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Hi all,
As I am new to this site im not too sure if im posting this in the right place???
I have a question concerning Cork Bonded Warehouses, well basically the whole site at custom house quay. Does anyone know what the situation will be for it when the Port of Cork move out and when development begins for the docklands area? Will Cork Bonded Warehouse, the company, remain tenants?
rumour was that o callaghans bought it and there was brief mentions of plans for little wine bars/restaurants etc
Port of Cork wont be moving for a good while yet
oh right thanks, bars/restaurants really wouldn’t do the site justice. Such a shame!
@goose_25 wrote:
Hi all,
As I am new to this site im not too sure if im posting this in the right place???
I have a question concerning Cork Bonded Warehouses, well basically the whole site at custom house quay. Does anyone know what the situation will be for it when the Port of Cork move out and when development begins for the docklands area? Will Cork Bonded Warehouse, the company, remain tenants?
There is a thread on the Bonded Warehouses on Custom House Quay here
@goose_25 wrote:
oh right thanks, bars/restaurants really wouldn’t do the site justice. Such a shame!
Ya Wha! Such a shame???
What would you put there a Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?
I can wait till that place is done. Just imagine yourself on a summers evening outside on the terrace having a beer by the water looking down the quays at the Howard Holdings towers. I can’t think of anything better suited for such a place. It will be a huge benefit for tourism and locals alike.
Fanueil Hall in Boston or Darling Harbour in Sydney springs to mind, definitely think it is most suited as a restaurant/bar area.
While we are on the subject it is a shame that up around the Shandon Bells hasn’t been done up properly, There is only one restaurant up there, and around that open area beside the Butter Museum and at the back of the Firkin Crane Centre would make for a nice area with a few restaurants to bring a buzz around the place.
@Bourgeoise wrote:
Innovation ?
As the Port of Cork Bonded Warehouses slowly decay the cobblestone yards in this prime double waterfront location in the heart of Cork City are used as a………………..car park.its just how to separate the rowing area from the ferry or can one work alongside the other. It involves someone making a decision. Which is difficult it seems. Cue Bord Pleanala.
the docklands forum people have already been to Bremen and Hamburg to see what they did for the docklands and from a recent trip, my eyes were also opened to Oslo (fabulous newish docklands area called Akker Brygge) and Copenhagen, which has been making use of its waterfront for a while by the looks of it, their Opera House is brilliant looking.
The trip also reinforced what a shambles the public transport is in this country, trains from Norway to Sweden to Denmark, all booked from my house on the net, reserved seats, went on time, train staff had perfect English, made sure all the passengers knew where and when to change, lockers in the station to leave your bags for something like 4 or 5 euro, loads of little shops and restaurants in the train stations and trams everywhere in the cities – amazing
Just reinforces the point that Cork is miles and years behind and far too dependent on Dublin funding. I will summon every ounce of positivity I have and say at least they are doing something about it now though.
And yes, I agree with yourself and the brilliantly named Green Jesus that to sit outside the bonded warehouses, just like loads of other cities in Europe, would be pretty cool.
@green_jesus wrote:
Ya Wha! Such a shame???
What would you put there a Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?
I can wait till that place is done. Just imagine yourself on a summers evening outside on the terrace having a beer by the water looking down the quays at the Howard Holdings towers. I can’t think of anything better suited for such a place. It will be a huge benefit for tourism and locals alike.
How very narrow minded of you to think the only alternative to ‘bars/restaurants’ is ‘Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?’ My idea for the site reaches far beyond the drinking and eating habits of Cork’s locals and tourists. I was thinking the best use would be a museum, which would take up 75% of the space while the rest be devoted to one off shops/workshops giving opportunities to local artists and crafts men/women to work and sell their products. Generating tourism and revenue, while further enhancing Cork’s cultural spirit! Of course there would be a cafe/bar incorporated into the museum to increase its revenue, so you can still have your beer gazing down the quays!! But there would be a further dimension to it.
This way the site would not be lost to a string of bars/restaurants that would eventually become tired and outdated (as they all do) but it would be preserved and given back to the people of Cork.
@goose_25 wrote:
How very narrow minded of you to think the only alternative to ‘bars/restaurants’ is ‘Tesco or some low rise yuppy apartments?’ My idea for the site reaches far beyond the drinking and eating habits of Cork’s locals and tourists. I was thinking the best use would be a museum, which would take up 75% of the space while the rest be devoted to one off shops/workshops giving opportunities to local artists and crafts men/women to work and sell their products. Generating tourism and revenue, while further enhancing Cork’s cultural spirit! Of course there would be a cafe/bar incorporated into the museum to increase its revenue, so you can still have your beer gazing down the quays!! But there would be a further dimension to it.
This way the site would not be lost to a string of bars/restaurants that would eventually become tired and outdated (as they all do) but it would be preserved and given back to the people of Cork.
Boring!!! That sounds like the Cobh Heritage centre to me.
i often wondered about Cobhs heritage, one of the main bits is the history of the emigration from there, to show how people left the country in droves and the other is a former prison.
@green_jesus wrote:
Boring!!! That sounds like the Cobh Heritage centre to me.
I think it’s a decent idea. As it is, visitors have to out of their way to find the museum in Fitzgerald’s park, the opening hours aren’t ideal for the wandering tourist, and though I admit I haven’t been there since I was a kid, I’d imagine much of the exhibits wouldn’t be of the type to engage children or young adults.
Found the opening hours here:Monday to Friday: 11 a.m. – 1 p.m., 2.15 p.m. – 5 p.m.
Saturday: 11a.m. – 1 p.m., 2.15 p.m. – 4 p.m.
Sunday: 3 p.m. – 5 p.m. (April to September).Some kind of museum or cultural centre would be ideal on that site, along with a few cafes and restaurants. I could imagine a place where visitors could learn about Cork’s history, maritime traditions, the role of the river Lee in the city (and county) throughout the ages etc. Some kind of aquarium (think Boston, Melbourne, Sydney) or maritime museum (think Sydney) (but obsiously on a smaller scale in all cases) would be more engaging for younger people. They could also have a space set aside for civic purposes and even occasional art exhibitions or small performances. I’m picturing a tourist office, visitor centre, city museum, maritime museum, aquarium, civic office, art gallery, exhibition centre, performing arts theatre, cafe terrace, cruise terminal and more, all operating on this site (so as to enable year-round, all-day activity) rathre than… an ugly, out of place car park.
It really is a fantastic site for this kind of venture, with it’s location at the merging of the branches of the river, and would be easy to find with or without a map. It would be staring in the face of those arriving by train or by bus, and would also help to draw tourists and locals alike from the existing city centre east to the nascent docklands precinct.
River taxis (flying pigs?) or tourist-oriented small cruise boats could depart from there, and if the DDDA hadn’t snapped up the Jeanie Johnston she’d be a great asset to have at the site.
I’d be happy to see the local authority invest public money as long as it was done properly, and preserved the character of the original structure. Is there any way for Joe public to increase awareness of this site and its present condition, to encourage those in power to do something about it and to encourage the people who elect them to let them know it’s a major matter of concern to them? Whinging about it on this site isn’t going to get anything done.
And to avoid pissing off the admin it might be wise to continue this discussion in the thread about the site here:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=6058They are already putting a museum in the Odlums building.
What a waste it would be to turn this site into some romantic time capsule that you might visit once every few years when stuck for something to do when entertaining guests from abroad.
Why not rejoice in this place give it to the people instead of closing it off again.
(ok moving to other thread)
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/sched4.html#sched4 See sections 20 and 21.
if you cannot reach the above the planning and development 2000 can be found at http://www.environ.ie. The section is contained in the fourth schdule.
@Steady wrote:
There is a boardwalk planned between the Nano Nagle bridge and the first building to the east of it, similar to the one outside the Clarion. It may be that once the boardwalk is in place, the concrete beam will not be visible.
I’m afraid I’m very pessimistic about how this boardwalk is going to work out. I used to live on the other side of the river and crossed the Nano Nagle bridge every day on the way to work. That was one of the few areas in the city where the quayside wall was intact and the original railings were present and in good condition.
Since then:
– They installed a large PVC pipe along the quay wall, including a riser which is well up over even high tide.
– The stone wall began collapsing behind the pipe (I don’t know if this was due to the installation of the pipe).
– They’ve knocked the original railings.
– They’ve cemented over much of the stone work.
– They’ve plonked a concrete beam over the stone steps, burying them away from public access.And now they’re going to build a boardwalk which is likely to obscure what’s left of the stone work.. I don’t really know what the point is in putting a boardwalk that short is, but anyway..
I do admit, the park looks really well, but they are taking the concept of being sensitive to the location/context, and wiping their bums with it and flushing it down the toilet. 🙁
I’d have thought it’d be ideal location if Union Chandlery wanted to relocate across the river. That way it would retain some connection to the sea/sea faring. That, perhaps a small museum… and lots of bars and restaurants and I’d be happy! 🙂
@who_me wrote:
Ah, is that going ahead? Presumably with the regulation 1/2 floors knocked off.
It is kind of a pity the mural is gone. I guess they didn’t think the building would go ahead so soon!
As far as I’am aware CCC did grant planning permission with a one floor reduction but the developer got this reinstated through a Board Planneala appeal.
An image of Origin Enterprises’ Kennedy Quay development which is due for decision by CCC on the 24th. In my opinion, it is a missed opportunity of a development. The plans make no effort to conserve the office building to the west of the site and make token, almost insulting, efforts to conserve minute portions of the R&H Hall Silo buildings. The image is from the Bonded Warehouse site.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
An image of Origin Enterprises’ Kennedy Quay development which is due for decision by CCC on the 24th. In my opinion, it is a missed opportunity of a development. The plans make no effort to conserve the office building to the west of the site and make token, almost insulting, efforts to conserve minute portions of the R&H Hall Silo buildings. The image is from the Bonded Warehouse site.
Very bland, reminds me of the IFSC.
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