Developments in Cork

@Praxiteles wrote:

From to-day’s Irish Times

[A selective guide to developments in your area

AN BORD PLEANÁLA

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any particular reason we were treated to planning decisions mostly from dublin?

From today’s IE property section.
Under The Hammer:

😀 “PROP forward takes on a whole new meaning when it comes to sniffing out a delicious 12-acre site on Templehill, Cork.
Yet again, its truffle-time for developers who hope to turn Cork Constitution’s ground to gold-plated concrete in the short, rather than long term. The club’s committee are saying nothing at present and, according to one insider, overtures have been kept very hush-hush, unlike the rumours surrounding Douglas GAA, who are said to be assiduously courted by Frinailla.
Whether or not Cork Con will take the carrot of bigger, better and more accessible, is moot, as the developer’s pitch, (believed to be a joint name firm), hasn’t reached the firm proposal stage. It does beg the question, however, why didn’t anyone think of this before?
Twelve acres in the Ballintemple / Blackrock axis?
PRICELESS”.

Judge seeks criteria for legal challenges to planning rulings
Mary Carolan writes in today’s IT

The Supreme Court has been asked by a High Court judge to set out the criteria upon which the courts can decide that a person has shown the necessary “substantial interest” to allow them to bring legal challenges to planning decisions.

Mr Justice Frank Clarke said yesterday he was satisfied this point of law, which arose in proceedings related to a planned €400 million integrated tourism resort centre near Kinsale, Co Cork, was of such “exceptional public importance” that it required to be determined by the Supreme Court.

It could be reasonably said the law on the issue “stands in a state of uncertainty”, the issue was arising in a significant number of cases and there would be a significant public benefit in having a Supreme Court decision on it, the judge added.

The issue relates to the constitutionally important question of the entitlement of people to have access to the courts to challenge planning and environmental decisions, the judge said. Its determination would be of benefit to both objectors and developers.

The point of law arose in proceedings in which Thomas Hard- ing, a retired merchant seaman, applied for leave to the High Court to bring a challenge aimed at overturning planning permission for the Kinsale development.

The Planning and Development Act 2000 introduced a stricter requirement for such challenges, stipulating that any such challenge may only be brought by a person who has a “substantial interest”.

In a judgment last month, Mr Justice Clarke ruled that Mr Harding of Ardback Heights, Kinsale, had not established the sufficient “substantial interest” to give him the necessary legal standing to bring the judicial review challenge. The judge said that, under the traditional test for legal standing, it was probable Mr Harding would have had sufficient connection with the Kinsale area to establish a sufficient interest so as to give him legal standing. However, the degree of connection with the area which Mr Harding had set out in affidavits failed to meet the more stringent test introduced in the Act.

Mr Harding then asked the judge to refer a number of questions arising from his judgment for determination by the Supreme Court. Ruling on that application yesterday, the judge said he would certify one question for determination.

That question asks: “What are the criteria by reference to which a person may be said to have a ‘substantial interest’ even though they do not have a financial or property interest within the meaning of Section 50 of the Planning and Development Act 2000 and has this court properly applied such criteria to the instant case?”

The case arose after planning permission was granted to Kinsale Developments Ltd for the building of the centre at Preghane, Ballmacus, Kinsale.

Other stuff:

School of music:

City Hall Extension:

Where’s this development? I’ve never seen this render before.

@Spinal Tap wrote:

Looks like Jacobs Island opposite Mahon Point ?

Yep, but I think either the proportions are screwed up or there was a height reduction, cos no way does it look this high in the flesh/cladding wtever…hehe

Guide price on Wilton Centre is €320-330m not what papers reported last week €285m)
Dublin prices have arrived in Cork but are there any silly fools willing to pay this?
It most certainly wil not be a Cork based developer as the fat has all been stripped out by Joe OD, based
on maxing the local area plan. An other interesting taught is that the councilors in bishopstown aka Gerry(i want to be a TD) and Mary (i only like bungalows)Sheilds pushed and pushed for the very plan which has given Wilton the increase in value by HEIGHT and floor area So when this giant shopping centre is put into planning will these same people run around flapping? One thing for sure if I was (i am not) Joe OD, I would fund Gerrys(i am a teacher get me out of here!) campaign next year as a thank you or maybe he is already!!!!!!

@phatman wrote:

Yep, but I think either the proportions are screwed up or there was a height reduction, cos no way does it look this high in the flesh/cladding wtever…hehe

There are 9 blocks in total, not all are of the same height…. the highest will be nine storeys.

Hey,

I’ve heard a rumour – just a rumour that McDonalds in Winthorp St. may be going on sale! I’d say if it’s true then maybe BT’s might try and snap it up! Interesting eh! Sure we’ll wait and see!:rolleyes:

@rebel_city wrote:

Hey,

I’ve heard a rumour – just a rumour that McDonalds in Winthorp St. may be going on sale! I’d say if it’s true then maybe BT’s might try and snap it up! Interesting eh! Sure we’ll wait and see!:rolleyes:

I suspect it’s on their minds. I wonder if they might try to swap the Caroline St premises for it so that they get a unified site. That said, I’m sure it’s the old Lee Cinema that they’d really like. I bet they regret not taking that when it was available.

Incidentally, they had a planning application in a few weeks back to turn a rooftop area into some terracing for the cafe.

whats the whisper on wernda and water st? was due for decision yesterday – bord pleanala havent updated their info yet