Developments in Cork
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@kite wrote:
😮 Wow, I thought I was the only person to see the connection between the vote and the decision due date….:rolleyes: are we cynical or what??
Not at all Kite! Just realistic.
Some news in the Irish Examiner today re new developments in the Cork area. May be of interest to some readers here. Does anyone know if the 6 storey motor tax office building next to County Hall was part of the original redevelopment plans?
Green light for 204-house development
By Sean O’Riordan
PLANNING permission was granted yesterday by Cork County Council for a 204-house development in Crosshaven, while an application was received for an equally large development in Castlemartyr.O’Flynn Construction was given the green light for the mixed development at Knocknagore, Crosshaven. The company intends to construct 56 three-bed terraced homes, 59 two-bed terraced homes, 62 four-bed detached houses and 26 four-bed terraced homes.
Limerick-based Chieftain Construction has lodged an application for 200 houses, a cr
😡 It looks almost certain that Lidl are in trouble with their proposal to locate in Churchfield.
Intense lobbying on behalf of a major food giant in Ireland (Cork) has it seems “paid†off in that tonight’s Planning Committee meeting in City Hall saw a majority of Councillors vote against the rezoning needed.
If the vote is put before a full CCC meeting next Monday night ???? :rolleyes:It finally reared its ugly head…Seveso 2 sites i.e. sites in Cork under the COMAH (contaminated and dangerous land) Directive were brought up at the ABP oral hearing into the CPO of the Showground’s site yesterday.
Hopefully this is not a case of Docklands redevelopment 2000-06 RIP ?Eoin English covers the story in today’s IE
“Safety issue may swing Docklands battleâ€
@KenzoTange wrote:
The developer has decided not to demolish Lovett’s but to convert the building into apartments.
The longterm property market looks risky for all developers at the moment as alot of apartment developments are proving difficult to sell – nervous investors – and converted apartments can be brought to the market far more quickly.
The planning application to CCC still seeks the demolition of Lovett’s restaurant, but a notice in the Irish Examiner today (22-11-06) lists Lovett’s as a possible addition to the list of protected buildings in Cork.
Well done to the Councillors of the area. NIMBY’s are alive and well, and living in Douglas.😡 Be careful when you open your eyes while in bed with the curtains pulled…you may be looking at one of the proposed protected views in variation 3 of the City Development Plan. Soon any development over the height of a dog box will be banned!!
What a shower of muppets?:ohttp://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/planning/pdf/variations/proposed_variation_no3.pdf
On the final day of the oral hearing into the CPO of the Cork Showground site, a solicitor acting for Examiner Publications lodged a last minute objection against the CPO claiming his clients have title to a small stand in the area.
Eoin English’s full story on;@kite wrote:
The planning application to CCC still seeks the demolition of Lovett’s restaurant, but a notice in the Irish Examiner today (22-11-06) lists Lovett’s as a possible addition to the list of protected buildings in Cork.
Well done to the Councillors of the area. NIMBY’s are alive and well, and living in Douglas.KIte,
Most people on this forum are generally pro-development but not at all costs. This is an excellent move by the City Council. Ballinlough House / Lovetts is a fantastically preserved historic building – anyone who was ever in it would surely agree it would have been a tragedy if it was knocked and turned into more bland suburban apartments (whether they be 2 storey or 30 storey). Just because a developer proposes something doesn’t mean we should all back it unquestioningly. I live in the Douglas area (not near Lovetts) and I do not have a problem with most development proposals nor would I object to a high rise building in Douglas if appropriately located. This is not a NIMBY issue.
@browser wrote:
KIte,
Most people on this forum are generally pro-development but not at all costs. This is an excellent move by the City Council. Ballinlough House / Lovetts is a fantastically preserved historic building – anyone who was ever in it would surely agree it would have been a tragedy if it was knocked and turned into more bland suburban apartments (whether they be 2 storey or 30 storey). Just because a developer proposes something doesn’t mean we should all back it unquestioningly. I live in the Douglas area (not near Lovetts) and I do not have a problem with most development proposals nor would I object to a high rise building in Douglas if appropriately located. This is not a NIMBY issue.
Browser, I was somewhat playing devils advocate in relation to Lovett’s.
I am glad to see that it is now proposed by CCC to include this building on the list of protected buildings in Cork, BUT it was almost (and still could be) lost forever due to the woefully weak (and some might suggest corrupt) City Development Plan 2004-2009, a plan that our partying councillors nodded through without a thought, after all the 2005 city of culture party was looming so I guess they had more important things on their minds?:rolleyes:
On the matter of nimby’s, I live in Douglas, my parents live in Wilton and we, along with everyone else in the city can state “I am not a nimby, BUT!!., the lovely Lovett’s, the lovely Blackrock Castle etc, etc. This is just not good enough; our heritage should be protected in our CDP and areas ideally suited to high rise i.e. the Docklands identified in a water tight plan with little exceptions.
Just look at he way the 2 billion jewel in the crown Docklands was handled by CCC, instead of joined up proper planning we have CPO’s and have “discovered†SEVESO (dangerous) sites 7 years later.
😮 Do we as a city have a hope under the present Management and Councillors??@kite wrote:
😮 Do we as a city have a hope under the present Management and Councillors??
Ay, Kite! Ther’s the rub..whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune or take arms against a sea of troubles and, by so opposing, end them!
@Praxiteles wrote:
Ay, Kite! Ther’s the rub..whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune or take arms against a sea of troubles and by so opposing, end them!
any chance of stopping that mullarkey? between cobh and kristallnacht and literature i’m fed up
Would anyone have the inside track on the airport debt? Ryanair were due to meet the cork councillors and td’s i think yesterday about taking over the old terminal
@Pug wrote:
any chance of stopping that mullarkey? between cobh and kristallnacht and literature i’m fed up
Would anyone have the inside track on the airport debt? Ryanair were due to meet the cork councillors and td’s i think yesterday about taking over the old terminal
Rumour is that the DAA are getting more and more obstructive to the Interim CAA which basically can’t sneeze without getting DAA’s approval. It is a disgrace. The rumour I heard is that there is a serious chance that CAA board members will walk in protest and I think they should to be honest. The laws of libel prevent me from articulating what I think of Martin Cullen.
@kite wrote:
Browser, I was somewhat playing devils advocate in relation to Lovett’s.
I am glad to see that it is now proposed by CCC to include this building on the list of protected buildings in Cork, BUT it was almost (and still could be) lost forever due to the woefully weak……City Development Plan 2004-2009, a plan that our partying councillors nodded through without a thought……………Can’t argue too much with that.
Browser – I agree completely. The airport situation is sadly one hell of a mess. The DAA are none too pleased with Cork given that its fancy terminal is over budget and under-delivers. Given that the DAA are in effect the same organisation who approved and oversaw its construction and completion, this is somewhat ironic. God help Dublin if the same gang are allowed to oversee the new terminal there. The entire airports authority is a relic from times past – too much work-to-rule militant baloney amongst staff, no leadership from management of any sort, and absolutely no interest in delivering an effective service to its customers. Instead, they are an organisation riven by factionalism and one that manages to stagger from one crisis to the next with a complete disregard for the consequences. And no wonder, since the taxpayer is picking up the tab. And with our Minister for Transport leading from the front with his usual mix of bluster and serial announcements of rehashed projects, it is no wonder his foot-soldiers in Aer Rianta (and Irish Rail, Bus Eireann, Dublin Bus, etc) don’t give a damn. It never ceases to amaze me how after blowing 200m Euro in Cork that the user experience there is actually worse than it was before! Only in Ireland. Rant over.
@Pug wrote:
…Would anyone have the inside track on the airport debt? Ryanair were due to meet the cork councillors and td’s i think yesterday about taking over the old terminal
Today’s IE may be of help?
High charges ‘could push Ryanair out of Cork’By Harry McGee, Political Editor
A SENIOR Ryanair executive told a group of Cork TDs and senators yesterday that the airline may have to reduce its services from Cork Airport because of high landing charges.At the Cork City Council Docklands Policy Committees meeting of 13th November members considered the draft final report on the Docklands Economic Study. They agreed that a Special Meeting of Council will be held on November 27th, 2006, when Ms. Marion Chalmers, DTZ Pieda Consulting, will give a presentation on the Report. It was also agreed that the recommendations of the Report would be referred to the Council members for approval.
Consultants will be shortly appointed to advise on the preparation of the Business and Implementation Plan.
The Committee noted that the key issues were:
1. Relocation of SEVESO Sites
2. Remediation of Contaminated Land
3. Relocation of Port of Cork
4. Works to prevent tidal flooding.
5. Encouraging use of environmentally sustainable technologies.The next step is to progress these issues with Government.
:rolleyes: The Docklands Policy Committee is proposing to travel to Sweden/Denmark and the U.K. for “study visits†In addition a visit is planned to Dublin.
😮 How many of us will be alive to see the Docklands redeveloped the way these amateurs are carrying on?
samuel j wrote:True..
Excluding the Tivoli Container berths, much of the bulk cargoes/vessels are already using Ringaskiddy and Port of Cork plans well advanced. Can’t see them lads being an obstacle as they usually not ones for just taking about it but do-ers…
QUOTE]😮 Port of Cork made representations to CCC in the recent past quoting figures of 80, 100, and then 110 million euros as the cost of relocating to the lower harbour.
WHO is going to pay these costs??
Hopefully no individual or company will be allowed to hold the City of Cork to ransom to allow the Docklands development proceed (no matter what local rep’s are batting for them) 😉
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