Developments in Cork
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@Pug wrote:
looks like that grand parade devt has been sent to Further Info
Yep, planners have sought the retention of the entire Central Shoe Store (not just the façade) plus a reduction in height on the former Capital Cinema site.
i can understand trying to keep the facades (in the same way as the facades at parnell place were kind of kept until they fell down) but why would the planners request that the whole Central Shoes stores be kept? surely it will be brought into the retail part of the development anyway and the whole point of increasing the size is to get retailers in who want a bigger footprint? planners cant have it both ways
Might be fine too to scale back the height but wouldnt / shouldnt all that have been discussed in pre planning?
On a different note, Councillor Chris O’ Leary has proposed a motion that Cork City Council meetings be available as webcasts – would have been interesting for the event centre decision – what are the odds of them agreeing to that ?
Fleming Construction Ltd have been refused permission by ABP to redevelop the former Nemo Rangers GAA grounds (overturning CCC’s grant of permission) on the Douglas Road.
The proposal to build 82 houses and 20 duplex apartments was refused for the following reason;“No’s 6 and 7 Beechwood Place form part of an intact terrace of late 19th century houses, which are of architectural heritage value and have been identified as being of regional importance in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage. Notwithstanding the residential zoning objective for the site and the overall good design quality of the proposed development, it is considered that the demolition of these two terraced houses would not accord with the proper planning and sustainable development of the area, by virtue of the architectural significance of the buildings and the impact of their demolition on both the streetscape and on the amenity and value of adjoining residential property. The proposed development would, therefore, seriously injure the amenities of property in the vicinity and be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.”
Access is always going to be a problem with that Nemo site. The alternatives to what was proposed are to put the access between the Cross Douglas Road and Bellair juncions of the Douglas Road (through the FCA site probably), but that leads to three junctions in quick succession on the road, to do a deal with the Southern Health Board and get some of the St Finbarr’s site for access or to access from the South Douglas Road (probably the most likely now).
Anyone have details of what was actually in the plans? 82 houses and 20 apartments sounds quite low density for such a large and central site. I don’t suppose the houses were three storey. It’s the only way to get a decent size house onto some of the plots nowadays. It’s ironic that there were loads built in the 19th century and you scarcely see any now. Maybe they count as high rise…
Todays Examiner is worth a look for articles on:
1. The demolition of the Examiner Office on Academy street, although they are still printing photomontages of previous designs for the new development.2. The proposed new development at Kent Station
3. The proposals for the new City Library development on Grand Parade by Frinailla.
On the last development, (the application for which is also in today’s Examiner) the article states it will include and auditorium, space for exhibitions and a “Cork Hall of Fame” which will be aimed at tourists and cover people who’ve made a significant contribution to the city.
From RTE today:
Patrick’s St in Cork to become a car free zone
Monday, 13 August 2007 11:08
Cork’s main thoroughfare is set to become a car free zone.The pedestrianisation of St Patrick’s Street looks set to happen within the next two years.
The process of restricting traffic is set to come into effect on completion of two multi-million euro projects in the area.
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I’m not quite sure what they are basing this on.
It was always planned, but then seemed to get dropped as a policy.
TBH It would have been better to have had it as policy when the Grand Parade works were going ahead.
In principle I agree with restricting to public transport and taxis only during business hours; we still need to see the exact proposals for what times they’re proposing.
jungle wrote:It was always planned, but then seemed to get dropped as a policy.TBH It would have been better to have had it as policy when the Grand Parade works were going ahead.
In principle I agree with restricting to public transport and taxis only during business hours]
Well, this comes into effect within 2 years, so you’d never know! :p
I wonder if this might have a negative effect. Would you buy a stereo from the Sony Store if you couldn’t pull up a car outside to pick it up? On a rainy day in winter, would you choose to come to town and have to walk to the centre, or drive to Mahon Point and stay dry?
Plans are being drawn up by the parish of Blackpool, the Glen and Ballyvolane, along with Cork City Council which will see the complete refurbishment of St. Brendan’s Church in The Glen along with a large development of affordable housing, a new community centre, and significant landscaping and park work to the surrounding area.
The church has suffered badly from corrosion and wear and tear and is now in need of pretty urgent repair work, particularly to the roof structure. Along with this, the large area of open space surrounding the church is earmarked for affordable housing development and a significant community centre. The new development will be designed to surround the church on three of four sides in order to change its now isolated location.
A masterplan has already been drawn up and exhibited locally. With Cork City Council onside, the planning process should be a harmless enough affair. From the plans I’ve see, the new developments will be modern in design and look like they’ll add significantly to the area.@Radioactiveman wrote:
From RTE today:
Patrick’s St in Cork to become a car free zone
Monday, 13 August 2007 11:08
Cork’s main thoroughfare is set to become a car free zone.The pedestrianisation of St Patrick’s Street looks set to happen within the next two years.
The process of restricting traffic is set to come into effect on completion of two multi-million euro projects in the area.
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I’m not quite sure what they are basing this on.
Fantastic idea, I’ve been saying this for years.
CCC planners refused permission yesterday to Oyster Developments and Jerh O’Connor for their site between Camden Quay and Coburg Street due to the project’s overall scale, the site in question is behind a protected quayside building
I have to say, I’m surprised at that. From what I’ve seen, it looked like a decent proposal with a few problems that could have been ironed out.
P.S. The new Flannery lamps are going in on the Grand Parade, outside the market.
The scaffolding has gone back up on the Jacob’s Mill development – no idea what’s going on there.
What was once a nice view of Trinity church from the end of the South Mall/Peace Park/Nano Nagle bridge is now pretty ordinary – between the ugly piping jutting out of the river bank (and the crumbling bank behind which it seems to have caused), the Jacob’s Mill development, The Elysian peering over the shoulder of the church, and the blank wall of the Copley St. development in the background.:mad:
@Radioactiveman wrote:
From RTE today:
Patrick’s St in Cork to become a car free zone
Monday, 13 August 2007 11:08
Cork’s main thoroughfare is set to become a car free zone.The pedestrianisation of St Patrick’s Street looks set to happen within the next two years.
The process of restricting traffic is set to come into effect on completion of two multi-million euro projects in the area.
END
I’m not quite sure what they are basing this on.
This was reported in the Cork Independent more than a month ago.
@corkindo wrote:
This was reported in the Cork Independent more than a month ago.
This was reported here and in various other local media (probably including the Cork Independent) about two or three years ago, when St. Patrick’s Street was first done. Its a non-story, no decision has been made and none will be made for a year or two.
In other “news”, the former Coal Quay bar has re-opened for business as a wine bar/grill/restaurant. I’m immediately put off by the new name though: “Cornstor”. I bet dropping the ‘e’ makes them feel all hip and groovy and down with the youngsters!!!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
P.S. The new Flannery lamps are going in on the Grand Parade, outside the market.
Really? Are they going all the way down the street? Last time I was in the city I noticed the crappy plain lamposts down the length of the street. I looked for patches of tarmac where they could be put but saw none.
Yes Really!!!
There are plenty of gaps left in the paving to accomodate them. To be honest, I’m more of a fan of the Pitmit lamp myself. Although, because of their size, they are not suitable for all locations. I reckon it will be Flannerys all along the Market side of the street and then Pitmits along the library side, with the new much widened footpaths.I notice that the new Frinailla development at the library will have vehicular access only via South Main Street. Quite rightly to in my opinion. Its a shame that the new footpath by the National Monument is ruined by having to accomodate that god-awful surface carpark which is accessed through a fine georgian (?) building. How long more do we have to put up with that?
Ditto the multi srorey on the other side of the street. The access there is just dangerous. Pedestrians are taking their life in their hands passing that place. It should be removed asap.
Just for a bit of a diversion, here’s a picture of Halley’s comet passing over Grand Parade in 1835. It is a view of the junction of Grand Parade and Tuckey Street. The shop on the corner of Tuckey Street (a bookshop; to the right of the bow-fronted building) is now the location of the famous Hillbillys.
I know that the Flannery lamps are named after Sarah Flannery, but after whom are the Pitmit lamps named after?
Hey came across these pictures of new library off the Frinailla web site and this press release . general up beat stuff that you’d get from developer…
But i got to say i like this design of what i see of it. it’s not too high. it’s imposing in a good way which will break the curves of street scape nicely and at the same thing modernise the street which is over due it.
coming to think of it the street will be totaly different in say 3-4 years once all projects are complete i.e capital and all that block that the library is on etc.
PRESS RELEASE – 9th AUGUST 2007
New state-of-the-art Grand Parade Development
Jewel in the Crown of Cork City
Frinailla Developments will today lodge a planning application for a new state-of-the-art Grand Parade development which will include a world class library facility, retail/ office development as well as quality residential units that will lead to the re-population of a major part of Corks historical core. The development will potentially serve as a catalyst for the regeneration of Grand Parade, South Main Street and the wider environs west of the cities commercial core.
Cork City’s commitment and contribution to the Arts and academic culture is already well established, boasting Ireland’s leading research institute, UCC, and will now be further enhanced as an academic community with a new and improved library facility. Designed by award winning architects Reddy O’Riordain Staehli & Associates, the new city library will be a distinctive civic building with a high street presence and unique profile.
The proposed new city library has a gross floor area of 5,640 m sq or over 60,000 square feet provided over five floors and is more than twice the size of the current library. The new state-of-the-art library is set to become a quality landmark building in Cork City. It is acknowledged that the current Cork City Central Library is no longer adequate in size or in facilities for a city of Cork’s population or status. While the City Library has established itself as an integral feature of the city’s civic and cultural landscape, however the profile of the library does not fully reflect how important the building is as a resource. The quality of the fabric of the existing building is also poor and this is both detrimental to library stock and the image and status of the library within the city.
The key objectives and components of the design of the new city library include the following: the retention of Cork’s principal public library at its current Grand Parade location including the retention of its 1930s Hiberno-Celtic/ Art-Deco façade and to design and construct a sustainable building using energy efficient passive technology. Also the new library will be ambitious in terms of its service and facilities, offering not just a depository of books, but also a place of learning which offers a wide range of adult education classes, career support training together with ancillary meeting areas, a café and a venue for arts and leisure pursuits. The library will provide new services and venues not currently available to the library user such as the multi-purpose auditorium and purpose designed music rooms. Environmental benefits include using natural ventilation, maximising the use of natural light, passive solar energy and the harvesting of rainwater.
The concept for the new expanded City Library is bourn out of both the present and future needs of the Library service as well as the City’s soaring ambition which saw it designated as the European Capital of Culture 2005. The development of enhanced cultural and retail attractions on Grand Parade and the synergy generated will greatly enhance the profile of the Grand Parade and the city.
The proposed mixed use redevelopment anchored by a new and expanded City Library will allow the library to fulfil its function as an integral part of the educational, cultural and artistic fabric of the city. The development of enhanced cultural and retail attractions on Grand Parade and the synergy generated by both on a combined site is in accordance with the policies and objectives of the Cork City Development Plan and will enhance the profile of the city centre.
New street frontages will be constructed on Grand Parade and South Main Street and the present imbalance in the percentage of quality commercial space currently in the area will be addressed through the provision of a wide variety of retail and commercial facilities. Through the process of good urban design it is hoped to project a contemporary image and deliver an integrated development that will help boost the city pride and see the economic and social benefits spread over a wide area.
Also, the development will house a major new tourist attraction for the City. The Cork Hall of Fame will consist of a permanent exhibition, paying homage to those individuals who have made outstanding contributions to the development of a positive awareness of Cork on the international scene.
This ambitious development is expected to add to an already progressive and dynamic city culture providing the city with an improved central information resource right in the centre of the city. An area that was previously under-developed, this new development that includes a brand-new and contemporary apartment structure will inject life into this area of Cork City.
A spokesperson for Frinailla Developments said: “We are delighted with our new vision for a new world class central library for Cork City. The significance of the contribution that the development will make towards the urban regeneration of the area should not be underestimated. The Grand Parade which has been home of the current library since 1930 is steeped in history and it seems fitting that Cork should have a building of such cultural and civic importance at its core. With a new plaza, new residents and new quality shopping and leisure activities, the Central Library will at last have a home worthy of its presence and a building based on the best in contemporary library design – innovative and distinctive as well as evocative of the new sense of confidence that surrounds the city of Cork.â€
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