Cork Transport
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@mickeydocs wrote:
anybody know what’s proposed for the south presentation now that it has closed as a school?
Would like to know that myself. Also on a similar note what is to become of St Finbarrs Seminary Farranferris. This school has also closed down recently. Looks destined to become apartments I suppose? It has several large pitches and green spaces that look ripe for development.
@PTB wrote:
A problem I experienced while trying to get to the marquee a few days ago was [Not being to used to using buses in the city] that there is two number two buses. One going north to Knocknaheeny and one going south to Mahon. What was worse was that the woman in the bus station gave me a timetable for the northbound bus. I can understand why tourists hate our public transport system [Ireland in general with the exception of the luas] when a city has two number two busses going in two different directions.
Jack Lynch Tunel: Apparently the tunnel is running well over the projected daily usage of 2012 [Somthing like that at least] which shows just how wrong the planners get it wrong. The most effective but most expensive solution, in my opinion at least, would be to build two tunnels parallell to the outsides of the current tunnel, go under the interchange and bring you up onto the N8. It would probably be very difficult to get it out given the rail track and road near the Ibis Hotel so its a bit of a dream. Or one could do the opposite and build a sunspension bridge which would be even more spectacular and farfetched. Ah well, I can dream cant I?
I’m no engineer, but I’ve thought a fair bit about how to make that roundabout freeflow without modifying the tunnel much.
All you have to do is take the current east-west N25 run and put THAT in a tunnel underneath the current roundabout. Then you could get rid of the roundabout and put freeflow slips everywhere to solve the current problems.
THe traffic lights were a stopgap.
It will get bad again.Opening the Kinsale Road flyover will jam the tunnel up like mad.
Opening the 694 house development in Glanmire will make it worse.
Opening the north ring will make it even worse.Yes, we’re talking Red Cow Of The South with that roundabout. I dont think people realise just how bad its going to be in a few years time.
Simple solution would appear to be restrict development around Glanmire; provide a proper light rail system for the South City and grade seperate Dunkettle to provide a direct connection from the N8 to the N25 Tunnel without entering the roundabout with all other routes using the existing roundabout with a dramatically reduced traffic flow.
@Thomond Park wrote:
Simple solution would appear to be restrict development around Glanmire.
It’s not as simple as that.
The traffic heading for the tunnel is not just generated by Glanmire, it is coming in from Fermoy and Midleton and all the settlements in between (Rathcormac Watergrasshill, Knockraha Glounthaune, Cobh, Carrigtwohill). People in Glanmire are not the only or even the main culprits. After all they have the option of avoiding the N8 interchange by going to the city via the old Dunkettle roundabout or over New Inn to Mayfield.
The problem is that the CASP strategy for 2021 puts most of the new development into the corridor of the Mallow to Midleton rail line, hoping that people will choose the train instead of the car. Perhaps they will eventually but the train service is not there yet and the development is already starting to build up. We don’t need short term knee-jerk solutions. We need cool heads and a sustainable long term strategy.
Trust the planners! They know what they’re doing!
.What about having the Dublin-Tunnel road as the through road, raising the roundabout and putting on the Cork-Waterford road. Which road has higher traffic volumes?
The only way I can imagine a completely free-flowing junction is by creating the N25 portion of the junction east of the current site and having a number of long elevated sliproads connecting the roads.
i must repeat an earlier post. Upgrading roads is in general the worst thing you can do with your money.
Very simply if you upgrad a junction or whatever so that it can cope with an extra 100 cars per hour , you will end up with an extra 110 cars per hour.
Just look at corks histrory (or dublin’s ) as we have built more roads the traffic has gotten worse . It is mad but that is how it is. If you want fast roads you have to charge people to use them . plain and simple.
And you have to charge people a lot. Consider would you still have the same traffic jams if you charged a fiver through the tunnel ? People might object but have they considered the time they waste sitting in their cars .
Say you are paid 30 euros an hour . well if you spend an hour going to work , wouldn’t it be in your interest to pay a five euro toll and so only spend ten minutes commuting and work for fifty minutes ? You are up anyway ?
don’t follow dublin experience it is a bad bad experience. you need group transport group living and group working : a city
@a boyle wrote:
i must repeat an earlier post. Upgrading roads is in general the worst thing you can do with your money.
Very simply if you upgrad a junction or whatever so that it can cope with an extra 100 cars per hour , you will end up with an extra 110 cars per hour.
Just look at corks histrory (or dublin’s ) as we have built more roads the traffic has gotten worse . It is mad but that is how it is. If you want fast roads you have to charge people to use them . plain and simple.
And you have to charge people a lot. Consider would you still have the same traffic jams if you charged a fiver through the tunnel ? People might object but have they considered the time they waste sitting in their cars .
Say you are paid 30 euros an hour . well if you spend an hour going to work , wouldn’t it be in your interest to pay a five euro toll and so only spend ten minutes commuting and work for fifty minutes ? You are up anyway ?
don’t follow dublin experience it is a bad bad experience. you need group transport group living and group working : a city
I agree. The major investment in Cork needs to go towards public transport.
However, there are sometimes slight changed that can make a big difference. For people who know Cork, the right-hand turning lane at the bottom of Donnybrook Hill is an example,
Public Transport uses roads to and any bus stuck in a traffic jam is bad news
Presumably as part of the work on the flyover, the lanes have been repainted on the Magic Roundabout and now make sense! They don’t disappear or merge anymore and should result in less crashes.
So simple….why couldn’t they have done it years ago?!
@Angry Rebel wrote:
Presumably as part of the work on the flyover, the lanes have been repainted on the Magic Roundabout and now make sense! They don’t disappear or merge anymore and should result in less crashes.
So simple….why couldn’t they have done it years ago?!
The local authorities in Cork have a unique approach to road lining. When one lane becomes two, one always has markings that emerge from the kerb rather than start in the middle of the road.
Much more interesting is Parnell Place, where if you go into the left hand lane and aren’t turning off, the markings will gracefully guide you into the footpath…
Originally Posted by THE_Chris
I’m no engineer, but I’ve thought a fair bit about how to make that roundabout freeflow without modifying the tunnel much.All you have to do is take the current east-west N25 run and put THAT in a tunnel underneath the current roundabout. Then you could get rid of the roundabout and put freeflow slips everywhere to solve the current problems.
THe traffic lights were a stopgap.
It will get bad again.Opening the Kinsale Road flyover will jam the tunnel up like mad.
Opening the 694 house development in Glanmire will make it worse.
Opening the north ring will make it even worse.Yes, we’re talking Red Cow Of The South with that roundabout. I dont think people realise just how bad its going to be in a few years time.
Alternately you could tunnel under the roundabout north-south and not have to destroy the existing flyover. But like THE_Chris said I’m no engineer and would that destabilise the flyover above? Also the problem of lack of tunnel capacity would hardly be rectified. Then again that might not be so much of an issue as the delays at the interchange.
Low-cost airline Wizz Air have announced that it will start a service from Cork International Airport to Gdansk in Northern Poland from early December. The airline has recently started flights from Cork to Katowice. There is also a lot of talk over Ryanair’s decision to recruit extra staff in Cork. I wonder have they decided to increase their presence at the airport. :confused:Has anyone heard any more about the water taxi service that was in “planning” stages at Christmas. I haven’t heard anything about it in ages. Is it still going ahead?
From what was being talked about a few months ago, it would be a commuter style service to be used by both locals and tourists with each boat capable of holding about 20 passengers, maybe more, I’m not sure. It sounded like a good idea but I haven’t heard anything since.
I know of a commuter style one that held considerably more than 20 but on initial examination it has proved unviable. It has been parked for the moment.
@A-ha wrote:
From what was being talked about a few months ago, it would be a commuter style service to be used by both locals and tourists with each boat capable of holding about 20 passengers, maybe more, I’m not sure. It sounded like a good idea but I haven’t heard anything since.
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Cork City Council’s Planning & Development Strategic Policy Committee met on Monday 26th June and recommended a motion from Cllr.Denis O’Flynn to be approved by CCC to provide a river bus service to serve Mahon and Blackrock as part of the “Blackrock Village Planâ€, this follows a motion from Cllr.Chris O’Leary for a river bus service for the city centre.
A great idea if it ever becomes a reality.Does that mean that the City Council will provide the service or that they think it’s a good idea and that someone else should provide it?
I don’t see the need for it to be honest. The No 2 bus goes along the same route, and will do so faster. A ferry/taxi is restricted to 6 knots from Blackrock Castle up to the city centre. (Unless the operator can do some very fancy footwork with the Port of Cork). [6 knots = 7 mph!]
@Angry Rebel wrote:
Does that mean that the City Council will provide the service or that they think it’s a good idea and that someone else should provide it?
I don’t see the need for it to be honest. The No 2 bus goes along the same route, and will do so faster. A ferry/taxi is restricted to 6 knots from Blackrock Castle up to the city centre. (Unless the operator can do some very fancy footwork with the Port of Cork). [6 knots = 7 mph!]
I think it’s all up in the air at the moment on who would provide the service Angry Rebel.
On the No 2 bus, the recent vote on the Blackrock Area Plan saw councillors from the area force city management to remove the “Green bus route” along the marina. Is this the No 2 route?, if so maybe the river would be a faster route rather then being stuck in traffic on a bus?QBC is the only way to go in the short term but realistically an Airport of that size should have at least a light rail connection to the CC
New intercity rail fleet launched
10 July 2006 12:06
The new intercity rail fleet to run between Cork and Dublin has been launched by the Minister for Transport, Martin Cullen, with the promise of an hourly train service between the two cities from December next.In all, 67 new carriages will see a capacity increase of over 80%, or 16,000 seats, available to customers every day.
The intercity trains were built in Spain and will replace 20-year-old rail stock.
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The purchase of 217 carriages at a cost of €440 million will mean the transformation of the fleet from being the oldest in western Europe to the newest.
The renewal programme is funded by the Government under Transport 21 and will be completed by 2008.
An additional 150 intercity rail cars at a cost of €322 million will be delivered by companies in Japan and Korea.
These will come on track over the next two years and will serve routes from Dublin to Mayo, Galway, Limerick, Kerry, Sligo, Rosslare and Waterford.
How many times can one announce the same thing as new and exiting?
Maybe e-voting was pulled because the button kept repeating?
i am sorry thomond , but i cant agree. cork airport is has barely a few million , simply not enough to justify such an investment.
There is huge dishonesty on the part of all politicians as to what is needed and appropriate for ireland. I would argue forcefully that cork limercik and galway would be much better served by an eastern railway shuttle service and one single airport at shannon. cork has already burned sackfulls of money on a beautifull white elephant of an airport terminal , please don’t compound the problem!!
Closing cork airport and introducing a fast shuttle service to shannon would be overall a sustainable answer. Such a trainline could be built with a short travel time. cork to shannon is only 128 km.
Instead of squandering 180 million on this terminal , that would have gone some way to building a 200 km/h trainline from cork to shannon. Then the travel time would only be some 35 minutes or so .
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