Developments in Cork
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Academy St is with AnBP
Dunnes will proceed shortly afaik
Cineplex… your guess as good as anyone else’s
I haven’t seen much here about the Beasley St. development – can I assume from the amount of work going on there that the proposed hotel received planning and is already well underway?
Anyone have any information on the potential sale of Douglas Golf club ?
Just looking at the image below, I’m just wondering does anyone else know if there is going to be further developments in the Duoglas. I know the area between Donnybrook and Douglas Golf course looks to be a prime area. Also anyone know if a road between Donnybrook and the old Carrigaline road is finally going to be built ?
@mickeydocs wrote:
any word on Water Street getting started?
I understand it will be starting soon, Ask the people in Cunnane Stratton Reynolds, They will give you more details.
Is there any news about Dunnes Stores selling their Patrick Street Shop!!!!!!
and is TKMaxx coming to Cork?@shrink2cork wrote:
Is there any news about Dunnes Stores selling their Patrick Street Shop!!!!!!
and is TKMaxx coming to Cork?Dunnes is redeveloping so unlikely. TK Maxx likely to sign up for two units in Cork this year, one city centre, one suburban. Schemes mightn’t be completed for a couple of years tho
@Micko wrote:
Anyone have any information on the potential sale of Douglas Golf club ?
The last thing I heard from a club member was that they were considering the sale seriously. The offer to get two courses for their existing one is attractive, but more significant is that as the land around the course has been developed for housing and roads, the course has been forced back from its perimeter and become steadily smaller. As it is expected that this process will continue, there are doubts over the viability of the current location.
Urban golf courses are strange beasts; The Royal Dublin is probably the only the only urban golf course in terms of proximity to a City that I know of that possesses a sense of non-urban calm. There is no doubt that increased densities sap the amenity value from golf courses and the lengths that Elm Park Golf Course went to to object to the adjoining Elm Park development were quite notable. In contrast the Milltown Club in Dublin 14 has been surrounded on all sides for 20-30 years and is one of the most popular clubs in the city.
I always feel that if you want real golf go to the controversialOld Head course or Doonbeg or Lahinch or Woodenbridge. The attraction of having a golf course in an urban area is that whilst urban amenity is being ever eroded you have a peice of the country in the city, you can leave the car in the carpark after a few pints and get a cheap taxi or walk home. Should a remote site with two courses be offered you have to ask is it a good exchange, the only grounds I can think of would be if the current course was inadequate to cater for members to play at the current time.
Today’s Irish Examiner
City looks at options for centreBy Eoin English
STALLED talks have forced Cork’s city manager to consider new sites for a multi-million euro conference centre.Joe Gavin said he will present a detailed report to city councillors within a month which is likely to recommend that the city consider sites other than the council’s favoured Kent station railway location.
Mr Gavin has repeatedly said he favours the construction of a 5,000-6,000 seat conference centre near the railway station on CIÉ-owned Horgan’s Quay land.
The city included the massive project in an ambitious local area plan for Horgan’s Quay which fed into the overall masterplan guiding the regeneration of the city’s docklands.
When CIÉ and their development partners, Manor Park Homes, announced revamp plans for Horgan’s Quay, talks began with Cork-based developer Paul Montgomery, who is prepared to build the conference centre.
But despite intensive talks, they have proved fruitless.
“The Kent Station site is the favoured site. But there is no guarantee that a conference centre will be built here,†Mr Gavin said yesterday.
Mr Gavin declined to criticise CIÉ and Manor Park Homes. But he said: “The various parties haven’t enthusiastically embraced the proposal for this site.â€
Now, frustrated with the apparent lack of progress, Mr Gavin is preparing a report for councillors which will suggest that other sites be considered.
Any site within two kilometres of the city centre, including the vast docklands region, would be suitable, he said.
Tourism and business interests have repeatedly stated that securing a conference centre for the city is vital to boost business.
The Cork Marketing Partnership, which was launched last week to market the city nationally and internationally, is also planning to target lucrative conference business.
Councillors called on Monday for swift action.
@kite wrote:
Joe Gavin said he will present a detailed report to city councillors within a month which is likely to recommend that the city consider sites other than the council’s favoured Kent station railway location.
Hurrah! some sense at last. They wanted to build a conference centre in a run down area with no bus link, no easy transport to city centre and traffic congestion and a 19th century rail building and 15th century level of service
@kite wrote:
Mr Gavin declined to criticise CIÉ and Manor Park Homes. But he said: “The various parties haven’t enthusiastically embraced the proposal for this site.â€
how is that for diplomatic – fair play to his patience.
@kite wrote:
Councillors called on Monday for swift action
Who are they calling on? themselves? Why did they wait until now? or are they admitting they have no power and rely on J Gavin.
Douglas Golf CLub meeting this day week about the new course. I’d say it will be a yes.
Is this conference centre going to be similar in shape to the Odessey Arena in Belfast in that it will have 4 sides, and a flat area in the middle ?
O’Callaghan close to netting Cork Con deal
By Tommy Barker, Property Editor Irish Examiner
DEVELOPER Owen O’Callaghan is the closest of rival bidders to acquiring Cork Constitution’s grounds.The relocation deal could net the club up to €30 million and top-notch replacement facilities.
Discussions have advanced considerably between O’Callaghan Properties and the club in the past week and a deal may be imminent, sources say.
City manager Joe Gavin last month came out very firmly on the club’s sale plan, saying the sporting lands would not be re-zoned for development and must be kept for sport or amenity purposes.
For any development to have a chance of succeeding at Temple Hill, there would have to be some sort of community/public gain and amenity offering.
Con’s land adjoins a corner site owned by Eircom, and the city council has confirmed plans to transform the five-acre Beaumont Quarry — which is just across the road — into a public park.
The rugby club, which is one of the most successful in the country, is in need of more space and practice pitches. They approached a number of developers last year with a view to selling their lands at Temple Hill.
The 12 acres are most likely to be developed for residential use if re-zoning can be achieved.
Cork Con was this week close to securing its hoped-for replacement lands at Ballyorban/Moneygourney, for up to seven new pitches and a sports pavilion.
Meanwhile, members of Douglas Golf Club are to vote at an EGM on Wednesday next, March 21, on whether or not they will accept a proposal from Castlelands Construction to sell their existing course for redevelopment, in return for a cash windfall and improved replacement facilities closer to Carrigaline.
Herr Gavin’s media announcements may have more to do with an article in the current issue of Business Cork, than a genuine upcoming announcement – I mean, how many newspaper pages over the past 18 months have carried something along the lines of ‘City Manager to announce major conference centre for Cork’.
The Business Cork article gave an image of what had been proposed for the Showgrounds site, and the fact that this is now scuppered since Mr. G. wishes to create a ‘park’ there.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned here is that the city council are considering handing over Christ Church (former city records office) to the Triskel for use as a perfromance space.
I don’t know if this would be in addition to their current premises or would involve them moving out of there with that location coming onto the market.
@theblimp wrote:
Herr Gavin’s media announcements may have more to do with an article in the current issue of Business Cork, than a genuine upcoming announcement – I mean, how many newspaper pages over the past 18 months have carried something along the lines of ‘City Manager to announce major conference centre for Cork’.
The Business Cork article gave an image of what had been proposed for the Showgrounds site, and the fact that this is now scuppered since Mr. G. wishes to create a ‘park’ there.
🙂 Any chance you could upload that image theblimp?
The only reason a CPO was carried out on the Showground site was that the “wrong” group were planning the conference centre for that site,;) ie not one of the Managers “chosen few”Hi Kite – 2 images attached: one is of the arena itself. From what I understand it was to be ‘theatrical layout’, as in stage at one end, banked seating running back from it, with ability to clear all of ground floor to leave 100,000 sq ft+ of exhibition space. Capacity would have been up to 10,000 seated, but initial installation was proposed at 6,500.
The other image shows one of the many rough site layouts done. Main arena is on the left, the MAS arena is Munster Agricultural Society and would be a 2,000+ ‘Green Glens’-type set-up. Combining both would have allowed a lot of options for various events/exhibitions/etc.
@theblimp wrote:
Hi Kite – 2 images attached: one is of the arena itself. From what I understand it was to be ‘theatrical layout’, as in stage at one end, banked seating running back from it, with ability to clear all of ground floor to leave 100,000 sq ft+ of exhibition space. Capacity would have been up to 10,000 seated, but initial installation was proposed at 6,500.
The other image shows one of the many rough site layouts done. Main arena is on the left, the MAS arena is Munster Agricultural Society and would be a 2,000+ ‘Green Glens’-type set-up. Combining both would have allowed a lot of options for various events/exhibitions/etc.
Who proposed these plans, was it Howard Holdings?
How come Gavin is so committed to Horgan’s quay, surely the proposed water street bridge would make the marina very accessible from the train station?No, not HH – it was a new grouping that were going to do it by way of some kind of arrangement with MAS – hence the inclusion of a MAS structure on site. Perhaps the fact that it wasn’t one of the ‘established few’ worked against them? I do know, however, that a LOT of work had been done on it. Architects were london-based and there were/are proprietary rights over the roof design which gave it significant advantages over traditional methods
@theblimp wrote:
No, not HH – it was a new grouping that were going to do it by way of some kind of arrangement with MAS – hence the inclusion of a MAS structure on site. Perhaps the fact that it wasn’t one of the ‘established few’ worked against them? I do know, however, that a LOT of work had been done on it. Architects were london-based and there were/are proprietary rights over the roof design which gave it significant advantages over traditional methods
🙂 Thanks for the images theblimp.
That conference center and type of design is just what Cork Docklands needs to get the whole docklands area up and running, that and giving a few local Councillors a kick up the backside, (if they ever get off their backsides?)
It really is a pity that this whole Docklands project is dictated by the “Cork Mafiaâ€, if one of the “chosen few†had made the approach to the MAS I wonder would it be fast tracked through planning?, would the CPO of the site went ahead?
😉 Planning in Cork depends on who is doing the asking, NOT what is being proposed.
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