cork docklands
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The location is good being close to rail and road links. The site doesn’t have the problems with lack of public transport access that some do; nor is it too far removed from the national road network (i.e. not the nightmare of snarl-ups in Ballintemple if they used the site near Pairc Ui Chaoimh).
Two acres sounds a little small to me. Fine for gigs and the like, but it won’t be attracting in significant international trade shows etc. at that size.
Where exactly is the site? And do we lose any significant buildings if it gets developed?
@jungle wrote:
Where exactly is the site? And do we lose any significant buildings if it gets developed?
The site is between the Sextant pub and the Idle Hour pub on Albert Quay. You could say it is two blocks down river from City Hall.
There are two stone work buildings that, according to the artist’s impression, will be retained.Any renders of the O’Callaghan proposal? I’d love to see it. Would be a great location for me (live about 50m away 🙂 ).
If anything is ever to happen in the Docklands, then it’ll probably require the city centre ‘growing’ out to it – such as the Lapp’s Quay development, the Elysian, this proposed event centre (even the refurbishment of the Sextant) – rather than a big development at the other end far from the city, and hoping other developments fill in the gaps. Who’d want to live/work in the docklands as they currently stand?
@who_me wrote:
Any renders of the O’Callaghan proposal? I’d love to see it. Would be a great location for me (live about 50m away 🙂 ).
If anything is ever to happen in the Docklands, then it’ll probably require the city centre ‘growing’ out to it – such as the Lapp’s Quay development, the Elysian, this proposed event centre (even the refurbishment of the Sextant) – rather than a big development at the other end far from the city, and hoping other developments fill in the gaps. Who’d want to live/work in the docklands as they currently stand?
I would agree with you on docklands development, however if the pairc is redeveloped and Blackrock village is done up then it could be a catalyst for further development in the general area.
Welcome to Chinatown!!
http://www.examiner.ie/business/concerns-over-foreign-investment-119946.html
Surely if the NRA are objecting to development on the grounds that the roads can’t handle it, that means it is time to fix the roads! Similar to the objections about the relocation of the port to Ringaskiddy, the road and rail links were too poor. No way can we fix those roads ! haha but lets built an unnecessary Metro for €5bn, wonderful!
I would quite like a Chinatown in Cork, a great bunch of lads.Building a Luas line wouldn’t cost much and given the development densities that would be acheivable in the area even a modest €5,000 per unit developed would meet a very susbstantial amount of the cost and ensure the ridership to make it viable. Cork has a real opportunity with its Docklands in the way that phases 1 and 2 of the IFSC brought a dockland wasteland firmly back in the city centre between 1990 and 2005. You get the feeling the NRA are just beating their drum because the North Ring was shelved; I’m waiting to see them object to the Irish Glass Bottle site in Dublin purely based on the sour grapes of the Eastern being shelved indefinitely. Real opportunity for Cork to grow really significant urban scale over the coming decade.
Unfortunately it seems that the only people who recognise that there is a real opportunity for Cork to develop significantly are Corkonians! In general Dublin seems to be the only place that the governement properly care about.
I wouldn’t say Dublin has got a great deal in terms of transport; there are plenty of roads to Dublin and the M50 but that aside transport infrastructure needs more work; but I would say that with some vision that plans in a phased and intergrated way; that Cork Docklands could be the real urban success story of this decade that delivers an environmentally freindly and sustainable mixed use extension of the City Centre.
@davea wrote:
In general Dublin seems to be the only place that the governement properly care about.
Lol, the government doesn’t care about us. If they did they wouldn’t have waisted €715m on the westlink toll bridge even though it’s construction costs were only a fraction of that.
@who_me wrote:
Any renders of the O’Callaghan proposal? I’d love to see it. Would be a great location for me (live about 50m away 🙂 ).
If anything is ever to happen in the Docklands, then it’ll probably require the city centre ‘growing’ out to it – such as the Lapp’s Quay development, the Elysian, this proposed event centre (even the refurbishment of the Sextant) – rather than a big development at the other end far from the city, and hoping other developments fill in the gaps. Who’d want to live/work in the docklands as they currently stand?
From the Evening Echo Friday 30th Aprill 2010…
Proposed Events Centre
Existing Quay
super, is there any money for this yet? with the slight pick up in the economy recently, I wouldn’t be surprised if the project got some funds by late 2011. Does the planning permission have a short time limit?
I think that a lot could be done with Merchant’s Quay, Patrick’s Quay etc before moving out into the docks. As it stands the whole area is a dump and needs to be redeveloped.
That is where a little carnage helps; clearing a shopping centre in a recession is that much easier. Whilst Merchants Quay could clearly do with a little help from the wrecking ball there is no doubt that if the country is serious about balanced regional development then Cork Docklands stands every chance of being fully redeveloped. Getting a proper public transport master plan in place would be a great start. Back to the carnage 🙁
@green_jesus wrote:
From the Evening Echo Friday 30th Aprill 2010…
Just spotted these now, much appreciated!
Not bad.. would need to see it from other angles though.
At the moment, work seems to be underway in building a second ‘pontoon’ at Custom House Quay, right next to a similar one at Lapp’s Quay. (In the river right across from the proposed event centre above).
Does anyone know anything about it, or the need for it? Is it because the DeValera bridge obstructs traffic (such as the Sea Safari)? Does this mean the Custom House Quay will now be open to the public?
Some info in this thread…
http://www.portofcork.ie/index.cfm/page/newsarchive/id/6
This link should answer the question.
Thanks for the replies!
This pontoon is more prominent than the one on Lapp’s quay (it’s more mid-channel due to leaving space for mooring on the inside), but it’s a great addition to the city. There’s a real buzz around that part of the city centre now.
anyone have any info on developments that have some chance of getting of the the ground in the next 12-18 months in this area such as ocp andersons quay site and albert quay or the two sites across from city quarter?anyone know either what ever happened to treasury holdings plans for a site on patricks quay(next to penrose wharf) or plans for water st next to kent station, that was a bad refusal at the time that could of been a kick start for the docklands. any one hear did anyone bat an eyelid in dublin recently when there was calls for kent station to be finally redeveloped? this really is the project to get the docklands off the ground and im surprised ocp have not been involved in trying to develope the site as he does genuinely seem to have an affection for developing in his home city and the site has massive potential if turned around to face the river to incorperate a station square (as seen in previous plans) and could be the iceing on the cake for him personally when he retires!
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