Chaos at the Crossroads
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August 18, 2005 at 6:08 pm #708049
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterReadings from a new book by Frank MacDonald and James Nix that examines how Ireland is developing against the background of rapid economic expansion, and raises issues about what kind of country we will leave to future generations. It’s your country: find out where it’s headed.
THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 8TH
6pm, 15 St Stephen’s GreenTickets are available free online NOW at:
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August 19, 2005 at 7:22 pm #760334
Anonymous
InactiveGot my tickets,
Thanks Valerie
Thanks Paul
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September 8, 2005 at 4:46 pm #760335
Anonymous
InactiveK.O. This evening 630
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September 8, 2005 at 4:50 pm #760336
ctesiphon
ParticipantTP- the website says 6pm- has it been put back or was the original a mistake?
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September 9, 2005 at 1:48 am #760337
GrahamH
ParticipantAn enjoyable and insightful night – the ‘usual crowd’ gathered 🙂
A great pity it didn’t go on for longer – I think most people were surprised at how short the Chaos debate was.McDonald’s and Nix’s upcoming publication seems to be the tin opener for another can of worms, which hopefully will spark media and wider public interest.
The utter frustration of the two speakers was surprisingly evident at times for experienced-in-their-fields people – McDonald shaking his head in his hands quite a few times at points being made 🙂Debates like this are crucial in raising planning in the public’s consciousness, which is why it was a pity it was limited in scope and time – the very elements that ought to have set the event apart from television and radio debate.
Excellently produced though in one of the stunningly restored ‘Pink Pair’ on the Green (and what a fantastic opportunity to have a good nose about :D). The crown glass shimmering in the sashes behind the stage was quite a distraction 🙂
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September 9, 2005 at 2:16 am #760338
Anonymous
InactiveWhat they needed was Seamus Caufield of IRDA and Neil Callanan of the SBP to really stir it up. It sounds like this years must have publication but I couldn’t help feeling they were talking to the converted.
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September 9, 2005 at 2:25 am #760339
GrahamH
ParticipantMost definitely – something of a scoffing session 🙂
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September 9, 2005 at 2:31 am #760340
Anonymous
InactiveWhich is not really what they wanted both can really justify their arguments; I got the impression that they wanted a good opportunity to have their theories tested.
The one on the Abbey was similar; Dunphy did his best but no-one would disagree with Ulick O’Connor who was a revelation.
I will be one of the first in the line at the signing; this will not be a Construction or a Saving this will be a full blown Destruction me thinks
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September 9, 2005 at 2:37 am #760341
GrahamH
ParticipantIndeed – though as rightly pointed out by someone down the back, of greater importance are the solutions offered to the mess we’re in; real, viable alternatives.
Saying that, these ‘alternatives’ have been playing out in other countries for the past 30 years, so it really is the ‘blockage’ as was mentioned so often tonight of so-called PR in this country that is the problem. As it is we’re going to have difficulty resolving the mess already created, whatever about changing the mindset of policy-makers.
Ulick O’Conner is one of the most eloquent speakers on this island, he was fantastic. You could listen to him for hours.
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September 9, 2005 at 2:38 am #760342
Anonymous
InactiveA read of the press release section on http://www.environ.ie in relation to announcements versus delivery really is depressing
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September 10, 2005 at 12:44 am #760343
t.scott
ParticipantIs that the title of the book, chaos at the crossroads, and when is it expected to be released!!?!! any and all info greatly appreciated.
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September 10, 2005 at 1:58 pm #760344
hutton
Participant@t.scott wrote:
Is that the title of the book, chaos at the crossroads, and when is it expected to be released!!?!! any and all info greatly appreciated.
The title is indeed Chaos at the Crossroads. Expect it out for Christmas; a little birdy mentioned to me that it is being published by Bandon in Cork, so perhaps a quick call thru may secure you one of the 1st copies – and/ or if youre feeling really cheeky, you might be able to find out from them details as to the launch night :p Hope this is of help –
H
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September 11, 2005 at 12:58 pm #760345
vinnyfitz
ParticipantIn the course of his remarks Frank said “it will be published next month (October) – I don’t know when next month though”.
Good title huh?
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September 12, 2005 at 3:37 am #760346
JPD
Participant@vinnyfitz wrote:
In the course of his remarks Frank said “it will be published next month (October) – I don’t know when next month though”.
Good title huh?
Well if u concrete all the hillsides, the chaos will be at the crossroads
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November 22, 2005 at 8:56 pm #760347
Devin
Participant[align=center:gp9yoql3]CHAOS
AT THE CROSSROADSFrank McDonald + James Nix
Thursday 24 November 2005, at Civic Offices, Wood Quay, 5.30-8pm
Introductory words by John Fitzgerald, Dublin City Manager
The book will be launched by Kevin Murphy,
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November 23, 2005 at 3:35 pm #760348
urbanisto
ParticipantAaah! I was wondering what happened to this book. I asked recently at Waterstones but they said it had yet to be published. Well for Frank and James getting such a high-profile launch. Fererro Roche anyone?!
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November 23, 2005 at 3:37 pm #760349
dc3
Participant“at Civic Offices, Wood Quay”
“Introductory words by …., Dublin City Manager”Well who would have believed it?
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November 23, 2005 at 5:36 pm #760350
anto
ParticipantI hear Jackie Healy Rae is invited too!
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November 25, 2005 at 8:13 pm #760351
hutton
ParticipantAh twas such a shame – no sign of Jackie Healy Rae, though there is a nice pic of him & his offspring in the book… 😀
@ 400 pages long I suspect that Chaos will keep some contributers off the discussion boards here for a little bit… Frank seems to be back on track – the efforts by him & James Nix have produced a publication that would appear on first inspection to rank alonside Destruction of Dublin ( which in my own opinion was far finer than “Construction”) .
A polemic work – well done to Fmc & JN!
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November 25, 2005 at 8:47 pm #760352
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterWho are the publishers?
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November 26, 2005 at 9:46 pm #760353
Devin
ParticipantGandon Books.
Hutton, I wouldn’t say myself that Destruction was ‘better’ than Construction, or vice versa – I don’t think there’s any comparison in so far as they were both products of a very different time.
The new book seems to be powerfully conveying the lunacy of the policies the goverment has been following in almost every aspect of planning, development and the environment. It pretty much shows what will happen if there is no change and we keep doing the things we’ve been doing (i.e. there has to be change).
James Nix speaking at the launch, with Frank and the Dublin City Manager (left) in the background:
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November 26, 2005 at 11:12 pm #760354
anto
Participantdo they offer an alternative vision IN THE BOOK?
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November 27, 2005 at 10:26 pm #760355
Devin
ParticipantYes – the improvement of urban areas – the last chapter deals with it.
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December 21, 2005 at 12:13 am #760356
GrahamH
ParticipantFrank and James were promoting the book with Pat on the radio this morning – as predictable as clockwork 🙂
19 minutes long, it can be heard here if you scroll to 24.06:http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/Tue/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil
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January 20, 2008 at 8:36 am #760357
missarchi
ParticipantIm half way threw this but construction of dublin is more interesting
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January 20, 2008 at 9:33 pm #760358
jackscout
Participant@missarchi wrote:
Im half way threw this but construction of dublin is more interesting
Although is does demonstrate how little “real” progress had been made in the intervening years….
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