Developments in Cork
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@Pug wrote:
thats when the plans are made public, i suspect its already decided so they might be arguing over the last details – CCC really dont have a come back with eglinton st zooming up at a rate of knots
Personally, I don’t see the connection; they are two different designs in two different locations; there’s no reason the acceptance of one should affect the other.
To be honest, I’m no fan of the Water Street development. It seems to me it’ll block one of the best views in Cork city (looking from the Custom House Quay/City Hall/South Docklands up towards the ‘Northern Ridge”; and – in its original form at least – was very repetitive by nature. The Eglington St. development though I’m all in favour of – the ‘core’ is now already visible from as far away as the South Gate bridge!
@Pug wrote:
whats the whisper on wernda and water st? was due for decision yesterday – bord pleanala havent updated their info yet
Back to the 13-12-2006 now?
This project is tied up in planning since ’03 and fast approaching 2 years with an bord pleanala. If the private sector made decisions at this rate, we would have an economy like Albania.😮 City manager, Joe Gavin’s ambition (promise) that Lidl would be trading on the cash cow northside of Cork may have come off the rails.
One vote by councilors months ago against his plan was followed two weeks ago by another “Nice Treaty†(keep voting until you get the result you want) vote until Mr.G pulled the plug at the last minute when the vote was going down the Swanny and he promised a Part 8 Planning (whatever I want without the plebs interfering) to delay the vote until tomorrow night.
Now however the Councillors with their tongues up Mr.G’s ass are fuming that his bail out to them in the form of the Part 8 process has not yet been delivered to us, and Councillors may not get sight of his plans until 5.00 pm tomorrow, 1 hour before the vote on the matter is due.:mad:😡 A bridge too far for Lidl?
Councillors are due to vote again on the material contravention of the City Development Plan 2004-09 to allow Lidl open a store in Churchfield.
Following on a huge campaign in the past 2 weeks by residents, Councillors and TD’s in support of Lidl it now seems certain that anti Lidl Councillors will propose that their support will only be forthcoming if Lidl agree to not having an off license in store.:eek:
What are the chances of getting two thirds of council’s support tonight?Councillors voted 27 – 2 tonight to rezone lands in Churchfield to allow Lidl open in the area. A condition of planning will prevent an off license as part of this development.
ABP will have the final say on the matter of the off license. It will be interesting to see if the planning appeals board will go against such strong feelings of Councillors, OR indeed if Lidl will proceed without the off license cash cow?If the off licence isnt a part of it, everyone will still go elsewhere to Lidl. What a stupid decision.
@Pug wrote:
so here we go again – decision on Werdna and Water St due tomorrow
Decision on the next date to set it back to.
Cork City Planners granted permission last week to carry out development for the demolition of the existing 6 no. terrace houses and shop and construction of a 3 storey and part 4 storey apartment block consisting of 22 no. apartments, roof terraces, underground car park and ancillary site works at Carmelite Place, Cork, in accordance with plans and particulars submitted on 21/10/05 Ref. T.P.05/30195.
:confused: The Cork City Manager, Mr Joe Gavin in his Managers Order of THIS week is proposing adding numbers 1-6 Carmelite Place, Western Road to the list of Derelict Buildings.
I would appreciate if anyone could answer the following questions for me;
Are these one and the same place?
If so why would they be added to the Derelict Site list now that planning has been granted?
Does the Manager and his planning staff ever talk to each other, or is this a response to the request by City Councillor’s (at the behest of the CSD anti high rise group) to have this planning application sunk by way of the motion some weeks ago to have these buildings added to the Derelict Site register and then taken over by CPO??:eek:
@Praxiteles wrote:
Kite!
Not to break the thread of conversation but I was asking on the Christmas Tree thread whether Herr Gavin, Cork’s friendliest Reichsgauleiter, has managed to get a Christmas tree erected on Patrick’s Street?
Christmas Tree Praxiteles??
I avoid St.Patrick Street as much as possible as figures released this week confirm that people are abandoning the City center in their droves due to the blitzing of motorists by clampers, tow trucks, and wardens (some scumbag smashing a window in your car would be a welcome, and cheaper alternative)
Parking revenue from scratch cards DOWN
Revenue from clamping DOWN
Revenue from tow away DOWN
Mr. Gavin (150k – 200k pa) says, “motorists are becoming more compliant†11th Dec 2006…..Wake up Mr.G. people are abandoning our city.So Praxiteles im afraid I cannot help as to whether the guy has stuck a tree in Patrick St., I’m too afraid to drive through to see.:eek:
kite wrote:Christmas Tree Praxiteles??
I avoid St.Patrick Street as much as possible as figures released this week confirm that people are abandoning the City center in their droves due to the blitzing of motorists by clampers, tow trucks, and wardens (some scumbag smashing a window in your car would be a welcome, and cheaper alternative)
Parking revenue from scratch cards DOWN
Revenue from clamping DOWN
Revenue from tow away DOWN
Mr. Gavin (150k –]Its not just Gavins Clampers etc. in”Pana” its the Shopowners/developers lack of vision.We have some great local shops & pubs but how many mobile phone shops with shopfronts visible from space do we need ? I am just back from Prague where they have Christmas markets,Christmas decorations (yes actual decorations) and above all else athmosphere ! Cork has lots of potential but it always feels like its playing “catch up” and never really gets there.
1. Lack of parking spaces. Why there is’nt a multi-storey at Kent Station amazes me ?
2. Poor choice of decent retailers.No Habitat,H&M,Zara etc.
3. Ongoing re-paving works leading to dead zones for economic activity.Grand Parade etc.
4. Neglect of physical infrastructure,paving,roads outside recently paved areas. Tuckey St and side Streets.
5. Massive derilection and neglect of buildings by owners above shopfront level.Singers Corner,Above Oasis & Burger King,Mothercare etc.
6. Empty shop units purchased by developers for some future massive development which may never happen,
7.Streets leading to Patricks Street “run down” and tacky i.e.McCurtain St, Washington St. & Cornmarket St.
8.Parking and lack of pedestrianation on side streets i.e. back of Easons leading to Quays.
9. Mahon Point.You can park for free take your kids to a film,go to the food court (fast food only) and shop !
10. Customers needs ignored :- If the City’s authorities and businesses developed and maintained the retail core to a high level and listened to its citizens and provided a clean,safe hassle free experience.If the “product” is good enough people will come and maybe even more tourists.Lots of top class hotels -adisson,Sheraton,Carlton etc being developed outside the city – why would its customers visit Cork ?
11.Apathy of business leaders as no conference/concert/sports in city environs.Go to show in Killarney,shopping and concert in the Gleneagle which is popular with lots of people.
12. If City Hall and shop owners/developers keep this up its going to be some job to get people back into city.@Pug wrote:
smcmc ltd have applied again for a private hospital at garranedarragh, bishopstown – had previously been refused
The first application was deemed too large to fit in with the County development Plan.
I believe the new proposal is only one third the size of the first so it should go through planning ok.@Spinal Tap wrote:
Any news on the Werdna decision / deferral ?
Waiting for the weekly update on the ABP website (5.00pm on Wednesdays), fingers crossed.
🙂 With the lands in Churchfield now rezoned to allow Lidl build a supermarket and CCC to give them the green light by way of planning on the 22nd Dec. I am told that plans will be submitted for a private hospital on lands to the rear of the Lidl site in the very near future.
Although at a very early stage, I fail to see why the city manager kept this to himself as I am sure even the hint of such a development would have seen the rezoning of the area taking a less contentious route.a quick scan of the examiner this morning, Academy St due for a decision early next week, and oddly enough, CIE and Manor Park homes due to apply for 2 separate sites at their 17 acres at Horgans Quay, apparently somewhere between 1,000/2,000 apartments and 25 storey towers. Now do you think they are waiting on the result of Werdnas 17 storey application which would be right next door to them? And its amazing how CIE are motivated enough to get planning in for a mixed development but wont redevelop Kent station that they promised in Jan 2005
ABP have pushed out the Werdna decision to ……………?
14th December
and it now apparently is for 233 units instead of 304
@Pug wrote:
ABP have pushed out the Werdna decision to ……………?
14th December
and it now apparently is for 233 units instead of 304
The proposed heights of the blocks must have been reduced by a considerable number of floors so.
Interesting now with Horgans Quay going in for a possible “high rise” building also.:confused: With regard to the planning process in Cork, does anyone share (or care about) my concerns that some planning applications that have gone through the process including the appeals board only to come back so many times for changes to the original application (some as many as 20-30 changes per application) that people cannot figure out what is going on?
This undermines genuine planning applications in Cork.
Examples;
Blackpool Developments Ltd.
RIGA Ltd.
Firestone Developments.
Frinailla Ltd.kite wrote::confused: With regard to the planning process in Cork, does anyone share (or care about) my concerns that some planning applications that have gone through the process including the appeals board only to come back so many times for changes to the original application (some as many as 20-30 changes per application) that people cannot figure out what is going on?
This undermines genuine planning applications in Cork.
Examples]
All we can is: mmwumm hhmmummm whummm…..!
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