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    • #708049
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Readings from a new book by Frank MacDonald and James Nix that examines how Ireland is developing against the background of rapid economic expansion, and raises issues about what kind of country we will leave to future generations. It’s your country: find out where it’s headed.

      THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 8TH
      6pm, 15 St Stephen’s Green

      Tickets are available free online NOW at:
      http://www.thedubliner.ie/template.php?ID=135&PageName=oldcity

    • #760334
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Got my tickets,

      Thanks Valerie

      Thanks Paul

    • #760335
      Anonymous
      Participant

      K.O. This evening 630

    • #760336
      ctesiphon
      Participant

      TP- the website says 6pm- has it been put back or was the original a mistake?
      Thanks.

    • #760337
      GrahamH
      Participant

      An enjoyable and insightful night – the ‘usual crowd’ gathered πŸ™‚
      A great pity it didn’t go on for longer – I think most people were surprised at how short the Chaos debate was.

      McDonald’s and Nix’s upcoming publication seems to be the tin opener for another can of worms, which hopefully will spark media and wider public interest.
      The utter frustration of the two speakers was surprisingly evident at times for experienced-in-their-fields people – McDonald shaking his head in his hands quite a few times at points being made πŸ™‚

      Debates like this are crucial in raising planning in the public’s consciousness, which is why it was a pity it was limited in scope and time – the very elements that ought to have set the event apart from television and radio debate.

      Excellently produced though in one of the stunningly restored ‘Pink Pair’ on the Green (and what a fantastic opportunity to have a good nose about :D). The crown glass shimmering in the sashes behind the stage was quite a distraction πŸ™‚

    • #760338
      Anonymous
      Participant

      What they needed was Seamus Caufield of IRDA and Neil Callanan of the SBP to really stir it up. It sounds like this years must have publication but I couldn’t help feeling they were talking to the converted.

    • #760339
      GrahamH
      Participant

      Most definitely – something of a scoffing session πŸ™‚

    • #760340
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Which is not really what they wanted both can really justify their arguments; I got the impression that they wanted a good opportunity to have their theories tested.

      The one on the Abbey was similar; Dunphy did his best but no-one would disagree with Ulick O’Connor who was a revelation.

      I will be one of the first in the line at the signing; this will not be a Construction or a Saving this will be a full blown Destruction me thinks

    • #760341
      GrahamH
      Participant

      Indeed – though as rightly pointed out by someone down the back, of greater importance are the solutions offered to the mess we’re in; real, viable alternatives.

      Saying that, these ‘alternatives’ have been playing out in other countries for the past 30 years, so it really is the ‘blockage’ as was mentioned so often tonight of so-called PR in this country that is the problem. As it is we’re going to have difficulty resolving the mess already created, whatever about changing the mindset of policy-makers.

      Ulick O’Conner is one of the most eloquent speakers on this island, he was fantastic. You could listen to him for hours.

    • #760342
      Anonymous
      Participant

      A read of the press release section on http://www.environ.ie in relation to announcements versus delivery really is depressing

    • #760343
      t.scott
      Participant

      Is that the title of the book, chaos at the crossroads, and when is it expected to be released!!?!! any and all info greatly appreciated.

    • #760344
      hutton
      Participant

      @t.scott wrote:

      Is that the title of the book, chaos at the crossroads, and when is it expected to be released!!?!! any and all info greatly appreciated.

      The title is indeed Chaos at the Crossroads. Expect it out for Christmas; a little birdy mentioned to me that it is being published by Bandon in Cork, so perhaps a quick call thru may secure you one of the 1st copies – and/ or if youre feeling really cheeky, you might be able to find out from them details as to the launch night :p Hope this is of help –

      H

    • #760345
      vinnyfitz
      Participant

      In the course of his remarks Frank said “it will be published next month (October) – I don’t know when next month though”.

      Good title huh?

    • #760346
      JPD
      Participant

      @vinnyfitz wrote:

      In the course of his remarks Frank said “it will be published next month (October) – I don’t know when next month though”.

      Good title huh?

      Well if u concrete all the hillsides, the chaos will be at the crossroads

    • #760347
      Devin
      Participant

      [align=center:gp9yoql3]CHAOS
      AT THE CROSSROADS

      Frank McDonald + James Nix

      Thursday 24 November 2005, at Civic Offices, Wood Quay, 5.30-8pm

      Introductory words by John Fitzgerald, Dublin City Manager

      The book will be launched by Kevin Murphy,
      former Ombudsman and Information Commissioner[/align:gp9yoql3]

    • #760348
      urbanisto
      Participant

      Aaah! I was wondering what happened to this book. I asked recently at Waterstones but they said it had yet to be published. Well for Frank and James getting such a high-profile launch. Fererro Roche anyone?!

    • #760349
      dc3
      Participant

      “at Civic Offices, Wood Quay”
      “Introductory words by …., Dublin City Manager”

      Well who would have believed it?

    • #760350
      anto
      Participant

      I hear Jackie Healy Rae is invited too!

    • #760351
      hutton
      Participant

      Ah twas such a shame – no sign of Jackie Healy Rae, though there is a nice pic of him & his offspring in the book… πŸ˜€

      @ 400 pages long I suspect that Chaos will keep some contributers off the discussion boards here for a little bit… Frank seems to be back on track – the efforts by him & James Nix have produced a publication that would appear on first inspection to rank alonside Destruction of Dublin ( which in my own opinion was far finer than “Construction”) .

      A polemic work – well done to Fmc & JN!

    • #760352
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Who are the publishers?

    • #760353
      Devin
      Participant

      Gandon Books.

      Hutton, I wouldn’t say myself that Destruction was ‘better’ than Construction, or vice versa – I don’t think there’s any comparison in so far as they were both products of a very different time.

      The new book seems to be powerfully conveying the lunacy of the policies the goverment has been following in almost every aspect of planning, development and the environment. It pretty much shows what will happen if there is no change and we keep doing the things we’ve been doing (i.e. there has to be change).

      James Nix speaking at the launch, with Frank and the Dublin City Manager (left) in the background:

    • #760354
      anto
      Participant

      do they offer an alternative vision IN THE BOOK?

    • #760355
      Devin
      Participant

      Yes – the improvement of urban areas – the last chapter deals with it.

    • #760356
      GrahamH
      Participant

      Frank and James were promoting the book with Pat on the radio this morning – as predictable as clockwork πŸ™‚
      19 minutes long, it can be heard here if you scroll to 24.06:

      http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/Tue/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil
      (RealPlayer needed)

    • #760357
      missarchi
      Participant

      Im half way threw this but construction of dublin is more interesting

    • #760358
      jackscout
      Participant

      @missarchi wrote:

      Im half way threw this but construction of dublin is more interesting

      Although is does demonstrate how little “real” progress had been made in the intervening years….

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