Clongriffin Station by Iarnród Éireann Architects

@shadow wrote:

22 million……….?

I am astonished

Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to how this cost this much, presumably this includes rail lines and other infrastructural costs..

I read that in the Times on Monday http://bit.ly/b2bIvY…….there is something seriously wrong here. The new Grand Canal Theatre which was a very complex and sophisticated build cost €80million and a merger little Dart station cost €22million!!

Can some one please tell me what I’m missing here?

Perhaps public sector pay can account for the rest?

Seriously though, its hard to see where this could have been spent.

I suppose the fact that it was constructed over the fully operational rail line will have increased costs dramatically but this figure seems massive.

The Phoenix Park rail station cost 7m to construct less then two years ago.

Maybe they included a shed load of access roads, paths and car parks in that figure.

22 millions seems huge though.

@MethylRed wrote:

The Phoenix Park rail station cost 7m to construct less then two years ago.

Maybe they included a shed load of access roads, paths and car parks in that figure.

22 millions seems huge though.

PPR station only has 2 platforms, I think Clongriffin has 4. The extra platform, stairs, lifts would add a bit. It might also include extra signalling equipment as well.

It was paid for by Ballymore and Gannon Homes so one would imagine it included all accessways from the developments as well; add to that operational constraints of having to do much of the work out of hours and it would not be likely tobear relation to building elsewhere. I’d be interested to see the variation in Spons table of costs for rail stations versus say sports pavillions

Nobody has yet come up with how Clongriffin cost €22 million.

I have just checked out the cost of building Adamstown Station which has 4 platforms, all auxiliary facilities including a Park & Ride facilities, came to €12.5 Million in April of 2007 (station costs amounted €10million)

I am completely baffled how Clongriffin costs could be as high as €22million, no matter what auxiliary works you include?? There is a porky being told, why?

Pretty poor effort for 22 million too. Architecturally speaking.

@mp wrote:

Pretty poor effort for 22 million too. Architecturally speaking.

I have yet to see a decent picture of the station. All of the pictures in the media seem to only show small portions.

from the front page of archiseek
http://two.archiseek.com/2010/clongriffin-station-iarnrod-eireann-architects/

@markpb wrote:

PPR station only has 2 platforms, I think Clongriffin has 4. The extra platform, stairs, lifts would add a bit. It might also include extra signalling equipment as well.

The added bit in question is €15m.
Thats more than twice the cost of the new station in Phoenix Park.
Quite a bit for an extra couple of platforms.
I’d love to see a breakdown in the costs involved for both stations.

@Global Citizen wrote:

The added bit in question is €15m.
Thats more than twice the cost of the new station in Phoenix Park.
Quite a bit for an extra couple of platforms.
I’d love to see a breakdown in the costs involved for both stations.

A dog on the street can see there is something wrong with the costs, as I said previously Adamstown Station looks similar in size and has 4 platforms with Park and Ride about 600mts of covered walkway from car-park to station, covered bicycle rack for 100 bikes, Bus stop, Taxi rank ect total cost €12.5million of which 10million was the station.

How the hell could a similar station cost almost twice that 3 and half years later. I welcome seeing a breakdown too.

It seems steep. But it probably includes the cost of the roadway outside which is essentially a bridge, and whatever other civil works were done around it.

Another ludicrous vanity project ? Essentially, a ticket booth and a bus shelter.

does the cost include the 400 space underground park and ride facility?? That’d cost a fair whack. Plus the contracts could have been signed at the height of the madness.

And to call a DART station in a new town that will evetually house 25,000 people a “vanity project” is bloody ridiculous, especially in a forum where everyone is admittedly typing in the dark with no idea of the actual details

For €22 million, and for a designed-from-scratch station, the result is more than just a little chaotic doncha think? My head hurts just looking at this.

Why on earth are the overhead cable gantries not incorporated as part of the overall station design? And throwing a designer curvy roof over the whole lot does not diminish the crude engineering forms of the majority of the station.

It’s a decent effort to the public street, but the part the majority will be standing gawping at for 10-20 minutes every day, the interior platform area – from the photographs at least – seems very poorly expressed. Simplicity and clarity should be the middle name of this project, but it already looks like a 1980s station with two decades of tactless accretions.

white doesn’t age well… track layers get paid 3 times what architects get paid here…

@GrahamH wrote:

For €22 million, and for a designed-from-scratch station, the result is more than just a little chaotic doncha think? My head hurts just looking at this.

Why on earth are the overhead cable gantries not incorporated as part of the overall station design? And throwing a designer curvy roof over the whole lot does not diminish the crude engineering forms of the majority of the station.

It’s a decent effort to the public street, but the part the majority will be standing gawping at for 10-20 minutes every day, the interior platform area – from the photographs at least – seems very poorly expressed. Simplicity and clarity should be the middle name of this project, but it already looks like a 1980s station with two decades of tactless accretions.

Rubbish.
It’s not bad at all. Try to get out more often into the real world.

And just in case you come up with one of your smart alecky ripostes…………..bear in mind that this location is a lawless tribal area Hooliganistan and design has to accomodate this.

If if was designed as one of your fancy prepost modern follys, why the staff alone would trash it before the hooligans even got their spray cans open.

@missarchi wrote:

white doesn’t age well… track layers get paid 3 times what architects get paid here…

The special composite used in the roof actually gets cleaned and becomes more white on interaction with dirt.
Should be OK.

@shytalk wrote:

The special composite used in the roof actually gets cleaned and becomes more white on interaction with dirt.
Should be OK.

:D:D:D No doubt like untreated timber that ages to a lovely ‘silver’ colour over time as some spoofer told me once:p

@shytalk wrote:

The special composite used in the roof actually gets cleaned and becomes more white on interaction with dirt.
Should be OK.

Del Boy would be proud of that comment. :rolleyes:

@shytalk wrote:

Rubbish.
It’s not bad at all. Try to get out more often into the real world.

And just in case you come up with one of your smart alecky ripostes…………..bear in mind that this location is a lawless tribal area Hooliganistan and design has to accomodate this.

If if was designed as one of your fancy prepost modern follys, why the staff alone would trash it before the hooligans even got their spray cans open.

Are you having a laugh? You can call me many things, but smark alek ain’t one of them.

Your petulant response is sadly typical of parts of the architectural profession – little attempt to engage with criticism, just rude diatribe uttered on the offensive.

The central criticism of the above has nothing whatever to do with “fancy prepost modern follys”, rather it’s about clarity of design. This can derive as much from a handful of steel sections bolted together as it can from an effortfully contrived construction composed of multiple materials. Indeed, the former could very satisfyingly have been achieved here purely on a crisply utilitarian basis.

Instead, we have a carefully contrived roof structure and isolated elements of beauty such as the staircases, stranded amidst what looks like (from the photographs) an incoherent scheme that fails to gel its constituent parts. The staircases are wonderfully robust, the roof has substance, even the bridge has a certain strength of character, but all the flimsy bits n bobs confuse matters unduly.

@GrahamH wrote:

Are you having a laugh? You can call me many things, but smark alek ain’t one of them.

Your petulant response is sadly typical of parts of the architectural profession – little attempt to engage with criticism, just rude diatribe uttered on the offensive.

The central criticism of the above has nothing whatever to do with “fancy prepost modern follys”, rather it’s about clarity of design. This can derive as much from a handful of steel sections bolted together as it can from an effortfully contrived construction composed of multiple materials. Indeed, the former could very satisfyingly have been achieved here purely on a crisply utilitarian basis.

Instead, we have a carefully contrived roof structure and isolated elements of beauty such as the staircases, stranded amidst what looks like (from the photographs) an incoherent scheme that fails to gel its constituent parts. The staircases are wonderfully robust, the roof has substance, even the bridge has a certain strength of character, but all the flimsy bits n bobs confuse matters unduly.

Don’t tempt me.

btw, hotchpotch is the new black. Or white in this case…………………..

I must remember that.

@GrahamH wrote:

Instead, we have a carefully contrived roof structure and isolated elements of beauty such as the staircases, stranded amidst what looks like (from the photographs) an incoherent scheme that fails to gel its constituent parts. The staircases are wonderfully robust, the roof has substance, even the bridge has a certain strength of character, but all the flimsy bits n bobs confuse matters unduly.

The staircases I don’t like. I think the finish is good, but the form puts me in mind of an M C Escher drawing. I googled to see if I could find the one I was thinking of, but I think it’s a composite image in my head.

Is this the new thing now, you’re only allowed have 6 steps before you have a landing? Will we never again get a decent flight of stairs that goes all the way to the top? And yes, I realise I sound like a Daily Mail reader whining about elf n safety gone mad.

I actually attempted to become a track layer/signaler but to no avail.
All i’m saying is my experience of I think it was booterstown station was one of broken scratched glass. It felt more like being in a shooting range than a station.
I do like the finish on the U frame supporting the cables.
Now I think of it, it reminds me of lords.
Is the white steel galv. or stainless?

@shytalk wrote:

And just in case you come up with one of your smart alecky ripostes…………..bear in mind that this location is a lawless tribal area Hooliganistan and design has to accomodate this.

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Are you for real? This is not Kilbarrick it is the fulcrum between two brand new almost exclusively private housing schemes that were far from cheap thus leveraging the true meaning of the word exclusive; i.e. keeping the Hooligans you refer to out by virtue of entry cost. This post reminds me of those idiots in Beechwood Ave D6 who claimed Luas would lead to their homes being burgled regularly.

Not a QS so I have no idea on cost but it looks better than what Network Rail would do anywhere other than an important railhead such as St Pancras or Paddington which I can’t wait to see finished later this year.

@PVC King wrote:

Are you for real? This is not Kilbarrick

You are both as bad as each other. Kilbarrick is no longer a film set for The Snapper you know.

@MethylRed wrote:

You are both as bad as each other. Kilbarrick is no longer a film set for The Snapper you know.

Ah jaysus. Southsiders and their spelling….
I presume you all are referring to “Kilbarrack” .
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Well if Irish Rail built a connection to the airport on the most logical route; we Southsiders may actually have a reason to be able to spell it!

That said I now live North of a different river

Posh an’ all as Clongriffin is…..it’s a mere knive’s throw from Darndale. They wanted to do the ‘Snapper’ there but the gear was nicked.
The great thing with the new station is the spacious foyer.
Negative equity nobs from the flats will be able to beg there out of the rain.

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=clongriffen&countryCode=IE#map=53.3995,-6.18891|14|4&bd=useful_information&loc=IE:53.39948:-6.18886:14|darndale|Darndale

Its more than 2kms to Darndale; if there are issues of anti-social behaviour then CCTV should be deployed.

Why are these offensive, prejudiced rants allowed on what’s meant to be a forum about architecture?

Exactly.

@AndrewP wrote:

Why are these offensive, prejudiced rants allowed on what’s meant to be a forum about architecture?

Yes, you are right. A forum primarily dedicated to architecture should not be misused in order to promote the common perception that southside-based Dubliners do not have the basic intelligence to spell properly.
They really should DO (edit) something about it.
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@Tayto wrote:

They really should something about it.
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Eh.. Wha ?

Interesting lights outside the entrance. Very retro ray-gun style.

Maybe they were fans of Blake 7.

😀

Prejudiced rants on a message board, your holiness?

The whooole world’s gone mad!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Tayto wrote:

They really should something about it.

@Global Citizen wrote:

Eh.. Wha ?

Aha!! An eagle-eyed do-do spotter has spotted the missing “do”.
Doh!
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fuller had some wacky ideas the roof is light on…

@Tayto wrote:

Yes, you are right. A forum primarily dedicated to architecture should not be misused in order to promote the common perception that southside-based Dubliners do not have the basic intelligence to spell properly.
They really should DO (edit) something about it.
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Do you real think it is such important settlement as to be recognised in spell check?

@PVC King wrote:

Do you real think it is such important settlement as to be recognised in spell check?

Sorry, I don’t quite understand the question.
You’ll have to spell it out for me.

Are you referring to Kilbarrack as an unimportant settlement?

I use spell check to edit; I assume most people do.

Wrong assumption; spellchecks often get it wrong (or their grammar or syntax is naff). Best spellcheck is the ocular one; problem is, you have to be able to spell…