Developments in Cork
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@Spinal Tap wrote:
IRISH RAIL – SOMEDAY WE WILL BE A GOOD AS WE WERE IN 1875.
thats brilliant, what about
IRISH RAIL – SLOWER NOW THAN 1987
Oyster Developments have appealed to ABP to add an extra floor to the six storey development approved by Cork City council to the “protectedâ€:o structure, Deane Street / rear of Parnell Place.
The Cork Independent 11th Jan.2007
By Finbarr Cullen.BERNARD v OWEN
BERNARD Allen has gotten rightly up the nostrils of the man changing the face of Cork city, glass box builder Owen O’Callaghan.
Allen complained that the Horgan’s Quay development would not include a conference centre and, that if the thing were ever built, it would be ten years down the line by which time Limerick will have pipped Cork with its own plan for an 8000 seater centre.
We’ll be left with nothing, moaned Bernard, as there wasn’t room for two conference centers in Munster.
The northside deputy alleged that the emphasis was on residential and commercial units at Horgan’s Quay because they brought in more bobs – not on a conference centre.
He also took a swipe at the “promises we’ve heard beforeâ€, such as the one concerning the Corpo owned land at Mahon that was sold with the proviso of an events centre being built but with a clause enabling the developer to get out of the obligation if he wanted to. He did and, according to Bernard, the Horgan’s Quay proposal was now going the same way.
Back came O’Callaghan to rebut Bernard’s criticism. A centre at Mahon had not been economically viable, he proclaimed but, of course, like everyone else he was all for the idea on Horgan’s Quay.
As was City Manager Joe Gavin.
Significantly, however, O’Callaghan didn’t say when at Horgan’s Quay the conference centre would go ahead neither now nor in the future.
Bernard it seems is right. The conference centre has been put on the long finger, a very long, long finger.
And Cork will lose out.@lisam wrote:
The Half Moon St project includes Tenko & the Matthews centre as well, which will be demolished when planning is granted ( thay haven’t yet applied for planning)
Ronan Daly Jermyn solicitors have applied under the Landlord and Tenant Ground Rent Act 1967 on behalf of D. Matthews Ltd. to acquire the fee simple from the representatives of David Russell Crawford for the premises 8 Half Moon Street.
The lease dates from March 1st 1873 between David Russell Crawford and Barry Sheehan for 400 years @ 12 pounds P.A. rent.development of the former esso garage at bishopstowm refused due to:
1. pedestrian and traffic hazard
2. Height,scale, bulk would be incongruous with surrounding buildings (? doesnt the hospital have height scale and bulk?)
3. Over looking adjoining residential propertiesDoesnt anyone do pre planning?
The application was for construction of a five storey mixed use building ( 11,052m2 gross floor area) over 3 basement levels of car parking (289 spaces), comprising, – 7 units of retail with optional additional use of restaurants, financial services and professional services,
as for RDJ, could they not just be acquring that on someones behalf?
@kite wrote:
Ronan Daly Jermyn solicitors have applied under the Landlord and Tenant Ground Rent Act 1967 on behalf of D. Matthews Ltd. to acquire the fee simple from the representatives of David Russell Crawford for the premises 8 Half Moon Street.
The lease dates from March 1st 1873 between David Russell Crawford and Barry Sheehan for 400 years @ 12 pounds P.A. rent.Interesting that Ronan Daly and Vermyn should be moving at this point!!
@Pug wrote:
development of the former esso garage at bishopstowm refused due to:
1. pedestrian and traffic hazard
2. Height,scale, bulk would be incongruous with surrounding buildings (? doesnt the hospital have height scale and bulk?)
3. Over looking adjoining residential propertiesDoesnt anyone do pre planning?
The application was for construction of a five storey mixed use building ( 11,052m2 gross floor area) over 3 basement levels of car parking (289 spaces), comprising, – 7 units of retail with optional additional use of restaurants, financial services and professional services,
as for RDJ, could they not just be acquring that on someones behalf?
That planning was refused to appease a local Councillor and residents, no other reason.
RDJ are acquiring the fee simple on behalf of Matthews Ltd.
@bosco wrote:
I pass this junction regularly on my way to work and I cannot believe how they are getting away with this. If they somehow got permission or get retention, it still beggers belief. The new structures have been built right out almost to the edge of the street, leaving a tiny strip of footpath. This is one of the busiest junctions in the area, and in morning and evening rush hours it is full of vehicular and pedestrian traffic going in all directions. If anything they should have been forced to move the boundary back from the street, not bring it closer. Now there won’t even be room for 2 people to pass on the footpath without stepping out into the traffic.
As clichéd as this sounds, it won’t be long before there’s an accident there and a pedestrian is knocked down.
While I was in the area I took a snap or two of the library extension:
😎 In response to complaints from Cllr. Clancy, Cork City Manager Joe Gavin has issued enforcement notice under Section 153 of the Planning & development Act 2000 on Ann Clifford in relation to Clifford’s Shop, 1 & 2 Wesbourne, Collage Road.:) 🙂
Mark Kelleher’s 3G group is out of faviour with city fathers at the moment; following refusal on his proposal for the former Esso garage in Bishopstown he is to receive a Warning Letter under Section 152 P&D Act in relation to his Courtyard Development on Hawks Road.
Also on the receiving end of the Managers displeasure in relation to planning are Joe Carey and Frank Sheehan in relation to 11B, 12 & 13 Watercourse Road. An Enforcement Notice will be landing in their letterbox by Friday 19th Jan.
The Irish most certainly were running what is now Irish Rail in the 1800s. It just it was a new and “sexy” industry run by the most forward-thinking business people at the time. Thesedays it’s a sluggish state monopoly with a love of the status quo and a hatred of passengers.
It’s got nout to do with Irish independence from Britain. British Rail went through a similar period of abysmal service too.
decision on musgrave park extension to rugby ground due tomorrow
Hopefully the rugby ground extension will be granted, as Cork could do with it but the sticking points might be
a) The site is located within an area to which the European Communities (control of major hazards involving dangerous substances) regs, 2001 applies and
b) the fact that the application also included 42 apartments and 10 townhouses in blocks ranging from 3 to 5 storeys with balconies on the south and west elevations, decking on first floor level and roof gardens. A 272 sqm retail unit and 2 offices comprising 95m at ground level. 89 car parking spaces at ground floor level.
bets on Further Information anyone?
@Pug wrote:
decision on musgrave park extension to rugby ground due tomorrow
I hope permission is granted in this case as the road network makes Musgrave Park ideal for redevelopment i.e. unusually wide roads within 300 meters from the south link.
I won’t hold my breath though as some Councillors are threatening to overturn the decision by city planners (if granted) by using provisions of the Local Government Act. This could open a can of worms for planners and the city manager that they may feel would be best left closed.On a slightly related matter, Cllr. Tim Brosnan is to ask the Manager tonight to reveal the amount outstanding to CCC from development levies.
He is also asking to have all developers who owe sums in excess of 25,000 euro named.as per the examiner local councillors have adopted a resolution to protect views and skylines in Cork. I can understanc that (in fact I assumed it was just automatic when thinking of blocking things like cathedrals etc) but is there an actual point in the whole resolution, planners are supposed to protect the views anyway and An Taisce usually weigh in at some stage?
i’d hope though that this isnt a sneaky, lets stop all high rise move and what implications does it have for the 20/24 storey at horgans quay? we’ve been waiting long enough for some movement there and are still waiting for some Magic Martin Cullen moves to fix the appalling train station and face it towards the quays and integrate the bus
we’ve been waiting long enough for some movement there and are still waiting for some Magic Martin Cullen moves to fix the appalling train station and face it towards the quays and integrate the bus[/QUOTE wrote:After the bad “make-up job” on the Citys bus station for 2005 do you really think that Corks Transport needs are being adequatly provided for ? Kent Station is getting the same treatment.See the article on same in last weeks Cork Independent – The Government is taking care of the East Coasts needs – thats it in a nutshell.
@Pug wrote:
as per the examiner local councillors have adopted a resolution to protect views and skylines in Cork. I can understanc that (in fact I assumed it was just automatic when thinking of blocking things like cathedrals etc) but is there an actual point in the whole resolution, planners are supposed to protect the views anyway and An Taisce usually weigh in at some stage?
i’d hope though that this isnt a sneaky, lets stop all high rise move and what implications does it have for the 20/24 storey at horgans quay? we’ve been waiting long enough for some movement there and are still waiting for some Magic Martin Cullen moves to fix the appalling train station and face it towards the quays and integrate the bus
😮 I think it may be a case of more Councillors jumping on the ever expanding CSD group bandwagon.
Even Cllr. Quill, a person who always supported the Manager is now of the view that we should put the past “mistakes†aside and ensure that no future building would interfere with the Views and Prospects contained in the Managers variation of the City Development Plan.
The danger in adopting this variation (as CCC have done) is that the variation is now going to be on a statutory footing under the Planning and Development Act 2000 as far as planning applications are concerned and discretion will be removed from professional planners in Cork.……â€planners to have a presumption against development that compromises the quality of or adversely affects important views and prospectsâ€
:rolleyes: Some may say that the developers have only themselves to blame for falling out of favour with the Manager as the city is owed 10,267,023 euro in development levies.
To date those that owe in excess of 25,000 to the city in levies include;Mr. Joe Kelleher,
Firestone Developments Ltd,
U.C.C,
Lance Investments,
Mr. Paul Montgomery,
Fernhurst Investments,
Project Management,
CIT
The Freeland Partnership,
Descon Ltd,
Howard Webworks,
Cork County Council,
Brideview Developments Ltd,
Cummor Construction Ltd.Permission was granted for the redevelopment of Musgrave Park.
The entire residential element of the proposal was refused by planners, this will prevent the anticipated clash between anti apartment councilors and city planners.planning granted for extension to douglas shopping centre, unclear if it includes revamp of road structure in douglas as well, may go to ABP
There is a total revamp of the shopping centre involved. I am told that it includes a small multi story parking development. Tescos will be located closer to the douglas west side.
Hi
Am looking for information on commercial property yields in Oliver Plunkett St, wasnt there one sold around Christmas time, Arthur B’s clothes shop? ANy info would be helpful,thanks@goldiefish wrote:
There is a total revamp of the shopping centre involved. I am told that it includes a small multi story parking development. Tescos will be located closer to the douglas west side.
Thats interesting with the Tescos already there. Maybe that means the current Tescos will be CPOed and the new South Ring Douglas junction put in??
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