cork docklands
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agreed I mean people who buy these places have to pay body corporate fees for the rest of there lives….
@nimbus 2008 wrote:
Much lobbying for taxbreaks here which they say are critical to the scheme going ahead.
Can’t see why our tax money should be given to these guys. If the project cannot make it in the market on its merits why should we be giving HH/Alleyquay handouts?
Sure why wouldn’t the taxpayer throw HH a few million towards their docklands development, after all the City Manager proposed to sell historic Albert Quay House (next door to City Hall) to HH for the price of a modest 1 bed apartment i.e. 250,000 euro.
Thankfully Councillors Tim Brosnan, Chris O’Leary, David McCarthy and Jonathan O’Brien were wide awake and put a stop to what would have been yet another fiscal disaster for Cork. HH had to be satisfied with “buying†the site to the rear of said house for a bargain basement price.A little further up the quays and the gateway to the Docklands, we sold Navigation House to OCP at a 4,000,000 discount so that our city officials would have the benefit of car parking. (I bet the car parking element of this deal will materialize, unlike the convention centre in Mahon the city residents were promised when we sold that landbank at a discount in 1998)
Again with Joe Gavin, it is a case of “do as I say, not as I doâ€
:rolleyes:Anyway, I am delighted we can help the major developers of the city; those helicopters don’t run on fresh air you know!!
@murfee wrote:
Dave McCarthy wide awake – now that’s hilarious
He saw it coming and was one of a handfull of Councillors to stop a potential disaster for the city. Fair dues to them.
Incidentally, if you check out the application here, you can see mock-ups of the development from almost every angle imaginable. The towers will make some impression on the city skyline!
Does the HSA submission on the HH application mean it will not be possible for the planners to grant permission?
@Steady wrote:
Does the HSA submission on the HH application mean it will not be possible for the planners to grant permission?
Not at all, EU directives and the Planning and Development Act mean absolutely nothing when it comes to planning in Cork.
Just think of all the lovely development levies the city will receive from such applications?
Why spoil the party on safety matters?@Steady wrote:
Does the HSA submission on the HH application mean it will not be possible for the planners to grant permission?
What did they say?
its usually just an observation to note that its a Seveso site or in the vicinity of one – shouldnt stop it once arrangments are made eventually to sort out those sites – which will need to be done at some stage by City Council
@nimbus 2008 wrote:
What did they say?
The Health and Safety Authority submission states:
“On the basis of the information the Cork City council has supplied to the HSA, and the information obtained from Alleyquay Investments Ltd. the HSA ADVISES AGAINST the grant of planning in the context of major accident hazardâ€
(capital letters as above used in HSA submission)
I think it very unfortunate for Cork City Council that all these Seveso sites appeared in the docklands overnight.
If our city officials and Councillors had advance notice that somebody was going to flytip these Major Hazard sites in the middle of the jewel of Cork’s crown maybe Joe Gavin could have instructed a litter warden to be on the lookout and fine them 125 euro. That would go a long way to pay for the clean up!!
If the contaminated sites were in place for say 30-40 years then our ultra efficient officials and Councillors would of course have begun the decommissioning process 8 years ago when the Cork Docklands project was launched.;)Or maybe it’s the case of nobody foresaw John Gormley as Minister for the Environment!!
@kite wrote:
The Health and Safety Authority submission states:
“On the basis of the information the Cork City council has supplied to the HSA, and the information obtained from Alleyquay Investments Ltd. the HSA ADVISES AGAINST the grant of planning in the context of major accident hazardâ€
(capital letters as above used in HSA submission)
As I understand it this Seveso situation will only really be sorted out once the City (or County?) Council nominates some poor god forsaken place as the future location for Seveso developments. Is this right?
@browser wrote:
As I understand it this Seveso situation will only really be sorted out once the City (or County?) Council nominates some poor god forsaken place as the future location for Seveso developments. Is this right?
Whatever site is going to be declared a Seveso in the future does not remove the very serious headache we now have to sort out.
If our officials and Councillors were to be held personably liable for future loss for granting planning against EU safety directives then this mess would have been sorted out years ago, BUT as always, if the worst happens and there is a liability issue it will be taxpayers money that will be spent / wasted while the decision makers will be spending their salaries / pensions / pay related bonuses on a golf course somewhere (hopefully well away from contaminated lands)@kite wrote:
The Health and Safety Authority submission states:
“On the basis of the information the Cork City council has supplied to the HSA, and the information obtained from Alleyquay Investments Ltd. the HSA ADVISES AGAINST the grant of planning in the context of major accident hazardâ€
(capital letters as above used in HSA submission)
Thanks.
Do we know which of Cork’s Seveso operations would lead the HSA to give that advice for this location?
@lawyer wrote:
I assume it is the Gouldings site and the Irish Shell site that the HSA are concerned about
Thanks lawyer.
Whats the latest update on the Oral Hearings for the Oysterbank development? I have not heard much in over a week. Apart from Capt mc Carthys rebuttal of Tom McSweeneys article in the Echo
doesnt seem to be any really, the Examiner got bored and stopped reporting last week, I thought the cross examining would be worth reporting on but obviously not
Hearing finished now – Port of Cork had some info on their website but obviously its not the most objective view….
if anyone finds any more info, lash it up
@lawyer wrote:
I assume it is the Gouldings site and the Irish Shell site that the HSA are concerned about
Have any of the local papers picked this up? It looks potentially terminal.
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