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  • #746632
    urbanisto
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    Thats interesting Morlan – councillors don’t usually “get” these things.

    He is always welcome to support Dublin Civic Trust which has long advocated for measures to improve our streets.

    #746633
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    un-fucking-believable.

    #746634
    missarchi
    Participant
    #746635
    missarchi
    Participant
    #746636
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Yet another drawn out scheme by DCC Lighting. The majority of the standards are in place but works seems to have stalled for now.

    Perhaps add to a range of other not fully completed lighting schemes about the city:
    -Pearse Street
    -Ringsend/Irishtown Road
    -Dorset Street towards North King Street
    -Drumcondra Road
    -South Quays in Docklands

    #746637
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Sadly a photo and not a scan…

    THE OFFICES OF THE ROYAL EXCHANGE ASSURANCE CORPORATION, DUBLIN.
    T.N. Deane, Architect.
    ‘The Architect’ February 28th, 1880.

    #746638
    exene1
    Participant

    Two views of that building in the street. Not too many pictures of that stretch of Dame Street in the old days.

    #746639
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Lovely prints.

    By contrast with now, where, thanks to DCC’s recent endorsement of the Costa signage mess, Starbucks have just lobbed in an application for additional signage to make themselves more prominent, given their competitor got away with murder. They’ve finally copped that over five years of good behaviour gets you nowhere in Dublin.

    Thanks DCC. Leading the standard as ever.

    #746640
    urbanisto
    Participant

    They seem to want to replace the signage that’s already there…I cant think why. It looks fine.

    #746641
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think DCC should adopt a similar policy to the Shaftsbury Estate on food offer; independent is best but if multiples do get in then they must comply with the same rules as everyone else. Starbucks do not need additional singage at this location; that unit trades very well and they have nothing to fear from Costa.

    #746642
    Peter Fitz
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    Interesting that the city council’s latest vision for the future of our city ‘Your city, Your space’ notes that there has been a ‘proliferation of street furniture, signage and other forms of clutter in recent years’… ‘negatively affecting the visual quality of these spaces’ alongside a commitment to develop a ‘design’ to upgrade College Green & Grafton Street…just weeks after their botched lighting additions to College Green pictured in Graham’s post.

    One arm knows not what the other does.

    In fairness the report does at least go some way to identify the nub of the issue, namely that there is ‘no overarching control mechanism other than a permit system’ for the key players carving up our city spaces – city council, transport agencies, utility companies, state agencies and private developers.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0104/1224309781208.html?via=mr

    #746643
    urbanisto
    Participant

    worthwhile reading it in tandem with other article

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0104/1224309779091.html

    #746646
    missarchi
    Participant

    Is a print run for marching to much to ask for?
    There are only so many years that can tick by….

    #746645
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I see a robust refusal has been issued by Dublin City Council and one of its most informed city centre planners for the retention of the array of distinctly ghastly unauthorised signage erected by the Wax Museum on Foster Place over the past couple of years, including postering in the windows and smothering canvas banners cladding the signature entrance portal columns.

    Such confidence is inspired by the fact that it took only two years for the signage to even enter the planning system, and even more so that three months have already passed since the decision with absolutely no action happening on the ground whatsoever.

    DECISION: REFUSE RETENTION PERMISSION

    Having regard to the protected status of the building and the Conservation Zoning objective of the area, it is considered that the proposed banners, posters, and sign over the main entrance would be injurous to the character of the protected structure and to the adjoining area, a designated Conservation Area in the Dublin City Development Plan 2011-2017, by use of their number, location, size and density. Furthermore the materials for the signage are considered to be of an inferior quality and it is therefore considered would seriously injure the amenity of property in the vicinity and would set a precedent for other similar substandard proposals and as such would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.

    Ends.

    It is also worth quoting the Conservation Officer’s comprehensive assessment of the scheme:

    Conservation: Recommends a refusal:

    “Foster Place is an elegant and architecturally significant enclave dominated by the
    monumental scale and handling of the Bank of Ireland. The importance of the development
    of this cul-de-sac as an extension of College Green and the consistent way in which (the
    original scheme of Daly’s clubhouse) and its flanking buildings relate to and extend the
    vista of College Green’ has been noted by Dr. E. McParland in The Wide Street
    Commissioners; Their importance of Dublin architecture in the late eighteenth century’. The
    dominance of architecturally significant buildings in a relatively small area, together with a
    pleasing streetscape of cobbles and trees create a special character. The scale of
    buildings is four –storeys to the west side and this is matched by a western sweep of Bank
    of Ireland on the east side. Richard Johnston’s late eighteenth century vision for the Dame
    Street and Foster Place facades of Daly’s Club remains in part, although these are
    interrupted buy a modern six-storey building to the corner.

    • For the above reasons this group and its setting on to Foster Place should be
    considered exceptional and of national importance, worthy of careful consideration and
    design intervention
    • The provision of temporary banners which adversely impact on architecturally
    important elements of the frontispiece to Foster Place South is not supported by the
    Conservation Officer. The issue raised by the applied banners is well illustrated by the
    accompanying ‘before and after’ photographs in the report on this application. The applied
    banners overwhelm the building and are considered ‘at odds’ with its architectural
    coherence and significance.
    • The issue of announcing this cultural/tourist venue within the city is understood but
    it needs to be considered within the policies of the Current City Development Plan, the
    initiatives/guidance concerning the quality of materials, well-considered detailed design
    and delivery of the Public Realm and with reference to the ‘Way finding’ study
    commissioned by DCC Planning Department
    • The presentation of the National Library Kildare Street (in the accompanying
    report) is considered by the Conservation Officer as guiding an appropriate solution of
    high quality materials and design which doesn’t overwhelm or diminish the protected
    structure setting
    The provision of temporary banners which adversely impact on architecturally important
    elements of the frontispiece to Foster Place South is not supported by the Conservation
    Officer. The applied banners overwhelm the building and are considered temporary in
    nature and ‘at odds’ with the architectural coherence and significance of the protected
    structure and the architecturally important setting of Foster Place.”

    #746644
    urbanisto
    Participant

    And quite right too…. its amazing the degree to which this institution got to advertise so heavily about the city. I must keep my eyes peeled for finger post signs. Thee were 10s of them at one stage but in fairness to DCC there has been an good followup to remove brown signs now that wayfinder is in place.

    Now whats happening with Abercrombie & Fitch….dead in the water. I would imagine so…retailing is moribund in the city. If it was coming then surely the time is before Christmas.

    And lastly, I know we are all only back from holidays but..bets on how long it will take to complete the lighting scheme and repair the pavement on College Green.

    #746647
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Two weeks to go to St Patrick’s Day and the start of the tourist season and one would expect a bit of a spruce up about town…not here on College Green.

    #746648
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Works stopped in November and have yet to resume.

    #746649
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Abercrombie & Fitch now starting the fitout of their new store on College Green. Due to open for summer I imagine.

    #746650
    thebig C
    Participant

    @StephenC wrote:

    Abercrombie & Fitch now starting the fitout of their new store on College Green. Due to open for summer I imagine.

    I am not sure what to make of that. There are positives and negatives to the retail influx.

    #746651
    missarchi
    Participant

    Seems quite airy fairy… (basically there hands are tied)
    Cant they just make it a national monument? Or get a minister to do something… ala green
    Does not seem like anything going on in the background…

    http://www.dublincity.ie/Planning/Documents/Draft_PRS_291111_web.pdf

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