Developments in Cork
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and presumably Debenhams in Mahon point would be unsustainable if they have a large footprint in the city centre as well?
alchemys initial planning application to clear the former CMP site was due a decision yesterday i think, any word? it went to further info so that prob pushed it out a bit
Ballincollig is much better served by a Dunnes than an M&S. Like it or not Dunnes serves the everyday needs and caters for all whereas Marks is very much the upper end of the market.
@A-ha wrote:
another Next wouldn’t go a stray in the city centre. The one there at the mo is sh*t..
Next always is, it’s the most overrated retailer in the world. I’ve been in far bigger ones than the one in Cork and unless they were to bring in their homewares (which is way overpriced for what it is) there’s nothing you’re missing out on.
Next always gets bad press for just being another British high street retailer. But some of the ones in places like London and Birmingham don’t even resemble Next over here. Large stores with twice the amount of goods for sale, including furniture. I’ve never seen a Next over here selling furniture. I always thought Woolworths would do well here, but they left the Irish market years and years ago.
@A-ha wrote:
Next always gets bad press for just being another British high street retailer. But some of the ones in places like London and Birmingham don’t even resemble Next over here. Large stores with twice the amount of goods for sale, including furniture. I’ve never seen a Next over here selling furniture. I always thought Woolworths would do well here, but they left the Irish market years and years ago.
Woolworths left at a time when the Irish economy was going down the tubes.
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Its a pity to lose the indidgenous Cork retailers from our main streets as Dublin could now be Nottingham or Leeds with its “High” street Uk rertailers.We have very little in Cork city to attract tourists and a unique streetscape with local retailers is always something worth having.Roches move must have been on the cards for a long time as their Wilton store is stuck in 1978 !
Personally I think that there are way too many Dunnes Stores around Cork.Asuperquin or a few more M&S would be a nice change.
Very little in Cork, what about the English Market, an absolute gem that Dublin would love to have!!
@anto wrote:
Very little in Cork, what about the English Market, an absolute gem that Dublin would love to have!!
Mr & Mrs Spinal Tap picked up 2 Dutch tourists thumbing from Cobh to Cork on Saturday last and they were asking us what there was for tourists in Cork City.They had done the English market,Shandon,St.Finbarrs and the city centre area in a whole morning ! They loved Cork and thought it was a great city after 3 days in Dublin and being ripped off at Oxygen which was a dissapointment for them but there was nothing for them to do here and keep them in the city apart from bars and restaurants shops etc.We directed them to Kinsale,Clonakilty etc.
Cork needs more visitor attractions :-
Outdoor spaces / parks ah la Park Guell Barcelona
City Quays under utilised for proper paving seating landscaping ( cars parked right up to river ) massive potential.
Maritime Museum in the docklands.
Indoor Aquarium similar to the one in La Rochell France
Arts Museum / Venue like Gateshead or dare I say it Bilbao Guggenheim !
Feel free to add to listCork has the jobs,Population and wealth to support a vibrant arts and cultural scene but need to wake up to whats happening internationally in cities of a similar size across the rest of Europe.
B.T.W. Are’nt the new railings at Penrose Quay great next to the new sculpture installation ? They make you realise how bad the railings are across the rest of the City’s quays.
A lot of the Cok’s tourist attractions are at the edge of the Metropolitan Area – Midleton Distillery, Cobh Heritage Centre, Blarney Castle. One thing that Cork needs is a 2/3 day public transport pass (possibly including reduced entry to attractions). Cork City could make a great base for visiting such places, but at the moment this is impractical.
I’ve seen similar schemes in place in Helsinki and Madrid and there’s no reason it couldn’t work here.
Some great ideas about city attractions there.
One thing I’d love to see here – every Saturday in Recoleta (Buenos Aires) the local artists, crafts-people put up stalls around the paths of the local park. There was some great stuff there, rugs, mats, pictures, sculptures, musical instruments, mates (a traditional kind of tea cup). So you could wander around the paths to do some buying or just browse, or hang around the green areas where there were entertainers – comedy acts with family participation, capoeira etc.
A corner of Fitzgerald park would be ideal for such a regular event. Surely there would be a lot of interest from local artists. (Just as long as they’re not just hawking plastic shamrocks and “Kiss me, I’m Irish” t-shirts!)
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Mr & Mrs Spinal Tap picked up 2 Dutch tourists thumbing from Cobh to Cork on Saturday last and they were asking us what there was for tourists in Cork City.They had done the English market,Shandon,St.Finbarrs and the city centre area in a whole morning ! They loved Cork and thought it was a great city after 3 days in Dublin and being ripped off at Oxygen which was a dissapointment for them but there was nothing for them to do here and keep them in the city apart from bars and restaurants shops etc.We directed them to Kinsale,Clonakilty etc.
Cork needs more visitor attractions :-
Outdoor spaces / parks ah la Park Guell Barcelona
City Quays under utilised for proper paving seating landscaping ( cars parked right up to river ) massive potential.
Maritime Museum in the docklands.
Indoor Aquarium similar to the one in La Rochell France
Arts Museum / Venue like Gateshead or dare I say it Bilbao Guggenheim !
Feel free to add to listI’d always point visitors in the direction of The Cork Gaol in Sundays Well, the Museum in Fitzgerald park, the ogham corridor in UCC and St.Finbarres Cathedral. For a city the size of cork, I believe we have our fair share of visitor attractions. That being said, Spinal Tap has come up with a good Wish List for the city in terms of attractions. I’d add to that as follows:
A national interactive science museum
A national events centreNotice I said national. There is no reason why national institutions should not be based in Cork, or for that matter Limerick or Galway, etc. This government is determined to decentralise pen-pushers without decentralising any of the good stuff!
Feel free to add to the list and we’ll come up with some sort of top 10.@Radioactiveman wrote:
I’d always point visitors in the direction of The Cork Gaol in Sundays Well, the Museum in Fitzgerald park, the ogham corridor in UCC and St.Finbarres Cathedral. For a city the size of cork, I believe we have our fair share of visitor attractions. That being said, Spinal Tap has come up with a good Wish List for the city in terms of attractions. I’d add to that as follows:
A national interactive science museum
A national events centreNotice I said national. There is no reason why national institutions should not be based in Cork, or for that matter Limerick or Galway, etc. This government is determined to decentralise pen-pushers without decentralising any of the good stuff!
Feel free to add to the list and we’ll come up with some sort of top 10.The current Government is going to get a big surprise in Cork at the next election I’d say as the second city does’nt get a major government department in decentralisation and I voted for them the last time !
Cork Airport debt fiasco.
1 airbridge farce.
Broadband access.
Delayed funding for school of music / Cork 2005.Killarney has beaten us to the National Events Centre and best of luck to them as they had the guts to do it whilst the second city procrastinates.
4.2 million people in the country and the balance shifts even more to the east coast.
Add to list of ideas for Cork and we will get a top ten.Innovation and feasability required i.e.something that is a success elsewhere and we could do with (not the usual Starbucks & H&M stuff ).
Indoor winter sports centre
Cso just out still looking at it and to me it shows that the city realy have to sort out the boundary issue as it realy is
affecting how people perceve cork. This is a great city that has a real good feel about it at moment with all thats
planned in next few years i’d imangine that for next census the population for city will be way up from current low level.________ _____ Persons 2002 _|_______ 2006________ Male ________ Female ________ Change ________ Percentage change
Cork ___________ 447,829 ________ 480,909________ 240,470_______240,439 ________ 33,080 ________ 7.4
of whichCork City _______ 123,062 ________ _119,143________ 58,214________ 60,929 ________ -3,919 ________ -3.2
Cork County ______ 324,767 ________ _361,766 ________182,256 ________179,510 _______36,999 ________ 11.4
I always thought that a Botanical garden would do very well in Cork. Apparently the Royal Cork Institution did set up a Botanical Gardens in Cork in 1803 but they were closed some years later due to lack of….. get this….. GOVERNMENT FUNDING. Wouldn’t ya know, like!?!?!? Fota could be marketed abit more and incorporating the railway to get you there would be a good idea. The train to Cobh is very scenic and the best part of a day could be spent in Fota, not to mention the Queenstown heritage centre. Getting a few better plays to come to the Everyman Palace wouldn’t hurt either and it might start to attract alot more people from the rest of Ireland to come to Cork for week end breaks. And with weather like this, I’m sure the beaches around Youghal would be very attractive too. Re: The Population Charts, it’s obvious that those boundaries need to be sorted out. Those numbers give false impressions about the population of Cork.
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Indoor winter sports centre
I dont know about that one! Why not just build the much needed long awaited years delayed 50,000 seater STADIUM on Pairc ui Chaoimh for concerts & matches. Its just so do-able and not a finger being lifted.
Someone sugggested getting some sort of an open air market going in Fitzgerald Park. I’d prefer somthing closer to the cith center. With the new Grand Parade there’l be a big pedestrian area to the east side of the street. You could put two rows of stalls facing each other down the lenght of it. You could also possibly put a canopy over the area between them also to protect people against the irish weather.
Visitor attractions:
::Some plazas in the new docklands would be very nice indeed for performing arts and all that stuff. If a new theater was built there and perhaps a comtempoary art gallery that would be great, especially if the gallery was really striking and got some paintings by some well known artists in it.
:: A maritime musuem. Obvious given the cities location. It would be great if there was a few ships lined up along the quayside like the Jeanie Johnson and the Asgard.
::An observation tower. Cork dosn’t really have any vantage points. And theres plenty to be seen if you’ve ever looked down on the city from lofty Montenotte or culturally not-very-lofty Gurranabraher. There are a few solutions to this.
1. Build a new, striking tower somewhere. Where, I’m not sure. It would want to be close to the city centre but not intrude on the low character of the city centre. I’m thinking somewhere near the bus station. It could also create a new landmark for the city. Twas done in london with the London Eye Observation Wheel
2. Build a land based observation place on the northside hillside. It would be cheaper but would however, give a lesser view.
3. Moor a balloon somewhere. I’ve been on the one in Parc Andre Citroen in Paris. It was great fun and gave a great view. There was plans to do this in Dublins Temple bar but I’m not sure where this got
4. Use Eglington street tower or some possibly upcoming docklands tower. I’m not sure if Eglington street could be used as it is a residential toweran the occupants may not like this. If there are other towers to be built..who knows? The County hall already functions as an observatory of sort. It has leased the top flooor to a catering company for parties and the likes.
5. Build a replica Eifell Tower a few feet shorter than the original and call it ‘The worlds tallest model of the Eifell Tower’. Two attractions for the price of one!What would be equally silly would be to rename the city Leprechaun City and thus fill the place with naieve but hopefull and wealthy Americans. Hire a few midgets and we’ll be raking in the cash. With rakes.
I need less alcohol.
@PTB wrote:
I need less alcohol.
You got that right! But the part about the observation deck in Eglinton St. isn’t a half bad idea. Put a restaurant up there and you’ve got a very attractive place to eat in the night time. I would imagine the lights from that height would be nice in the evenings. If it were to revolve… even better, hmmm, maybe I should stay away from the alcohol too.
paul montgomerys plans for the former esso muskerry station on western rd have had further info requested.
Will someone please tell me what the story is about all these rumours to do with Ryanair buying land in Killeagh where the Old Aerodrome used to be? I’ve heard talk about it everywhere, but nobody seems to know the full story. From what I hear so far, they are planning to use it as an airport. Without laughing, can someone gimme some more info. It sounds so crazy I can’t believe it, but I’ve heard it from lots of different people. (I’ve posted this in both the Developments and Transport threads…… I really want to find out as much as possible).
I would greatly doubt that Ryanair would buid their own airport. It totally goes against their low-cost ethos. The cost of such a development would be, and I cant really give anything near an accurate estimate, huge – the aquisition of large tracts of land( the old aredrome alone site will not be of much use I imagine as it probably only ever took up the space used to land small one and two seater planes), bribes for councillers, building a runway and a cheap ‘terminal’. And I doubt the poeple of Killeah would like to live next to an international airport. They’re gonna fight it tooth and nail if this really happens.
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