Developments in Cork
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The newly opened Cork City and County Archive Building on Great Willaim O’Brien Street is to be named the Seamus Murphy Building after a recent vote by CCC.
Seamus Murphy was a sculptor from Mallow who worked on Watercourse Road in Blackpool. He designed The Church of the Annunciation, Blackpool and completed most of the sculptural stonework in the building himself.
His work is also evident in many busts, plaques and commemorative stones (including gravestones) around the country, as well as numerous statue pieces. The 110th anniversary of his birth will take place in 2007 and this is part of CCC’s commemoration of that year.
New Archives Centre in Blackpool
Seamus Murphy
Blackpool Church, Seamus Murphy’s masterpieceInterestingly, not a single token cut-stone on the building! Murphy believed the death knell for Cork stone-cutters was sounded by the building of Christ the King in Turner’s Cross. Maybe it would be a better idea to decide BEFORE hand with regard to whom a building is to be dedicated rather than after when there is little possibility of incorporating any sensitivity to the person honoured. However, I suppose we have to be grateful for small mercies.
😡 Fears that anti apartment paranoia in Cork is spreading to areas outside Wilton is confirmed by tonight’s Evening Echo reporting that Cllr. Terry Shannon has joined the NIMBY brigade declaring that high rise developments are not suitable for his area.
Cllr. Shannon spoke against apartments in city hall recently supported (surprisingly) by Jim Corr, Denis O’Flynn, Catherine Clancy, Ciaran Lynch, and Sean Martin, these beauties joined the usual anti’s such as McCarthy- Buttimer, O’Brien, O’Leary, Barry et al.Proposed developments that are upsetting our poor councilors include;
Cormac Smith’s proposal for the demolition of Springville House, Blackrock and the construction of a residential development consisting of 29 No. apartments and 7 No. townhouses and parking for 40 No. vehicles with access off Bull’s Lane.
Lane Homes plans to demolish Lovett’s Restaurant and the associated stone boundary wall and construct 33 no. apartments consisting of 10 no. 1 bedoom apartments & 23 no.2 bedroom apartments over 2, 3, and 4 storeys.
Extinguishing part of the green area in Lake Lawn, Douglas to allow access for apartment development.
Redevelopment of the Ardmanning Bar, Togher Road.
Redevelopment of the Doughcloyne Hotel
How will urban sprawl ever be addressed with narrow minded fools such as these?:o
Actually, I’m still a little surprised that Lovett’s isn’t a listed building.
I have a little sympathy for the councillors in this case. High rise development is only appropriate in conjunction with decent public transport (or locations that are walkable to places of employment/retail/entertainment) and neither of the sites mentioned have that. If you put high-rise there and all the inhabitants have to use their cars, the consequence would be havoc on the local roads. And the roads in that portion of the city don’t have the capacity of the ones around Wilton.
High rise along rail lines, bus routes (with at least a bus every 10 minutes) or potential future light rail routes is acceptable, but it’s not appropriate in all locations.
@jungle wrote:
I have a little sympathy for the councillors in this case. High rise development is only appropriate in conjunction with decent public transport (or locations that are walkable to places of employment/retail/entertainment) and neither of the sites mentioned have that.
High rise along rail lines, bus routes (with at least a bus every 10 minutes) or potential future light rail routes is acceptable, but it’s not appropriate in all locations.
If the councillors actually did something about the transport in the first place we wouldnt be having this argument. Councillors are in effect powerless and should either be abolished or a full review of their duties and expenses should be completed.
You have to have sympathy for Lake Lawn, there should be no green areas extinguished. My general point is that I agree completely that the transport links need to be in place before the high rise in the suburbs takes place, but there should be no reason why there cant be high rise in town.
Douglas is a nightmare for traffic and until something is done about it, then it will just get worse, I dont see the councillors trying to sort it out, they have to rely on teh NRA which is completely out of their hands.
Pug wrote:You have to have sympathy for Lake Lawn, there should be no green areas extinguished. My general point is that I agree completely that the transport links need to be in place before the high rise in the suburbs takes place, but there should be no reason why there cant be high rise in town.The docklands should provide us with a well designed area for high rise apartments if Councillors and Management of CCC ever get off their backsides and make things happen.
Almost 10 years on and the docks area is still like a pigsty:o@kite wrote:
The docklands should provide us with a well designed area for high rise apartments if Councillors and Management of CCC ever get off their backsides and make things happen.
Almost 10 years on and the docks area is still like a pigsty:oCould it be argued that allowing suburban high-rise (low-medium-rise :rolleyes: ) is damaging the Docklands plan?
must say I think knocking Lovetts is a disgrace. When you look at some of the stuff that is listed (apparently the old science building in UCC is!) its amazing this isn’t.
Just generally, is it that post-Lexington this site doesn’t capture all the development news in existence or have things gone this quiet? the city needs something big to happen asap (CIE are you listening).
@browser wrote:
must say I think knocking Lovetts is a disgrace. When you look at some of the stuff that is listed (apparently the old science building in UCC is!) its amazing this isn’t.
Just generally, is it that post-Lexington this site doesn’t capture all the development news in existence or have things gone this quiet? the city needs something big to happen asap (CIE are you listening).
From the following link it looks clear that Irish Rail are not going to carry out the original plans 🙁
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=198
@mhenness wrote:
From the following link it looks clear that Irish Rail are not going to carry out the original plans 🙁
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=198
Why does nobody kick up about this kind of thing? We were supposed to get a reconfigured station on the quay thus bringing it much nearer to town. The main bus station was to move there too with Horgan’s Quay being a feeder station. It was supposed to be a huge project, not a €4m temporary fix-it.
I’m telling you, we really should declare Independence down here and take our oil/gas reserves to our new State. The chances of getting any proper infrastructural investment in this Country anywhere other than Dublin are zilch (and no, a road linking Dublin with Cork is not infrastructural investment in Cork. Our “National” roads merely link Dublin with everywhere, that is it). In fairness to the Dubs, fair play if they can get away with siphoning the nation’s taxes for their own use. I just cannot believe the rest of the country, including “Rebel” Cork, is so docile when it happens.
Rant over. Have a good weekend.
@mhenness wrote:
From the following link it looks clear that Irish Rail are not going to carry out the original plans 🙁
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/news.asp?action=view&news_id=198
A major redevelopment of Kent Station for 4 million!!
A house extention in some parts of the Country would cost more.:eek:
I assume that figure as printed in the Echo is a misprint?Almost two years after the first suggestion of a land swap in one of the south’s most affluent housing suburbs, Douglas Golf Club members in Cork are to meet developers Castlelands Construction in early 2007 to be shown ambitious plans for a “two-for-one swapâ€, with two, 18-hole Robert Trent Jones II-designed courses, all on 400 acres of land off the Carrigaline Road. By Tommy Barker in today’s IE
Full story here;
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=15813-qqqx=1.asp@kite wrote:
A major redevelopment of Kent Station for 4 million!!
A house extention in some parts of the Country would cost more.:eek:
I assume that figure as printed in the Echo is a misprint?I don’t think it’s a misprint. If you look at the list of things they are proposing to do, they are only a subset of the original plans where they said they would create a plaza at the back of kent station so travellers could walk straight towards the city centre over a new pedestrian bridge. I don’t see even an ambiguous suggestion that they are going to do this in the article. 🙁
@mhenness wrote:
I don’t think it’s a misprint. If you look at the list of things they are proposing to do, they are only a subset of the original plans where they said they would create a plaza at the back of kent station so travellers could walk straight towards the city centre over a new pedestrian bridge. I don’t see even an ambiguous suggestion that they are going to do this in the article. 🙁
😮 God help us one and all if this is true.
CCC have a lot to answer for in allowing this type of third world piecemeal development…an utter, utter embarrassment for Cork City and the overpaid muppets running planning in CorkBloody idiots. Stupid, useless idiots.
First thing they need to do is say to hell with the carpark and rebuild the station, before the whole thing falls down.
Look at the ceiling next time you’re waiting for a train and you’ll see what I mean.
whats the story with kent station? I thought they were planning to turn it around to face the river and expand it to the size and standard of heuston station!? It nows seems like they have setteled for a small scale redevelopment which is after getting me thinking and it seems this is always the case in Cork, we never seem to be ambitious and think big when it comes to building and development and this can be seen by the mindless fools who keep fighting high rise developments (3 storys, in fairness they go on about Cork being a exciting vibrant developing european city and they fight developments over 3 storys)!I really cant stand these people, why dont they shag off to a village or small town somewhere if thats the way they want to it because you cant have both and Cork is going to struggle and lose its location as the second city with people like this holding it back! Another example is the event centre which is a really important development for the city for the above reasons and really has to be sorted out fast before limerick gets there first and again we aim for a 5000 seat centre and limerick plans a 8000 seater and the point is to double its capacity which proves my point!if there was any ambitious developers and city planners there they would work to get Cork a 8-10,000 multi purpose seater centre like the odessy in belfast which would be the most benificial to the city! Just on this point aswell and iv mentioned this before but I was in Limerick the other day and it seems a much more developed city and I just cant understand this? I was in the roxboro,castletroy area and it was much more developed than anywhere in Cork id say, there was shopping centres,food outlets retail parks with stores that are not evan in Cork yet and I just cant understand this for a place that at least has double the population and to make matters worse they will probably get the conference centre before us aswell the way its going! Just wondering does anyone have an answer to this, is it the city planners holding Cork back or are the developers just not ambitious enough or whats the story?:mad:
For all his faults Mr. Joe Gavin has been absolutely consistent in his drive to provide Cork with a conference centre and has identified the area surrounding Kent Station as his preferred location for same.
I wonder if the developers who expressed an interest in building the centre will be but off the idea by the piecemeal development of Kent?
CIE’s heel dragging on their site has caused nothing but trouble for the Manager and the city, I feel the past history on this site (O’Callaghan / Coveney) is making them slow to commit to redevelopment.@kite wrote:
For all his faults Mr. Joe Gavin has been absolutely consistent in his drive to provide Cork with a conference centre and has identified the area surrounding Kent Station as his preferred location for same.
I wonder if the developers who expressed an interest in building the centre will be but off the idea by the piecemeal development of Kent?
CIE’s heel dragging on their site has caused nothing but trouble for the Manager and the city, I feel the past history on this site (O’Callaghan / Coveney) is making them slow to commit to redevelopment.Kents Station is dragging on for years and only goes to show how Cork always loses out to funding,from the new airport to the delayed school of music,decentralisation….roll on the next election.
Mockery of the highest order and only goes to keep up the image of how hard it is to get development in the “second”city for “high rise” i.e.anything over 3 -storeys.Mary Leland writing weekly in the Sunday Independent knocking anything that is happening in the city waffling from her comfy house on about new developments and everybody dhould have an uninterrupted view of St.Finnbars Cathedral.Dublin is to get a 17,500 seat conference / concert centre,Dundalk a 8,000 seat centre.Killarneys hotels are full as the NEC holds 4,500.Our business leaders are weak,our TD’s are moribund and as for our planners………….Looks like Blackpool is set for another huge residential development.
A deal has been reached which will result in one of the largest residential developments yet in the rapidly re-developing village, within 10 minutes walk of St.Patrick Street.
Loftus have just completed the purchase of T&A building supplies on Watercourse Road (with rear access on Great William O’Brien Street), as well as the adjacent public house. It is widely believed that Loftus also own (and have done for a number of years) the low density retail units between T&A and the former Lido Cinema building (itself the subject of a recent planning rejection).
The site itself is similar in size to Frinailla’s Watercourse Road offering, City Square/Lady’s Well and is within a stones throw of the new Government Buildings/Revenue Offices currently under construction. With both Blackpool Shopping/Retail centre and St.Patrick’s Street just a 10 minute stroll away, this site will be a developers dream for residential use.
A sale price of €12.5 million has been mooted.
Plans will now be formulated for a high density residential development with minor retail frontages. The site is constrained somewhat, in that it borders on its southern edge, Madden’s Buildings, which are listed, protected structures. Recent large scale developments adjacent to these buildings have been rightly, cut down in size to protect the one storey cottages from being overlooked.
On the rest of the site however, expect some fairly hardcore development.
Also expect some important local input, with Kathleen Lynch TD living just 100 yards from the site, she has already shown her willingness to battle developers on behalf of local residents.
This development’s impact on Great William O’Brien Street, Madden’s Buildings and Watercourse Road will make it one that will be argued over for a while yet.
Anyway, early days, everything is still at the very early planning stages.
“Plans will now be formulated for a high density residential development with minor retail frontages”
Great, just what the world needs, more apartments! I’m glad the developers aren’t wasting their time on building conference centres, train stations, museums, public spaces and other things we already have too many of in Cork.
Radioactiveman, post Lexington you seem to me to be the most informed poster on this site re impending development. Am v depressed with what I read on this site these days. Is there anything in the pipeline to cheer me up (ie. anything other than apartments in Suburbia – and yes I do welcome urban renewal in Blackpool etc but you know what I mean…).
thanks in advance.
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