Developments in Cork
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- April 3, 2007 at 6:11 am #781618
nimbus 2008
ParticipantMPH appealed on March 22nd. They think the Council was totally unfair to them and also did not understand its own Development Plan and LAP. :rolleyes: Revision looms. Open for observations to the Board for two more weeks.
April 3, 2007 at 6:47 am #781619kite
ParticipantIrish Examiner 03 April 2007
Fears as bio-tech giant delays €800m factory project
By Eoin English
US BIOTECHNOLOGY giant Amgen last night announced a two-year delay in the development of its €800 million manufacturing plant in Cork, raising concerns about the project’s future.The company said the decision to reschedule the opening of the plant, with a promise of 1,100 jobs, was taken after a global review of its operations. The first phase of the plant in East Cork — bulk manufacturing capacity-building — was due to open by 2010 but will not open until 2012 at the earliest.
The development of the second phase of the plant — the formulation and milling facility — has also been delayed.The hiring of staff will also be stalled.
A company spokesperson said Amgen remained committed to the project “in “terms of overall investment, plant capacity and overall job numbersâ€.
She said the initial schedule announced last year was aggressive. However, the total employment figure of 1,100 would be reached, she added.
Enterprise Minister Micheál Martin was due to turn the sod on the site at a ceremony on Thursday week, but this has been cancelled.
Mr Martin was briefed on the delay by senior company management yesterday.
“It was a productive meeting during which they outlined the new schedule,†he said. “It is important to note that Amgen remains very positive about Cork and firmly committed to their investment in East Cork.
“The engineering, design and ground work continues.â€
Site work started on the massive plant last November. Amgen has already hired up to 130 people.
Some will continue to work on the Carrigtwohill project but others will be Local Labour councillor, John Mulvihill, described the delay as worrying.
“I am very concerned about this being the thin end of the wedge,†he said.
“There have been a lot of job losses in East Cork in recent years. We all thought Amgen would solve a lot of our unemployment problems. But this news is a major blow to the East Cork region.†re-deployed.
The Amgen investment was last year hailed as the biggest investment in Cork in 20 years.
Three appeals against the project have been lodged with An Bord Pleanála.
A ruling is expected in mid- July
April 3, 2007 at 9:10 am #781620Pug
Participant@nimbus 2008 wrote:
MPH appealed on March 22nd. They think the Council was totally unfair to them and also did not understand its own Development Plan and LAP. :rolleyes: Revision looms. Open for observations to the Board for two more weeks.
Be strong ABP, be strong – if MPH cant see the fundamental need for Martin Cullens promise to redevelop Kent station fully while building up the rest of Horgans Quay then they dont deserve planning. Doesnt the time required at ABP mean at the very least that its delayed until July? Joke.
Shame about Amgen, the Midleton railway might be open by 2012 though. Maybe. M Cullen answered a question to TD David Stanton yesterday stating that he had decided to sign the Raiway Order for Midleton but wouldnt confirm when. So no change whatsoever.
April 3, 2007 at 9:47 am #781621jungle
ParticipantThose living in apartments complain about inadequate storage space, insulation and the size of their kitchens. They also worry about security, and don’t like the views from their concrete boxes.
All but the last of these are symptoms of bad apartment design, rather than apartments being problematic in pricipal.
Her overall thesis is a bit spurious. The same could have been said about inner city terraced housing as the first semi-detached suburbs were in place. Not many of them are lying vacant at the moment.
April 4, 2007 at 9:37 pm #781622kite
ParticipantJohn Cotter’s grant of permission by CCC to demolish an existing house and the construction of 14 no. apartments over basement car parking at “Manakin”, Well Road, Cork was granted by ABP despite the intervention of Cllr.Terry Shannon.
😮 Unfortunately the Board of ABP showed their true “professionalismâ€:rolleyes: again and went against the advice of their inspector who visited the site and viewed all the relevant documentation.April 5, 2007 at 11:40 am #781623Leesider
Participantarticle in the examiner today http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=29619-qqqx=1.asp
we really we need a few strong politicans in Cork
April 5, 2007 at 3:27 pm #781624kite
Participant@Leesider wrote:
article in the examiner today http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=29619-qqqx=1.asp
we really we need a few strong politicans in Cork
That article is very interesting in that the “President†tries to pass the buck about what can now only be described as “the failed docklands project†onto the Government.
Some City Councillors jealousy guarded the docklands redevelopment over the past 7 years from national interference as it could derail their gravy train of foreign junkets (and expenses). Now with the wheels well and truly coming off their bandwagon they get their buddies to protect them from public anger.
Mr. Flack would do better to point the finger of blame on the real culprits such as some of the Councillors appointed to Boards that have dragged their heals and scupper the Docklands project instead of allowing himself to be groomed by a political party for the 2009 local elections, or co-opted after Thursday 24th May depending on who gets the nod to the Dail.April 5, 2007 at 9:35 pm #781625Leesider
ParticipantI would agree with you regarding the docklands that they should got there own house in order first before they can go blaming someone else, but don’t you think central government should have been involved from day one like it was in Dublin…….the will didn’t seem to be there, half of it might have been because of who they would have had to deal with!
Doesn’t take away from the fact that cork politicans are very weak
April 6, 2007 at 12:04 am #781626KenzoTange
Participant@kite wrote:
John Cotter’s grant of permission by CCC to demolish an existing house and the construction of 14 no. apartments over basement car parking at “Manakin”, Well Road, Cork was granted by ABP despite the intervention of Cllr.Terry Shannon.
😮 Unfortunately the Board of ABP showed their true “professionalismâ€:rolleyes: again and went against the advice of their inspector who visited the site and viewed all the relevant documentation.The developer doesn’t actually have access to the site so this development could be a long way off. I was cycling home from a party in Douglas late on Sat night/early Sunday morning last Sept when I say a digger attempting to break entry via a green area. I heard later that the guards were called, etc.
April 6, 2007 at 8:39 am #781627kite
Participant@Leesider wrote:
I would agree with you regarding the docklands that they should got there own house in order first before they can go blaming someone else, but don’t you think central government should have been involved from day one like it was in Dublin…….the will didn’t seem to be there, half of it might have been because of who they would have had to deal with!
Doesn’t take away from the fact that cork politicans are very weak
I agree completely with you Leesider, Cork politicans should hang their heads in shame (and get a tough time over the next few weeks on the doorsteps)
I am reposting my comment of 30th Jan for your information.kite wrote:30/1/07 Tensions have arisen since Christmas between city management and major stakeholders in the docklands area due to the complete lack of movement there over the past years.
Stakeholders have gone over the heads of city management in recent weeks with approaches to Government members to have the development in the area fast tracked, this along with discontented rumblings in the local press has forced city management to assure stakeholders that “when� the CPO is confirmed on the Showgrounds the city will be in a position to plough ahead with this jewel in Cork’s crown.
City Hall are desperate to ensure that the planning of the docklands does not fall out of their control.
QUOTE] 30/1/07April 6, 2007 at 12:04 pm #781628kite
ParticipantCORK CITY COUNCIL
Re; Conference Centre
The provision of an indoor Events Centre to cater for large conferences, concerts, exhibitions etc is of strategic importance to the development of business tourism. Such facility should be capable of accommodating conferences with up to 2,000 attending and for concerts have a capacity for approximately 6,000.
The City Council identified a suitable site close to Kent Station for the Events Centre and included its provision as an objective in the North Docklands Local Area Plan. However, neither the owners of the site nor their development partners have indicated any willingness to facilitate the provision of the Events Centre.
It is considered that the Events Centre should be located generally within a range of two kilometers of the centre city to maximize its economic benefit. Sites to meet the criteria can certainly be found in the Docklands and perhaps in other locations. The City Council is aware of at least two parties who are interested in building and managing a Conference/Events Centre on a commercial basis. To date, however, they have failed to secure a suitable site.
In view of the strategic importance of a Conference/Events Centre to the city, I recommend that the City Council offer to take an equity stake of up to 25% in the venture subject to a maximum of € 12m. This would show the importance which the Council attaches to the provision of a Conference Centre and it should be a strong incentive to secure early delivery.
If the City Council approves this recommendation, proposals will be invited publicly for interested parties to make submissions to provide a suitable site, design, build, fund and manage the facility. Interested parties will be required to give the following details:1. Location of site (within approx. 2 kilometres of city centre)
2. Outline design for Events Centre
3. Whether stand-alone or part of other development
4. Capital cost
5. Time scale for delivery.The City Council’s approval is sought to proceed along these lines.
J. GAVIN,
CITY MANAGER.
5th April, 2007On the same subject, Cllr. P. Gosch is to receive a written reply from the Manager next Tuesday as to
…why a conference centre was not built in Mahon,
…if the developer was fined for not providing the facility there,
…when the fine was paid, and the amount of same.April 6, 2007 at 4:28 pm #781629Pug
Participantkite wrote:CORK CITY COUNCILRe]
thats all well and good but still should have been done a long time ago, sitting and waiting for developers to merrily engage with the City Council and give away some of the value for their site isnt going to happen. At all. If concerts up to 6,000 can be held here all well and good but that should not preclude from Pairc Ui Chaoimh becoming a mulit discipline sports stadium with the capacaity for concerts greater than 6,000.
Tenner says Cork COn becomes some sort of conference/event place….
April 6, 2007 at 4:46 pm #781630kite
Participant@Pug wrote:
thats all well and good but still should have been done a long time ago, sitting and waiting for developers to merrily engage with the City Council and give away some of the value for their site isnt going to happen. At all. If concerts up to 6,000 can be held here all well and good but that should not preclude from Pairc Ui Chaoimh becoming a mulit discipline sports stadium with the capacaity for concerts greater than 6,000.
Tenner says Cork COn becomes some sort of conference/event place….
😉 The 12 million euro sweetener may concentrate minds?
Hopefully it won’t be a case of just the “usual suspects need applyâ€.
Joe Gavin has to wake up to the fact that the “Cork Mafia†has not done the city any favours down through the years.April 6, 2007 at 8:08 pm #781631kite
ParticipantCORK CITY COUNCIL
Re: Huguenot Graveyard, Carey’s Lane
Part 8 (Article 81) Local Government Planning & Development
Regulations 2001BACKGROUND
The Huguenot Cemetery on Carey’s Lane dates back to the 1700’s – at a period when many Huguenots left France due to religious persecution and settled in various countries including Ireland and in Cork, established a Huguenot Quarter in the Carey’s Lane/French Church Street area.Off Carey’s Lane there exists a small cemetery measuring no more that 10m X 10m, but of significant historical interest, it being one of only two such cemeteries in Ireland.
This cemetery has for years been neglected, overgrown and invisible to the public because of a continuous 3 metre high wall along its frontage. To the passer-by, it has all the appearance of a derelict site.In recent months, the City Council purchased the site with a view to restoring the cemetery to a state in keeping with its former use while at the same time, opening it sufficiently to allow the citizens and passer-bys experience a little of the history.
PLANNING
A Scheme for the proposed restoration of the site was prepared by the City Council.
A Notice under Part 8 (Article 81) Local Government (Planning and Development) Regulations 2001 was published in the Public Press on 16th February 2007. At the expiry of the Notice on 30th March 2007, submissions were received from:-Planning Department (City Council)
Huguenots (Dr. Alicia St. Leger)
Building Control (City Council)
Friends of the Huguenot Cemetery Cork
Parks Section, Recreation, Amenity & CultureTHE PROPOSAL
The City Council’s proposal is, to clear the site, deal with any services in the site, insert appropriate paving and pebble stones, restore existing headstones, treat and restore existing internal walls, insert information plaques and in general upgrade what is currently total dereliction, into an appropriate memorial garden to commemorate the historical significance of the site and to awaken an interest in what is by and large and unknown era in the history of Cork.The proposal involves breaking through the existing wall to allow for a 3 metre wide double gate in wrought iron to allow the public to view the garden, and to allow maintenance access.
SUBMISSIONS
The submission from the Planning Department supports broadly the principle of the proposal, and indeed makes suggestions which are helpful and will be taken on board.There is however contention about retaining the masonry wall fronting Carey’s Lane and only have the existing small wicker gate as access. This course of action defeats the purpose of the exercise which is to open up this historic section.
This wall is old, has a very significant vertical crack at the northern end, has a very significant horizontal crack at the southern end, stonework which is non-uniform, uneven rendering on parts of it, a rotting timber lintel over the ope, collapsed stone work over the lintel and has modem brick make-up in a disturbed parts of the reveal.
The wall in not plumb.Furthermore a section of the wall (i.e. 2.4 metres) will be demolished by agreement with adjoining owners on foot of a recent Planning Permission.
This will render the wall unstable in the very narrow Carey’s Lane. In order to overcome this and if a section of the wall has to be taken down and entirely rebuilt, there is a recommendation from the Conservation Officers which will be taken on board.
The submission from the Huguenots (Ms. St. Leger) has a number of recommendations which can be accommodated, many of which are included in the Planning submission.This submission favours the double gate opening as proposed and does not have an issue with the existing wall.
The submissions from Friends of the Huguenots and the Parks Section support the proposal.
It is proposed to proceed with the development.
JOE GAVIN
CITY MANAGER
5th April, 2007April 6, 2007 at 8:33 pm #781632THE_Chris
ParticipantAt least they’re preserving it somewhat rather than putting apartments on top of the graveyard.
April 6, 2007 at 9:28 pm #781633kite
Participant@THE_Chris wrote:
At least they’re preserving it somewhat rather than putting apartments on top of the graveyard.
The Tower of London, the Acropolis in Athens, the Amphitheatre in Rome.
…â€this wall is oldâ€, “has a very significant vertical crack at the northern endâ€, “the wall is not plumb†(City Manager)
…so let’s demolish it??
People have been shot, and hung for less.April 8, 2007 at 8:29 am #781634kite
ParticipantFollowing a fierce anti high rise campaign HRS Developments Ltd. have withdrawn plans for their 5 storey apartment block on the site of the former Esso garage in Douglas.
Cllr. Ciaran Lynch welcomed the “victory for residentsâ€, while Cllr. Michael McGrath said the proposed development would have “set a dangerous precedent for further infill development in the greater Douglas areaâ€
:rolleyes: Not in my back yard, eh?April 8, 2007 at 2:36 pm #781635THE_Chris
Participant“victory for residents”?
Idiots.
April 8, 2007 at 6:40 pm #781636kite
Participant😮 Why doesn’t Cork have a conference centre?
😮 Why are the Cork Docklands destined to possibly be one of the biggest flying pigs in the history of the Country?
😮 Why won’t foreigners (Dubliners etc!) try and take on the chosen few in Cork?
😮 Why is planning in Cork a case of who is asking, not what is being proposed?Could some of the answers be found in today’s newspapers?
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=39&si=1808986&issue_id=15486
April 10, 2007 at 7:25 am #781637theblimp
ParticipantKite – any chance you could post text of that article since reading of same requires membership
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