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@jdivision wrote:
Would question the commercial viability of them but would like to see that, would also like to see some apartments in there to ensure animation throughout the week
I think this is one site where we dont need a commercial investment. Let the public sector put their hands in their pockets and achieve something which is driven purely by civic pride.
@Dieter wrote:
I think this is one site where we dont need a commercial investment. Let the public sector put their hands in their pockets and achieve something which is driven purely by civic pride.
🙂 Absolutely right Dieter.
:rolleyes: CCC would be VERY slow to CPO this site or impose the conditions of the Derelict Site Act. with councilors fighting the POC corner and being members of the Port Board.
However if they did their homework they would realize that the POC can force the Cork Bonded Warehouses Co. (the tenants) to restore the building at no cost to the city or the POC under the dilapidation schedule contained in the lease.
It really is a bit “rich†for the POC to come into the City Council Chamber with their begging bowl to get the taxpayer to foot their move to the lower harbour when they allow a jewel of our city to fall into the state of the Custom House Quay site.:mad: 😡I thought this link might be of interest to some users of archiseek. Lexington mentioned a Local Area Plan for the South of the Docklands, which I have posted a link to, but there is also loads of other information on the rest of the web page to have a look at.
😡 ABP have kicked to touch on the Water Street (Wendera ??) development yet again.
This whole planning application is turning into a complete farce.
If one of the Cork mafia had lodged those plans would the delay be as drawn out?:o@kite wrote:
😡 ABP have kicked to touch on the Water Street (Werdna) development yet again.
My understanding is that ABP have called for a 2nd oral hearing for which you would imagine the 17 storey eglinton st tower that was granted now is precedent so ABP can hardly object too much any more?
DCC sale could boost buying power
Monday, 12 February 2007 17:55
NCB analyst John Sheehan says any sale of DCC’s 49% in homebuilder Manor Park would provide it with the scope to ‘dramatically step up’ acquisition activity or return cash to shareholders.On Friday, DCC said it had sold a site in Sandyford for €40m as part of its strategy of generating shareholder value from its property assets ‘including its 49% stake in Manor Park Homebuilders’. Weekend press reports suggested DCC and 51% owner Joe Moran had reached agreement on how to proceed on the company’s future.
In a note this morning, Mr Sheehan described Manor Park as ‘an extremely valuable asset’, which accounts for the bulk of the €350m in property assets held by DCC. ‘Manor Park has a large land bank and significant commercial and residential development potential over the medium term,’ the analyst added.
AdvertisementDCC shares jumped 50 cent to close at €26.70 in Dublin.
Will one of the Cork developers snap the site up like was done with South Wharf?
Manor Park Homebuilders for sale
Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:14
It has been confirmed this afternoon that 100% of Manor Park Homebuilders, owned jointly by DCC and businessman Joe Moran, is for sale.DCC has a 49% shareholding in the Dublin building firm, while founder Joe Moran owns 51%.
The owners have appointed Goodbody Corporate Finance and IBI Corporate Finance to carry out the formal sale process.
AdvertisementIn a statement today DCC said: ‘DCC will sell its shareholding if a price is offered which, in the opinion of the Board of DCC, is in the best interests of DCC shareholders. A further announcement will be made in due course.’
Reports have valued Manor Park’s land banks at €750m.
Recently filed accounts for the company show turnover increased to €148.2m in the year to the end of March 2006, from €117.8m the previous year.
Pretax profits rose more than 67% to €61.1m.
This effectively puts very high profile sites like the Kent Station redevelopment and the DeBlacham & Meaghar scheme on Dublin’s Thomas Street on the market; one wonders will one of the larger Cork developers buy in or will the project at Kent evaporate.
PVC King wrote:This effectively puts very high profile sites like the Kent Station redevelopment and the DeBlacham & Meaghar scheme on Dublin’s Thomas Street on the market]Interesting. Good point, I wonder how that will affect the 276 apts at Kent station and more importantly the train station (as promised by M Cullen in Jan 2005). DCC must have been anxious then to get CIE tied in to the contract for Kent redevelopment so it would become part of their selling points. – on the flip side hte Manor PArk entity is also tied in to developing Kent Station for CIE but then again we dont know the contract terms i.e. how bound they are to do it. Might have been conditional on Manor Park getting permission for the 276 apts, and with 32 objections currently, we might be waiting.
Optimistic view – one single company swoops for all of Manor Park and in a fit of civic PR, redevelops the station properly.
lexington wrote:This post will be broken into 3 sections detailling some recent and not so recent progressions associated with the Cork Docklands Redevelopment.Section One: The Maxol Group entice prospective Docklands developers with Site Sale!
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Section One: The Maxol Group entice prospective Docklands developers with Site Sale!😮 The Maxol Group, the Irish oil company owned by the McMullan family, have instructed agents CB Richard Ellis to offer their prime 0.3 acre docklands site bordered by the junctions of Centre Park Road, Victoria Road and Monahan’s Road for sale. The site, which is zoned for Mixed-Use Development, stands and the gateway to the docklands proper and offers a fantastic opportunity to provide a building of prominence and stature which marks the entrance to Cork’s South Docklands area. The closing date for Tenders is July 7th 2006, unless previously sold. The prospect of a striking landmark building is available to the successful bidder who may, subject to planning discussions, even avail of a slender, glazed tower element on the north-eastern corner of the site rising up to as much as 10-storeys (with the remainder of the development subject to the guideline height of 6-storeys). Justification for such a privision may be based on the site landmark/gateway location – subject to a strong design standard and planning discussions. However the Maxol site is also well positioned to form an important piece of a possible site assembly which may include the Shell Petrol Station to the south, yard to the west and warehousing again to the south – offering full sweep of this corner, gateway junction of Centre Park and Monahan Roads………………………………………………………
Kite 15th Feb.2007
😎 Given City Manager, Joe Gavin’s reasonable ambition and commitment to kickstart the Cork Docklands redevelopment it will be interesting to see what view the city planners take of a planning application due to be lodged within days.
😮 Northgate Van Hire, are to apply for the construction of a storage building and use of site as a van hire depot for the former Maxol storage facility, Centre Park Road for a temporary period of 3 years.
Such a low value use of a Docklands site, even on a temporary basis would do little to encourage potential or existing stakeholders.That would send out all the wrong signals.
If CCC approve this it could provide ammunition to those who call for the establishment of an independent Cork Docklands Development Authority as it is clear that temporary uses in such a gateway site don’t stack up and will hardly sway the owners of neighbouring sites who are considering development.
kite wrote:😮 Tensions have arisen since Christmas between city management and major stakeholders in the docklands area due to the complete lack of movement there over the past years.
Stakeholders have gone over the heads of city management in recent weeks with approaches to Government members to have the development in the area fast tracked, this along with discontented rumblings in the local press has forced city management to assure stakeholders that “when� the CPO is confirmed on the Showgrounds the city will be in a position to plough ahead with this jewel in Cork’s crown.
City Hall are desperate to ensure that the planning of the docklands does not fall out of their control.
QUOTE] 30/1/07🙂 Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern is to announce tonight in the Rochestown Park Hotel that Cork Docklands redevelopment is to be elevated to a “National Project” status.
A national steering forum is to be set up to kickstart the 2 billion development of the area.
Hopefully after 7 years of inaction by Cork City Councillors things will finally happen in the docklands.@kite wrote:
🙂 Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern is to announce tonight in the Rochestown Park Hotel that Cork Docklands redevelopment is to be elevated to a “National Project” status.
A national steering forum is to be set up to kickstart the 2 billion development of the area.
Hopefully after 7 years of inaction by Cork City Councillors things will finally happen in the docklands.
1. Cork docklands is now a National Project Status – firstly, so what. Secondly, why did it take so long to do something about it.
2. A national steering forum is to be set up. I thought we already had a Cork Docklands project team.
I’ll believe it when it happens.
Paul Clerkin wrote:Takes Dublin to sort Cork out doesn’t it ]At least somebody is willing to try and start the Docklands redevelopment in Cork.
Hats off to Joe Gavin, he tried and tried over the past 6 years to drag the Cork mafia and indifferent councilors to a point where we could get moving on the project but with little success.
😎 The major stakeholders in the area were right to go over Cork’s head and appeal to central Government, BEFORE it’s too late.ps. any chance of a few bob from Dublin towards the new consultants being hired by the CAA to see how they could loose more than the 5.8 million they lost in 2006??:eek:
@Pug wrote:
1. Cork docklands is now a National Project Status – firstly, so what. Secondly, why did it take so long to do something about it.
2. A national steering forum is to be set up. I thought we already had a Cork Docklands project team.
I’ll believe it when it happens.
On (1) It took so long because some in Government thought that Cork Councillors and officials could handle the project ( now they realise that they were wrong)
(2) Cork has a docklands project team, they travel the globe each year to look at best practice in foregin designs (they are experts in 5 star hotels if nothing else)
Quote, “I’ll believe it when it happens” I share your concerns:o
It takes money to sort Dublin out
As it would with any project the scale of cork dockands
And the purse is not kept down south:rolleyes:
Just a lot of false promises, but no infrustucture to facilitate development.
Its just a spade for cork and we dig and fall behind:(Cork only has itself to blame. No point in pointing the finger at everyone else and blaming them for our multiple cock-ups and our associated chip on the shoulder. We have a city and county council that is nothing more than a talking shop and we elect TDs who tend to disappoint. Who is to blame for that? Surely not Dublin!
@corcaighboy wrote:
Cork only has itself to blame. No point in pointing the finger at everyone else and blaming them for our multiple cock-ups and our associated chip on the shoulder. We have a city and county council that is nothing more than a talking shop and we elect TDs who tend to disappoint. Who is to blame for that? Surely not Dublin!
I wouldn’t agree entirely but certainly the standard of Cork TD is shocking. Of the 10 city TDs, I’d only rate Dan Boyle and Michael Martin as national politicians – and only one of them seems to be performing. The others make me cringe when I hear them in the Dail. They can’t be the best advocates for Cork save for getting that troublesome fence at no. 57 fixed. Of the other city candidates this time out, you could possibly add Deirdre Clune and Michael McGrath (of the candidates I know of) as being at least half impressive.
If only we had more decent TDs we’d probably have a lot more seats at cabinet which in turn would help prevent Cork from being being urinated upon from on high as Cork has been for the last 10 yrs.
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