Cork, Mahon point, etc, etc.
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@Radioactiveman wrote:
Obviously PUG doesnt get the bus very often. Its completely out of the question to ask people to walk to Horgan’s Quay to get a bus to Dublin.
Radioactiveman, the uranium must have melted your eyes as you will see that I wrote about LITTLE SHUTTLE BUSES THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO AND FROM THE CITY CENTRE. And bunch makes the point even further, we all walk to the bloody train station.
I was really taking a pop at CIE for that one, they are an absolute shambles of an organisation, and are obviously running the FAI in their spare time. They are a highly unionised ineffective inefficent ultra orthodox organisation who in any other country would have had their management fired long ago for the inept serivce they provide for hilariously expensive prices.
The plan was to have a bus link between horgan’s quay and the city centre
however, i think the best site was/is horgan’s quay – approx 3-5 mins walk from existing bus station. radioactiveman – people walk to horgans quay to get a train –
Mahon Point is pulling the traffic away from Douglas, great. The Shopping Centre is aimed at the teen to late twenties female market. There is no mix of Shops, and the rents are as high as Patrick Street or higher.
Good luck to them.Regards
Shrink2corkI have to say I agree that the Victoria Cross development is a hideous mistake. They look like something that was lifted out of the ground in some Soviet backwater city in the 1950’s and just dumped in Victoria Cross. The council should pay to have it removed.
I dont see the point in moving the bus station to Horgans quay. It is an essential public service which should remainn where 90% of the users actually requested it stay. After its reorgainising it works perfectly and is coping very well.
Nothing will happen at the Horgan’s Quay site for at least another 5-6 years. Thats the way CIE want it and thats what we’re stuck with.
Re. Docklands development, there is a beautiful building fronting the west bank of the river (i think its the odlums building) this has to be kept in any re-invention of the docklands. It looks perfect for a public building along the lines of the Tate Gallery in London.
As far as i’m concerned, the rest of the Docklands is a blank canvas, We need something like the Dublin Docklands Committee to get the thing going though.
We’ve got to watch out for th emistakes though– remember that thing proposed for Water Street awhile back— no problem with the height, no problem with the density, but god help us it was a bit bland and uniform. With the docklands as a blank canvas, Cork people expect a masterpiece, not a collection of useless scribbles.Radioactiveman!!!
Just as we don’t end up with the IFSC mk 2.
As far as i’m concerned, the rest of the Docklands is a blank canvas, We need something like the Dublin Docklands Committee to get the thing going though.
Radioactiveman wrote:It is an essential public service which should remainn where 90% of the users actually requested it stay. QUOTE]Fair enough. I actually dont recall the public survey where the people of Cork were asked their opinion by CIE. My point is that if there were shuttle buses departing the city centre regularly, then it wouldnt matter if the bus station was in horgans quay. The entire transport for the city should be there, you should be able to get off a train in Cork and immediately step onto a bus to East or west cork or the airport or city centre with an integrated ticket system. It’s CIE missing out on the small but obvious things like being able to get a single intercity ticket for slightly over half the price of a return ticket, not the same price as a full. CIE is a shambles.
The infamous “90% want the station to stay” remark was PR bull spouted by CIE and further communicated by local rag Evening Echo and was in relation to the long planned movement of the bus terminal to the Eglinton An Post site, and was used as a get out of jail card for the pathetic “redevelopment” in the current location. Safe to say a “TV3 goes to Moore St” style poll was used. The An Post site made perfect sense in the long term.
I’m quite glad they didn’t go to the An Post site. It’s not close to the centre. It doesn’t integrate with the rail network either.
Plus, the plans for the An Post site are now some of the most interesting in Cork.
@jungle wrote:
the plans for the An Post site are now some of the most interesting in Cork.
spot on there jungle, the An post site would have been mental. If they do that tower right and previous pictures of the plans on this site look like they might, I think it will be brilliant to have that size of a tower there.
Chack out the advert in the sports section of todays examiner re. upgraded Bus Station.
Excess of 90% wanted it to stay at Parnell Place. Also, this is the view of European transport ministers.The argument for moving to Horgan’s Quay goes something like this:
People arrive in Cork by train, they should be able to get bus to west cork, etc. on site. Fair enough… BUT,
What about people who arrive in Cork by plane, should we therefore move the station to the airport?
What about people who arrive in Cork by Bus? Sure 5% might want to get a train to Cobh, Mallow, etc., but the majority surely either wish to stay in the City or travel on by Bus, so there is nothing to be gained from moving to Horgan’s Quay.
A simple shuttle bus service between Parnell Place and Kent Station will provide for the small amount of people who wish to make a train/bus transition. There is simply no, logical motive for moving the train station and Bus station together.
Let that be the end of it! 🙂Radioactiveman, at the risk of sounding pedantic, I dont for a second believe that 90% statistic . And why in gods name would European transport ministers care a jot about our bus station?? presumably they have more to worry about.
alright , it is indeed the end of this argument, you have just stated and repeated my ORIGINAL point that there be SHUTTLE BUSES to the city centre if the bus station were to be located in some place like Horgans Quay. The bus station should be in a central point in the city with integrated transport services around it i.e. that the train/bus station should be located TOGETHER.
For people who get to Cork by plane, there should be a regular SHUTTLE BUS to the city centre where they could get other trains/buses.
At the end of the day, this argument is irrelevant as your point that CIE will muck around and do precisely nothing with Horgans Quay is fair. Cork is treated like dirt by Dublin cue Martin Cullens recent confirmation that after spending €140m on corks new airport terminal, the cost over runs were so much that there will now be NO air bridges i.e. the terminal will be nice but you will still have to walk out into the lashing risking decapitation by an aircraft propellor. Unbelieavable.:p
“There is simply no, logical motive for moving the train station and Bus station together.”
what an amazing statement – so – there is no logic in having a public transport interchange that cobmines rail and bus on the city’s largets opportunity site in a docklands location?? – because bus eireann have stated that 95% of passengers preferred is to stay as it is – that is absolute rubbish – integrated networks within a city centre site (horgans quay) is the optimum scenario for public transport in the city – not a fragmented, second class system where bus and rail systems have no interaction – the shuttle service idea is purely unecessary – the real distance bw the bus and rail station equates toa 5 minute walk! its a bit sad today to see bus eireaan boasting about the half assed effort they have made – and quote european transport ministers as if they even know where cork’s bus station is – the reality is is that horgans quay is city centre, is strategically positioned in terms of the road and rail and bus network, the associated development potential would have paid for a new terminus and it would have been well connected to existing city centre and the future docklands – we really shouldnt accept bus erireann’s warped logic and their emabarassing effort to use a covert public consultation excersise to justify their lack of ambition.
This argument is getting a little boring so, we’ll have to agree to disagree for the sake of people who dont give a damn about the bus station.
For the record… Horgan’s Quay ain’t City Centre. Maybe in 10/15 years time when Horgans Quay site and Docklands is up and running, then it could be described as city centre.
Maybe this will all work out brilliantly. Maybe by spending a paltry amount on the recent refurbishment, they’ll be able to move the station to Horgans quay in a few decades when it actually becomes beneficial to do so.
Maybe CIE are geniuses………. although, then again, no.The An Post site would have been perfect for inter urban bus routes – with ease most routes would bypass the congestion of the centre make efficient use of the link roads. As opposed to at present where e.g. a bus has to battle through the quays, patrick st, western rd to get to ballincollig/macroom/killarney/tralee. Bear in mind the site was chosen for the LONG TERM. There is plenty of scope for “O’Flynn-esque” projects elsewhere near the An Post Site.
A new terminus as part of an inter-connected transport facility may yet be shifted east toward Kennedy Quay, or even Marina Point – utilising a connection between Horgan’s Quay and Kennedy Quay via Water Street Bridge. The existing bus station will serve as an ancillary station and feeder between the docklands and existing city centre through a ‘green route’ which will in the long-run extend to Mahon Point.
However, you’ve all seen CIE’s track record and attitude regarding Cork (a la Bus Station. Horgan’s Quay, Eglinton Street etc). I’m glad OFC are using the An Post site, CIE pretty much stated they had no interest in the CCC plans for a new terminus at that location – we could have been waiting years to see any movement there and in the process held up the whole docklands redevelopment even further. CCC didn’t take up the challenege either.
ok radioactiveman, CIE are throwing up the negative vibes.
Lets go back to the original discussion about corks buildings. I am curious, is the Glucksman totally over rated or is it just my tastes. I definetely appreciate the gallery part, its just the structure. Now bear in mind, i havent been there yet so I will take a closer look and be open to revising my opinion.
As i said before, i was totally against the Gluksman when it was first proposed simply because i saw it as overdevelopment of UCC’s exquisite lower grounds.
However, every time i look at the finished article i realise how wrong i was. This is without doubt, a perfect building. I honesty cannot find anything wrong with it. The heights are dictated by the mature surrounding trees. The material, though modern, fit perfectly with its riverside location.
The building itself is fantastic.
The only problem i have is with what is inside it. Seems like an awful lot of money to spend for a college that is cutting services to students and postgrads by the day!
Also, if the aim of the gallery is to ‘bring’ art to the unclean masses of cork city, i have to say the cofee shop didnt quite get the memo. It’s about 1 million euro for a cup of coffee and you have to wait to be seated!! Talk about up their own arses, go over to the student centre and get a cup of tea and choclate muffin…then u can admire the Glucksman out the window.Radioactiveman!!!
have to agree wit u on both of your points Radioactiveman. I can’t find anything to complain about the building, but it is the lights on the walkway along the lower grounds which I am most impressed at. They flood the pathway with a white flouresent light, and they open up the path and make u want to go down and follow it. ALthough it has problems with security and muggings in this locations the installation of security cameras in this location should help to alleviate this. ( although I don’t think CCTV is a replacement for natural surveillance i.e. real people etc, there is no other choice for the area which doesn’t have any natural surveilance features) It is the view of this pathway from the western rd. that I feel gives the best impression of the project. Some people may not like the image which these lights create but they look to me like an runway for a spacecraft. Its reminds me of the stylistic features of such classic films as 2001 and clockwork orange. I don’t know maybe I’m mad but its definately the illumination of the walkway that I find the best part of the project
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