Cork Transport
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It’s so much the amount spent, but how it was spent. For that money they should have had a better terminal with a higher capacity, more ramp space for widebody jets and business jets and maybe even upgraded landing systems. Grrrrrrr!
Instead we got a terminal that reached it’s designed passenger throughput capacity in the year it was opened, insufficient space for business jets (an easy revenue source), a ramp so small that widebodies have to park down by the freight terminal instead of at the terminal or the sole airbridge and the same ILS systems which aren’t suited to the inclement weather sometimes found in Cork.
Saw the following in the Examiner today. Says it all really: “Iarnród Éireann officials also hinted during the briefing that the commuter rail line to Midleton is expected to open by the “end of 2008†rather than “by 2008â€.
Seems that they are literally living up to their advertising slogan of ‘We’re not there yet, but we’re getting there!’
It’s hard to blame Irish Rail for this one.
There’s not a lot they can do until the minister gives them the go-ahead.
Compared to other sections of government, they’ve a fairly good record of bringing projects in on-time and on-budget. That is on-time and on-budget after it’s finally got out of the DOT.
Irish Rail are not part of the Government.
And ‘by end of 2008’ has always been the line on the Midleton project, it hasn’t changed. Doesn’t answer the question as to why the Minister has yet to sign the works order.
in one of the papers today, there was a briefing I think for local councillors on Transport 21 and when pressed, government officials said the sarsfield, bandon road and N28 funding wouldnt come until 2010 and add at least a year to build so some time in 2011 to get new roads
and they want us to vote for them,,,,,,,
Cullen is sitting on the Midleton Railway order according to Platform 11. Thats not gonna be open by the end of next year. Not a HOPE.
Sarsfield and Bandon roads wont be started till the Interurban Build is done (N/M 6,7,8,9). Dont expect construction to start until 2010 at the earliest, unless some election promise materialises. Expect an 18 month to 24 month build on them too. N28 is lower priority again, think its mentioned here that the golf club that it bisects is gonna be handed over in 2012. In better news, they have got limited funding to make detailed plans for them, so once they get the funding it should be quick enough to start.
Most things are on hold until the interurbans are done. I kinda agree with this, simply because noone gets killed waiting in a jam at Bandon Road. People get killed because of woefully substandard S2 interurbans.
So why isn’t everything else stopping around the country until the interurbans are done?? Transport 21 is a lopsided eastern coast focued plan…….if the government are serious about their spatial strategy they need to put in the necessary infrastructure in gateways such as cork. As minister for enterprise and employment shouldn’t michael martin be ensuring that these projects are expedited so that businesses are attracted to the regions?? He is always very quiet concerning cork issues!!
Loads of stuff countrywide is put on hold, except for stuff that is already in construction (eg: Gorey bypass). The rest of the N11 (Dublin – Rosslare) for example has planning but no funding until after the Interurbans are done.
Granted, Transport21 doesnt deliver well for Cork, but that is along other lines. I fully agree with the prioritisation of the Interurbans over the Bandon/Sarsfield schemes 🙂
From The Phoenix Magazine on Waterford Airport
I wonder are there any connections with Cork Ariport……..
@THE_Chris wrote:
Most things are on hold until the interurbans are done. I kinda agree with this, simply because noone gets killed waiting in a jam at Bandon Road. .
Theres a terrible low benchmark set in Ireland when it comes to these road projects, I utterly disagree with saying things like its ok that the roads should be delayed until the interurbans are done. If thats the case then the interurbans should have been started and completed by now.
I dont believe a word of it when politicians announce projects as coming in ahead of schedule and under budget Where was the detailed schedule published? where was the detailed budget for taxpayers money? what happens to the money thats saved when its under budget?
Martin Cullen is sitting on the Railway order because FF have NOTHING else to promise Cork except a delayed Midleton railway that they have announced over and over. They are under pressure now with the airport fiasco
This government hasn’t been great for Cork on the infrastructure side of things, the midleton line, the airport, the south ring fly overs and the north ring road, all badly needed but none getting central government funding. Another thing this goverment messed up was decentralisation, this was a chance to follow the spatial strategy and kick start real development in the regions…….if they had concentrated on the cities instead of decentralising jobs from Cork to Macroom:mad:
@Pug wrote:
Theres a terrible low benchmark set in Ireland when it comes to these road projects, I utterly disagree with saying things like its ok that the roads should be delayed until the interurbans are done. If thats the case then the interurbans should have been started and completed by now.
I dont believe a word of it when politicians announce projects as coming in ahead of schedule and under budget Where was the detailed schedule published? where was the detailed budget for taxpayers money? what happens to the money thats saved when its under budget?
Martin Cullen is sitting on the Railway order because FF have NOTHING else to promise Cork except a delayed Midleton railway that they have announced over and over. They are under pressure now with the airport fiasco
They seem to have “dug a hole” for themselves in Cork and anecdotally everyone I speak to sems to be planning on voting Green in Cork ?
Get out the cheque book Bertie or at least get it off Brian Cowan – do they realise that its our money in the first place ?
Fianna fAil have shot themselves in the foot in Cork.
@Pug wrote:
Theres a terrible low benchmark set in Ireland when it comes to these road projects, I utterly disagree with saying things like its ok that the roads should be delayed until the interurbans are done. If thats the case then the interurbans should have been started and completed by now.
I dont believe a word of it when politicians announce projects as coming in ahead of schedule and under budget Where was the detailed schedule published? where was the detailed budget for taxpayers money? what happens to the money thats saved when its under budget?
Martin Cullen is sitting on the Railway order because FF have NOTHING else to promise Cork except a delayed Midleton railway that they have announced over and over. They are under pressure now with the airport fiasco
They seem to have “dug a hole” for themselves in Cork and anecdotally everyone I speak to sems to be planning on voting Green in Cork ?
Get out the cheque book Bertie or at least get it off Brian Cowan – do they realise that its our money in the first place ?
Fianna Fail have shot themselves in the foot in Cork.
Oh dont get me wrong, Im not forgiving them for not doing the SRR flyovers 😉
Originally the interurbans were supposed to be finished by 1999, then it slipped to 2006, then to 2010. Im not forgiving fumbling like that, but the NRA are working on a ranking system, and lets face it, you cant build every single road project at once.
Im not agreeing with the laziness, but I am agreeing on the prioritisation of interurbans over these roundabouts.
Tho all that said dont be surprised if, for an election boost, the Midleton railway order is magically signed and the SRR roundabouts suddenly granted funding juuuuust as the election is due.
THE_Chris wrote:Oh dont get me wrong, Im not forgiving them for not doing the SRR flyovers ]And I take your point completely that safety is paramount, especially after the incidents in Kildare last week.
Well bigger fool the people who vote for them then if their signing of a Railway Order that will be a year late and funding for flyovers that should have been built years ago will sway their thinking
Today’s Cork Independent really sums up the Cork Airport issue;
FLYING HIGH
THERE was something rather pathetic in the response of the Cork Airport Authority to its crippling 100 million euro debt.
Instead of resigning in protest, me what did they do?
They called in a firm of consultants to give them “an overviewâ€. At a cost of more millions! What a cop-out!
The added-on cost of the new terminal was the ball-cruncher, so they said, but, if they thought it outrageous and unfair, why didn’t they pack their bags and with a glorious flourish, tell the gang in Dublin to get stuffed, was it politics that kept them quiet?
Bringing in consultants smacks of a FF wheeze to get the controversy off the front pages and past the election date. After that, who’ll give a tinkers about the debt except the ripped-off traveling punter?
The government appointed Board is made up an interesting bunch of people. It includes a stainless steel manufacturer, a travel agent, a philanthropist, a brewer, and a fish exporter.Cullen has just signed the Midleton Railway Order.
4 weeks before it becomes enforcable, time to allow for a highcourt challenge.
Construction should be fairly soon afterwards as IE are ready, apparently.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Cullen has just signed the Midleton Railway Order.
4 weeks before it becomes enforcable, time to allow for a highcourt challenge.
Construction should be fairly soon afterwards as IE are ready, apparently.
Just signed it when Seamus Brennan said it would be finished this year. What a fool of a man. Not only should Midleton get up in arms with petitions etc, they should badger every single FF member looking for a vote about this and the airport debt.
Wont be ready now until 2009 AT LEAST.
Not an opinion, but fact.
Cork has got enough investment in infrastructure in this government, comparing to other regions.
Galway for example growing much faster than Cork has not got one major road built in the last 10 years. With the exception of the Loughrea relief road, which was urgent and was in the planning for many years. Galway is way behind in terms of infrastructure when compared to Cork. The Balinasloe N6 project is the only major road to start in this region for along time.. Look at the Water crisis Galway is having now?
Limerick SSR started in mid 90s and won’t be finished until the end of 2010. Time and length to build this should not take that long, it’s totally unacceptable. And that’s 16 years and will be tolled. There is nothing else in Limerick in terms of transport that is getting any priority after the SRR or will get the go ahead in this government in my opinion. But the interurban like the rest of the regions will be priority obviously.
Waterford they have only just started on its new ring road now the N25 which will be tolled. Cullen has obviously fast tracked the Dublin to Waterford N9 road to get finished in line with the rest of the inter urbans though.
Cork has the Lee tunnel toll free, Ballincollig bypass, Kinsale roundabout flyover, N27 southlink. Watergrasshil and Fermoy bypasses, Blackpool Bypass, Mallow 2+1 schemes, Youghal bypass, Kinsalbeg N25.Mitchellstown relief road. Hourly train service to Dublin, Kent station upgrade, Cork Airport terminal and now they’ve finally fastracked the Midleton rail line. Cork has gotten a lot more than, you’re letting us to believe in this thread. I could go on..
Anyway, Yes I agree that there are many projects to catch up on and delayed etc. yes I agree Cork should get more funding being Ireland’s second biggest city, but we have to be realistic here too.
So stop winging. It’s not just unique to Cork with the problems in this country…:p
@dave123 wrote:
Waterford they have only just started on its new ring road now the N25 which will be tolled. Cullen has obviously fast tracked the Dublin to Waterford N9 road to get finished in line with the rest of the inter urbans though.
Dave I was gobsmacked when you exceeded post 321. Where have you been hiding in recent times?
Waterford getting a priority inter urban Dual Carriageway was a deadful decision and can only be compared to the M3 going to Kells as they are both totally politically motivated white elephants.
Take this one onto the Tara thread
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