Cork Transport
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@Thomond Park wrote:
I don’t think there can be any argument on building a DC between Cork & Dublin if the traffic flows are currently 11000 at Cahirp.a. and 15,000 plus close to Portlaoise they will be close to 20,000 per day within 10 years.
I do however feel that the rationale for the N9 and M3 are crocks in comparison
How can you be sure. we have no idea what business these travellers have and where they are going . what fraction say are going to the city centre ? what fraction are tranporting goods.
All we can say is that some 15000 people move between cork and dublin each day. These people have no choice but to travel by road.
Would they drive if the train took half the time ? As minister he gets to decide what service to provide. He does not have to respond to demand , but can decide what the demand will be.
The question is what is the right balance. Thomond why build a motorway when you know as well as i do that the naas road is chock a block . All the improvements going into the m50 and the naas road will only keep the situation from deteriorating not improve it.
I accept that roundabout are not ideal , so fine don’t build them.
I accept that i am mistaken regarding the subsidy for flying.But it still does not change the main idea of my arguement .
It is a waste of time and energy to accomodate 20000 thousand people on a dual carriageway from cork to dublin , when there is no room to accomodate these cars on arrival.
You should only build for what you can cope with .
If a two + one road can only cope with 6500 and more are going to try to use it , then toll it till they don’t.
build them something else like a train or a hugely improved bus service.
The percentages of HGVs are marked and at some times up to 70% are HGVs
@Thomond Park wrote:
The percentages of HGVs are marked and at some times up to 70% are HGVs
its possible.where is the report.
@Angry Rebel wrote:
You didn’t say anything about nonstop? I’m sure if they can manage to bring in 200km/h trains they can manage to do nonstop services. Are you saying that timetable is the one that will apply then? Go away.:p
The 100,000 odd poor buggers who sit in the M50 car park every day don’t give a toss what the EIS said back in the day when that ill conceived thing was designed and built. Look, they got it wrong, and are only now trying to fix it. but don’t try and hold it up as an example of why motorways are “bad”.
On the M3, there are currently 18k per day using the N3 by Tara. That’s heavy enough. Agree the N9 now would be another story….
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Heavy enough for a DC but certainly not motoway or anything close to it. The solution to the M3 in my opinion is to continue the N2 DC from Ashbourne to a point north of Navan with the N51 upgraded to serve NavanBTW
The cost of 200 kph trains is a lot less than you think as the line needs to be relaid anyway as it was last done between 1983-4 and the only requirement is that a higher specification track be used although from what I understand 200 kph would not be possible on much of the Mallow Cork section as there are too many bends but 140 kph would with tilting diesel trains
@Thomond Park wrote:
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Heavy enough for a DC but certainly not motoway or anything close to it. The solution to the M3 in my opinion is to continue the N2 DC from Ashbourne to a point north of Navan with the N51 upgraded to serve Navansurely the solution is to reopen broadstone and create a new dart line between navan and broadstone. supplemented by an arcing tram line passing blanch/ liffey and square.
the m3 IS mad. the m50 has more dual carriage way leading onto it than it can cope with , and the m3 can only make this worse ? should be not be turfing the people onto rail ? i may be over optimistic regarding rail’s effectiveness between cork and dublin by why should any attempt be made to accomodate meath ?
Relaying the existing freight only line between Navan and Drogheda could be done in a year with three trains a day in each peak period without redesigning the timetable at a cost of €90m all in is possible with capacity for 3600 commuters is the perfect scenario given that the slots exist but the object of government appears to be to give NTR another cash cow.
But that is a discussion for another thread as this is a Cork thread and unless the €800m going down the tubes on the M3 can be proven to deprive cork of a decent public transport system through opportunity cost it is irrelevent.
Angry Rebel wrote:😡
Bullshit. I’ve regularly flown for 1 cent (plus taxes). Even the more expensive fares are better value that Citygold. You can get a seat with Ryanair for next Wednesday (I’d call that reasonably short notice for 9.99 each way. You don’t get allocated a specific seat, but you won’t be sitting in the aisle like our poor rail travellers.:rolleyes: I’m booked on ryanair next Wens. 9th Aug. to Dublin, FR9844 @ 9.15 returning on FR9847 @ 17.15, the cost 163.34 !!
Are the 1 cent flights advertised elsewhere?:confused:@Thomond Park wrote:
…But that is a discussion for another thread as this is a Cork thread and unless the €800m going down the tubes on the M3 can be proven to deprive cork of a decent public transport system through opportunity cost it is irrelevent.
that is exactly why the M3 is relevant. this is 800million that could be spend on a light rail system for cork. or more a better use might be to be a thousand odd buses for cork limerick and galway .
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: I’m booked on ryanair next Wens. 9th Aug. to Dublin, FR9844 @ 9.15 returning on FR9847 @ 17.15, the cost 163.34 !!
Are the 1 cent flights advertised elsewhere?:confused:mr kite would you be flying if the train went direct in an hour and a half ?
@a boyle wrote:
mr kite would you be flying if the train went direct in an hour and a half ?
😮 Nope, point taken.
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: I’m booked on ryanair next Wens. 9th Aug. to Dublin, FR9844 @ 9.15 returning on FR9847 @ 17.15, the cost 163.34 !!
Are the 1 cent flights advertised elsewhere?:confused:How did you manage that? I flew up two weeks ago for €19.68. For the price you are paying, I think I would prefer to take the bus 😉 . As for the trains a boyle, I have to agree with you. I’ve actually seen foreigners laughing at them they are so bad. I think that our railway system needs serious funding and improvement, but I don’t think that it should be at the expense of the roads. At the very least our railways should be electrified. Transport 21…. yeah right, not with manky Soviet diesel engines. Is there any other country in Europe that doesn’t have electrified railways? I can’t think of any….. Albania maybe? I feel so embaressed when tourists come here, because they have to suffer at the hands of our transportation system. Even the Motorways in Dublin aren’t Motorways by European standards…. the vast majority of them anyway. I could drive through Germany, France or the UK in roads with 5 or 6 lanes in each direction. Our roads are a joke….. a few scraps of dual carriageway and 2+1 roads Sellotaped together does not make a Motorway. Even the roads in Northern Ireland are far better than ours. It just gets me mad thinking of how backwards our country is. Oh well…… maybe one day.
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: I’m booked on ryanair next Wens. 9th Aug. to Dublin, FR9844 @ 9.15 returning on FR9847 @ 17.15, the cost 163.34 !!
Are the 1 cent flights advertised elsewhere?:confused:No. They’re on the website. I didn’t say anything about there being 1 cent fares on the day you wanted to travel!? Your fare appears to be pretty saucy as the FR9847 back down is obviously almost full, since the fare for that leg is €79.99. Try searching for anything further than 10 days away and you will see cent fares. e.g Mon 21st August, Cork – Dublin 06.45 or 09:15 for 1 cent, then back at 11.05 for 1 cent or 17:55 for 99 cent.
@A-ha wrote:
How did you manage that? I At the very least our railways should be electrified. Transport 21…. yeah right, not with manky Soviet diesel engines. Is there any other country in Europe that doesn’t have electrified railways? I can’t think of any…..
Surprisingly most of the intercity routes in the UK aren’t electrified for example London Edinburgh is run on diesel trains but the journey time is a mere 4 hours 40 minutes to 5 hours]0942 [/URL]
Eh, not quite. First train leaves Mallow at 07:00 and arrives in Cork at 07:24. They leave Mallow every half an hour after that until 09:11. Then it jumps to roughly hourly.
Suspect you may have been looking at the intercity schedule rather than the commuter schedule.
the point is that the train service is so poor that there is no option other than to drive or fly . if the intercity service was of some decent standard the numbers using the roads would drop dramatically and as for flying …
@a boyle Today 1:37 wrote:
the point is that those who are flying are only flying because the train network is so poor.
@a boyle Today 2:03 wrote:
the point is that the train service is so poor that there is no option other than to drive or fly . if the intercity service was of some decent standard the numbers using the roads would drop dramatically and as for flying …
Is there an echo in here…? 😀
@Angry Rebel wrote:
Eh, not quite. First train leaves Mallow at 07:00 and arrives in Cork at 07:24. They leave Mallow every half an hour after that until 09:11. Then it jumps to roughly hourly.
Suspect you may have been looking at the intercity schedule rather than the commuter schedule.
Thats quite amazing a search on the journey planner on the IE website missed those services completely which is a bit of joke considering that the same site lists a DART realtime section.
Just replicated your search there, and it is amazing. What’s even odder about it is that it actually lists the “Arrow” services, which is the commuter one, but only from 11.30 onwards?!
Good old IE. Make it nice and hard for the poor paying public to find the train they want!
They are their own worst enemies a lot of the time; I worked (voluntarily) with someone on the interconnector proposal for Dublin between 2004 and late 2005 he was all for Irish Rail and their projects but over time he came to the conclusion that they are not capable project managers. I disagree but when you see examples like the above you can understand how he reached that conclusion.
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