our main thoroughfare is certainly not inelegant – try taking a look at some of the buildings. The South Mall is by far the nicest business street in the country.
The beauty of Cork for me is that it is a small town – but at almost three times the population of Limerick, a much bigger small town than Limerick. Cork is full of historical attractions, but of course you’d have to park your willingness to knock everything that Cork is before being able to take an objective look at my town.
I personally think Patrick Street it too wide and full of ugly buildings. South Mall is, I will agree, a rather nice street but it has its fair share of ugly buildings too.
I’ve lived in both Limerick and Cork and enjoyed both cities. I’ll admit that at present Cork is a more pleasant place to stroll around. However, when I lived there I found it really irritating that Cork people continually knocked Limerick as a dump that nobody could possibly want to visit, whereas Cork was “the real capital of Ireland.”
The facts are these:
Limerick’s extensive network of Georgian streets is better than Cork’s collection of pleasant but nondescript 19th century buildings.
Limerick’s St. Mary’s Cathedral is infinitely more interesting than St. Colman’s Cathedral.
Limerick’s got a medieval castle which Cork does not.
Limerick’s Hunt Museum is better than every museum in Cork put together.
Limerick’s river has a certain epic sweep which Cork’s tiny river lacks.
Cork has better coffee shops and a more laid back atmosphere.
Cork’s market is infinitely better than Limerick’s.
Cork’s got a better cultural scene than Limerick.Overall, Limerick is fundamentally a more beautiful city than Cork, but it’s very grubby and people don’t notice it. When Limerick cleans itself up it could be the most beautiful city in Ireland. Cork alas could never have that distinction.
And, btw, your statement that Cork has three times the population of Limerick is ridiculous.
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