Developments in Cork
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@PTB wrote:
Wife: How about this one?
Husband: I wouldn’t be too keen on the peach
Wife: We’re going with the peach.
Husband: Um..
Wife: We’re going with the peachI’m reminded of the mural on the side wall of the paint shop in Skibbereen – paraphrased – “No paint will be sold to husbands without a note from their wives”.;)
Expect a decision (or an extension) on Padlake’s ambitious plans for their site at Grand Parade/ St. Patrick’s Street in the next few days. It’s certainly a monster of a development!! See pics below.
St. Patrick’s Street elevation drawing:
St. Patrick’s Street elevation photomontage (very ‘clever’ angle on this one):
View from Washington Street:
you would think it might get scaled back but who knows in terms of pre planning talks etc- I think An Taisce want to keep the Central Shoe Stores facade – its due for decision today anyway
Jeeeesuz, that’s a monter! :p It looks fine – from the incredibly deceptive street-level shot!
I quite like the Western elevation, though it doesn’t strike me as a great end-point for Washington St. – don’t know why. Maybe it needs stronger horizontal lines?
Taking another spin on this – does the city centre really need another big shopping centre? With Dunne’s being redeveloped, plus the Academy St. development, plus the huge Cornmarket St. centre (did I read somewhere Paul St. is being redeveloped too?), plus the Bodega was due to be converted to shops – though rumour has it that one has hit a snag – do we really need that much more?
While supply in this case could create demand, are there enough people living in the city centre to justify another one?
Short of attracting an unestablished department store (or god forbid yet another Dunnes…) I’d have thought they might have trouble filling the upper storeys.
Considering the incredible lack since the closure of the Capitol, there could be a case for having just two floors of shops with something like a cinema above it.
Any idea how this impacts on the alley that goes into the Market. Someone mentioned that the Oyster Tavern would be retained and possibly the facade of the Vineyard (Slainte). Although if the facade is retained, the entire ground floor of the pub may as well be.
@who_me wrote:
did I read somewhere Paul St. is being redeveloped too?)
OCP do plan to look at doing that after Academy St and Half Moon. Was in the Business Post.
There are some other dept stores that may look at Cork eventually, John Lewis being the obvious one if and when it eventually opens in Dublin but House of Fraser might look to do something too. Academy St to the best of my knowledge won’t have a single large dept store anyway, focusing instead on relatively large boxes for multiple fashion stores.
Jungle, the internal layout will be the key to whether the upstairs of the scheme will appeal to retailers. If you’ve double height ground floor units with clear access via the middle and outer areas of the centre to the upper floors it’ll be popular enough.
Thanks for the info lawyer & jdivision!
Half Moon St? Is that the development on the quayside (next to the Lavitt’s Quay building), or is there another development shoehorned between the quay and Paul St. on the western side of the street?
Incidentally, are there any images of the development above from Oliver Plunkett St? It is going to be where the Brog/Qube bar venue is now, IINM?
@who_me wrote:
Half Moon St? Is that the development on the quayside (next to the Lavitt’s Quay building), or is there another development shoehorned between the quay and Paul St. on the western side of the street?
Incidentally, are there any images of the development above from Oliver Plunkett St? It is going to be where the Brog/Qube bar venue is now, IINM?
Yes.
I doubt that the development is fronting Oliver plunkett street. It would have to cut through the English Market somehow.
No, the boundary of this new development by Padlake is at the northern side of the market. i.e. does not link up with the market (besides the development at market lane (?) and does not even get close to Oliver Plunkett Street (despite all the the rumours to the contrary a few years back).
Its completly out of scale fro Patrick St and the Grand Parade – Washington St.Junction.
rnotts may be tempted ?
Ah, thanks guys. You’re right – original rumours were that the Brog building had been bought for this purpose; though it would have been an odd, disjointed affair with access to the rest of the store only through the English market.
@malec wrote:
Hmm, this seems like one where lobbing off a few floors would actually be a good idea.
Definitely on the Patricks St. elevation. I think that the Grand Parade can take the height though
@PTB wrote:
Definitely on the Patricks St. elevation. I think that the Grand Parade can take the height though
After reviewing all the elevations this application needs scaling down it on steriods at present.The design for both Patrick Street and Grand Parade would be totally out of context with street scape at present. I havent seen RFi details from Council yet but sure Ronnie & Co will have design team busy making scheme blend into an easier less bucky building. 🙂
I don’t think it’s the scale that’s the problem, I don’t have any problem with height. It’s just the blandness and the desire to be the cheapest that’s humanly possible.
@malec wrote:
I don’t think it’s the scale that’s the problem, I don’t have any problem with height. It’s just the blandness and the desire to be the cheapest that’s humanly possible.
Oh its not so bad, alot better than the origianl proposal which was HORRIFIC, I nearly got sick when I saw it. And I do think it is the scale which is the problem. Patrick St. elevation needs to be scaled way back, Grand Parade slightly, however that could be done, while the facade alongside the English Market is admittedly just plain unacceptable, there was a render of it on the examiner back along. It is basically a blank cladded wall, rising way above the market, and totally ruining all views of it. These guys need their heads screwed on if they think they can get away with that.
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