Convention centre
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ake: could you parse the first picture you posted and tell me exactly what is wrong with it? Looks like a perfectly decent and modulated inner-city residential development to me. If you want to cram everyone in Kowloon-style you’re living on the wrong continent (possibly even universe).
It’s been said numerous times that the design of the National Conference Centre makes reference to the Gasometer.
Is there any truth to this?
The makings of an urban myth there I think!
I’ve no idea how this picture came out, there’s obviously some fool-proof setting on my camera for near dark situations.kinda reminds me of the scene in Star Wars where a load of droids are lined up for selection by Luke Skywalker – all we need is a camp well-spoken 12-15 storey building to the left of R2D2 there and we have it…
The sisk website have recently added a webcam to view the progress of the ncc. Heres the link!! http://www.sisk.ie/sisk/sisk/www/default.asp?magpage=25&id=575§or_id=1&wid=2 Also added a birds eye pic of the site taken from sisks website!!:D
@lostexpectation wrote:
does anybody simple not like it, it looks so awkard
Dont konw yet. I wait until the building is complete before i make judgement!!! :confused::confused:
Well, lostexpectation, we all know where I stand on this monstrocity by now.
“Dont konw yet. I wait until the building is complete before i make judgement!!!”
Ah come on now, its as good as…. sure, that little bit of cladding at the back will make all the difference… or maybe the whole structure at the moment is just temporary hoarding and the real building is inside, and it’s all just a really bad joke… no? too much to ask?
short of a massive localised earthquake that completely demolishes it, I really can’t see anything improving over the next few weeks and months.
Isn’t it surprising that the cylinder isn’t glassed across the top; perhaps the whole cylinder isn’t articulated on the inside. Is the roof going to be used as a function area?
@Satrastar wrote:
It’s been said numerous times that the design of the National Conference Centre makes reference to the Gasometer.
Is there any truth to this?
I think it makes more reference to the Gasholder which used to be sited opposite on Sir John Rogersons Quay more than the Gasometer in googleland (as it’s now know)
@Rory W wrote:
I think it makes more reference to the Gasholder which used to be sited opposite on Sir John Rogersons Quay more than the Gasometer in googleland (as it’s now know)
Aye indeed, and anyone notice too the glass cylinder atop of the building across the river. Although this building was built long before the NCC was even started I’m sure this was a reference to it.
I think any perceived reference to context is coincidental, and highly dubious. Your reading too much into it now. The NCC was designed long before the Scots yoke, and I dare say entirely oblivioius to anything within a 100 mile radius, and while I’m not a Scots fan, riverside 1 is infinitely more sophisticated. I know I sound like a broken record now, and a few people are probably getting a little bit pissed off now, but this thing really is awful…
@spoil_sport wrote:
I think any perceived reference to context is coincidental, and highly dubious. Your reading too much into it now. The NCC was designed long before the Scots yoke, and I dare say entirely oblivioius to anything within a 100 mile radius, and while I’m not a Scots fan, riverside 1 is infinitely more sophisticated. I know I sound like a broken record now, and a few people are probably getting a little bit pissed off now, but this thing really is awful…
I completely respect your opinion as to not liking it but you can’t seriously suggest that an architect of the calibre of Kevin Roche is entirely ignorant of context, both local and from an architectural history standpoint.
Gunter put it better than I could:
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=85757&postcount=89
Yes, I noted gunter’s argumnet, but I think gunter did me a favour by posting those, if you look at it next to the others it is the poor relation, the version of one or the other of the previous that was left on the model shelf never to see the light of day again, the runt of the litter, the one that dosen’t work…
Making such a “reference” is not enough, it lacks the elegance, refinement or sophistication, which the others all have in abundance, the curves on the side elevations, pattern of opes (or lack of pattern), the angle of the drum, the lack of articulation of the drum as notjim pointed out, mean it is not pure enough to be beautiful in a brutalist sense but at the same time, the attempts at refinement, fall flat, and while I no interest in categorisation as “art-deco”, “po-mo” or “modernist”, the overall composition is confused and simply… dumb.
And Kevin Roche despite his “calibre”, after a quick flick through his website, dosen’t really do context, unless you call green field business parks and more corporate america mirror glass facades context; and has done nothing of any real interest since the Ford Foundation HQ in NY…1968, (which I like quiet a lot.). The NCC does not break the trend.@spoil_sport wrote:
And Kevin Roche despite his “calibre”, after a quick flick through his website, dosen’t really do context
ok ok, i know you hate it, but surely key dockland sites such as this, surrounded by little else at the time, represented an opportunity to set a context for the area ? Given that this design has been around for donkeys at this stage, i presume ‘setting the tone’ formed part of his intention.
“key dockland sites such as this, surrounded by little else at the time”
well no, that’s a very narrow view of “context”, the context is Dublin, and Dublin is amongst the richest and most challenging contexts to work with… Roche failed to do this.
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