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  • #707383
    wexfordplanner
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    I am currently working on my final year thesis broadly on the topic of encouraging the renovation of derelict dwellings as an alternative to building more one offs.

    Does anybody have any suggestions as to how some form of market based / economic incentives could be used to encourage this.

    Any comments on derelict dwellings would be welcome.

    Thanks.

    #746994
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Am I correct in thinking that some councils in N.I or the DoE give grants towards doing up old farmhouses as residences?

    #746995
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It certainly makes economic sense once the old ones aren’t too far gone.

    The only thing is that most of the houses let go to rack and ruin were generally small and normally were pretty shabby workmanship.

    #746996
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    I think in the north, its more a case of the old two storey farmhouse being replaced by a more recent bungalow. Almost certain that I know of someone who got a grant to do up an old one on her father’s land.

    #746997
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    A bit of a grant would level up the playing field a little alright. In this country having any old property is all a bit of a nightmare with the amount responsibility and the lack of help from the government.

    #746998
    Devin
    Participant

    There must be several hundred farmhouses and cottages in various states of dereliction in every county in Ireland. If there was a really good grant scheme here for restoring them & bringing them back from the brink it would take off some of the pressure for new one-offs, which mostly look horrible in the landscape (i think).

    An organisation called ‘Leader’ used to give grants for restoring old farmhouses. Do a search on them. Dunno what they were like on states of dereliction or making sure the buildings were restored in a historically correct way.

    All the local authorities have grant schemes for works to protected structures to be administered by the Conservation Officer, but they usually have trouble giving away all their annual grant allocation cos of lack of resources to properly adminster it. Some countys don’t even have a Conservation Officer. If more resources were allocated, this scheme could be extended to derelict farmhouses & buildings of vernacular interest.

    At least if the grant comes from the local authority you know the work will be done according to Best Conservation Practice (cos it will be part of the conditions of the grant) – so no plastic windows, no shiny fibre-cement roof slates, no heavy raised pointing to stonework.

    #746999
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Originally posted by Devin

    At least if the grant comes from the local authority you know the work will be done according to Best Conservation Practice (cos it will be part of the conditions of the grant) – so no plastic windows, no shiny fibre-cement roof slates, no heavy raised pointing to stonework.

    Well thanks very much for running down me line of business, but I have always been very aware that my product sells itself on the price savings it gives to customers.

    As you say yourself: if the council wants a higher standard of building they really need to start looking at helping people out. I am just as happy selling timber windows only that most couples can’t afford them. :rolleyes:

    Grants really are the only one to solve it

    #747000
    Devin
    Participant

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    #747001
    wexfordplanner
    Participant

    Thanks for all the helpful replies.

    I was wondering what people would think of a possible re-working of the Part 5 Social / Affordable Housing. As this currently really only applies to urban projects / zoned land, could a new section be added to local authorities Housing Strategy about restoring derelict dwellings. Instead of giving 20% or a financial contribution, is it posible to give developers another option, to restore derelict rural dwellings instead. This would not only contribute to the housing supply in rural areas, but would also clear eyesores, protect our built heritage and would enable developers to make a true contribution to the housing supply in this country? A booklet could be produced for each LA with details of derelict dwellings such as owners, things to be protected, projected costs etc….., to make the process a bit easier.

    What do people think? Would this work?

    #747002
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    That sounds very clever.

    Turn on your e-mail function in your user profile.

    #747003
    wexfordplanner
    Participant

    Just turned on my email.

    Sorry about that!

    #747004
    Devin
    Participant

    PVC King, you are undermining individuals who come to this forum in earnest for advice and information on built environment issues.

    #747005
    sinead
    Participant

    I agree Devin, and I couldn’t help but notice PVC King did not comment on the earlier thread ”Irelands says no to PVC windows”.

    #747006
    wexfordplanner
    Participant

    Sinead and Devin, in defence of PVC King, I did get a lengthy and very helpful reply by email to the ideas that were posted above.

    WexfordPlanner

    #747007
    Frank Taylor
    Participant

    He gave me a helpful answer in the ‘Ireland says no to PVC’ thread.

    #747008
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks for your support Wexford Planner and Frank,

    some people on this site are just pure paranoid it looks

    #747009
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Well you are kinda waving a red rag at a bull here with that name like that – you might as well be called Patrick Gallagher 😉

    #747010
    Rory W
    Participant

    PVC King

    Maybe he runs a fetish shop??

    #747011
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Who was Patrick Gallaher, did he make cigerettes?

    You can’t go anywhere with this smoking ban and now PVC windows are being attacked as if they killed people.

    I don’t have any Shop Rory, not yet.

    #747012
    Devin
    Participant

    well you could at least know youre subject PVC k, graham had to correct you about the 4 courts.

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