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  • #781998
    Radioactiveman
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    A decision is due on Frinailla’s City Library development today.

    #781999
    Pug
    Participant

    @kite wrote:

    :rolleyes: In fairness, most of those muppets could not tell you what day it is.
    Wonder if “Micky the lier” will make a statement?

    mickey made a brief and pointless statement yesterday through Dept of Enterprise – in the media the local councillors are saying he knew all along but he denied it strenuously

    You are dead right about the muppets

    #782000
    jungle
    Participant

    He’s doing a bit better than Ned O’Keeffe who has accused the government and local Fianna Fail TDs of lying.

    Erm, Ned, that would be you…

    #782001
    THE_Chris
    Participant

    @Radioactiveman wrote:

    A decision is due on Frinailla’s City Library development today.

    Fingers crossed that’ll be shot down 😀 Completly over the top for the area and ugly to boot.

    #782002
    kite
    Participant

    From the front page of today’s Cork Independent.
    Environment Minister opposes plans for new Central Library

    EXCLUSIVE by David Forsythe

    PLANS to redevelop Cork’s Central Library on Grand Parade could be in jeopardy following a strongly worded recommendation from ‘ the Department of Environment, Heritage and Local Government opposing a plan for a mixed used development by Frinailla Developments on the site that will include a new library building.
    In a hard-hitting letter to City Manager Joe Gavin and Frinailla Developments the Department states that, “It is highly likely that the development as proposed will have a major impact on archaeological remains surviving both above and below present ground level.”
    The recommendation also states,
    “We have serious concerns about the proposal as presented. No attempt has been made by the developer to minimize the impact of this development on archaeological material”.
    It says that the mixed use proposal is contrary , to both local and national planning guidelines, will I obliterate a remaining section of the City Wall and is situated above “a hugely significant part of the city, with surviving Hiberno Norse settlement of national significance on a par with material recovered from Wood Quay, Dublin and Waterford city excavations”.
    The Department also recommends the retention of the 1929 City library and 56 Grand Parade, both of which are on the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage and of which will be demolished for the new development.
    According to the Department, “In our opinion, the development in its current form would have an adverse effect on the architectural heritage of Cork city centre and is out of scale with, and unsympathetic to, the existing historic built environment
    “We would therefore recommend the consideration of alternative proposals for this site which would allow for the sensitive adaptation and reuse of the existing structures and the conservation of existing street-scapes”.
    A spokesperson for the Minister pointed out to the Cork Independent that, “It’s important to note that the development in question is not just a library, but a large commercial development too.
    “It should also be noted that the Minister does not have power to block a planning application, he is a statutory consultee only.
    “The Minister can make comments and suggestions to the local authority in the hope that they will take his views on board. If they don’t, and grant permission anyway, he can appeal through An Bord Pleanala.”
    Frinailla Development’s Grand Parade Plaza proposal includes a new 5,640 sq m library, twice the size of the current one along with offices, retail and residential developments.
    The recommendation from the Department indicates a much more critical attitude to planning issues under Green Party Minister John Gormley than under his predecessor Dick Roche.
    Cork City Council were contacted for comment but had not responded by time of press.

    #782003
    Pug
    Participant

    is this an “exclusive” or did the reporter just go on to the city council website, check the plans and read the submission from the dept of the environment?

    #782004
    corkindo
    Participant

    @Pug wrote:

    is this an “exclusive” or did the reporter just go on to the city council website, check the plans and read the submission from the dept of the environment?

    Submissions was made on Tuesday smartass

    #782005
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    A decision on Frinailla’s City Library has been pushed back to 2nd November.

    #782006
    Pug
    Participant

    @corkindo wrote:

    Submissions was made on Tuesday smartass

    descend slowly from your high horse there now lad and “rein” in your sarcasm – i was talking about the submission made on the 14th Sept and acknowledged on the 24th sept, by the Dept., which broadly echoes exactly what was reported in the paper about that part of the city being extremely old, parts of the city wall possibly being still in the city library and archaelogical remains to be considered carefully- that is all

    #782007
    Leesider
    Participant

    @Leesider wrote:

    2 developemnts I was looking forward to that have got planning but have gone ahead yet, Paul Kenny’s Patrick’s Quay development and the Water St development, is there any news as to when they will be starting?

    Also has anything come of the building for Clontarf St?

    stop fighting over a decision that’s not due til 2nd Nov and answer my questions 😉

    #782008
    browser
    Participant
    Leesider wrote:
    stop fighting over a decision that’s not due til 2nd Nov and answer my questions ]

    Leesider not sure if this is any help but the Kenny group is splitting up with Paul Kenny taking the cork business. I suspect this is the delay at treasury building. I doubt commencement is imminent.

    #782009
    old man troy
    Participant

    I know this is off topic, but does anyone know if Cork Citys brownfield sites have ever been mapped?

    #782010
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    Speculation is rife that the Mercy Hospital and the South Infirmary Hospital are to merge on a new site. A planned press conference at lunchtime in the City should shed some light on the subject. Three sites mooted as the new hospital location are:
    Blarney
    Sarsfield Court
    Docklands.

    A number of rumours link Howard Holdings with the docklands site.
    Whoever does the deal will obtain two massive ciy centre hospital sites for future mixed use development (although both with serious restrictions due to heritage matters).

    #782011
    jungle
    Participant

    Just after they’ve built the breast check facility next to the South Infirmary :rolleyes:

    I hope it’s a Docklands site as I’d like to see a hospital retained somewhere fairly centrally.

    #782012
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    @jungle wrote:

    Just after they’ve built the breast check facility next to the South Infirmary :rolleyes:

    I hope it’s a Docklands site as I’d like to see a hospital retained somewhere fairly centrally.

    Any merger and move would have to take at least a decade, so the hospitals will have to develop until then.
    Agreed, a docklands site would be my favourite too.

    #782013
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    @Radioactiveman wrote:

    Any merger and move would have to take at least a decade, so the hospitals will have to develop until then.
    Agreed, a docklands site would be my favourite too.

    A city centre location makes more sense with regards to accessibility.

    #782014
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    @mickeydocs wrote:

    A city centre location makes more sense with regards to accessibility.

    Agreed, but in the absence of any city centre site available to accomodate both hospitals on the same site, a docklands site would seem to be the next best option. It could also have considerable advantages with regard to access.
    Blarney and Sarsfield Court would be disasterous moves for the City, especially the Northside. The Mercy is the closest thing the Northside has to a local hospital.

    #782015
    Angry Rebel
    Participant

    Sarsfield Court (not Road!) is near Glanmire, more northside than southside.

    Blarney is northside. Neither would be depriving the northside of a hospital. Docklands remains the best location however IMO.

    #782016
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    I’d suggest its better to keep these hospitals as close to the City as possible. Sarsfield Court and Blarney are just to out of the way.
    It will do no harm for the Docklands development either.

    #782017
    jungle
    Participant

    They certainly need to be kept accessible to public transport as old or sick people are frequently no longer able to drive. That should rule out Sarsfield Court. If they could put it next to the new train station in Blarney (as if it will ever get built…), it shouldn’t be so bad, but Docklands would still be preferable.

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