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      Paul Clerkin

      Whatever happened to this City Council plan?

    • #806054

      @Paul Clerkin wrote:

      Whatever happened to this City Council plan?

      I suspect that DCC got a lot more than they bargained for when they asked McCullough Mulvin for an auld report on the walls like and maybe a couple of sketches!

      Did you notice how the area around Christchurch didn’t feature once in the discussion on Dublin ‘spaces’, good, bad or indifferent, in that recent IT article on the subject with contributions from Harrington, Grehan and other urban luminaries?

      You know the next question!

      In what other European city would the area around the medieval cathedral not feature prominantly in any evaluation of the city’s great urban spaces?

    • #806055

      Quietly shelved I imagine…. like the Dublin Legibility Study, Soho, the Markets Framework Plan, Heuston and the Phoenix Park plans (remember the Dick Gleeson interview about 2 years ago), finishing Smithfield (apparently on the cards but shelved due to cutbacks earlier this year), the Temple Bar Plan (Howley Harrington), the Parnell Square Plan (Metro North holding that up…yeah right)

      Any more worthy plans out there….

    • #806056

      Its so frustrating that a city with so much obvoius potential is left to rot… particulary shameful given we had a chance to do something about it the boom and wasted 15 years.

      The fundamental problem is that no one in authority has any pride in this city as either their home or the capital of this country!

      Compare Dublin even Edinburgh ..its a disgrace !

    • #806057

      you need to add a bloody finish section to site

    • #806058

      Absolutely agree Stephen and aj. It is terrifying how little real improvement was made in all that time and how overrun with traffic Dublin still is, and with important areas like College Green still a holy show, as we head into deep recession with no money likely to be available for any of that for a long time.

      And if they do get the money for that damn metro, the time & level of disruption is mind boggling. It will be our grandchildren who are enjoying the centre of Dublin as a decent public area. As any regular visitor to Amsterdam knows, the whole area to the front of Centraal Station – the focal point of the city – has been upside down for the best part of 10 years while one underground line is being put in.

      Stephen, to add to the list:

      – S2S cycle / walkway around the coast (so important to the physical and mental health of the citizens)
      – The (very logical) pedestrian link into Dublin Castle on George’s Street on axis with Exchequer Street (how f**king difficult is it to do that??!)
      – The city centre Luas link {catalyst for College Green improvement)
      -The City Quays Framework Plan (remaining space formerly used by Port Tunnel trucks has just filled up with traffic – quays are as hostile as ever)
      – The OPW public space plan for the front of Kilmainham Jail / RHK west entrance

      We don’t know how to suppress traffic in this country. We just let it go because it might damage the economy or something if we restrict it. A formerly quiet and empty street within the Cathedral Quarter plan area, Chancery Lane, was successfully developed with new buildings, but has since just become a speedy all-day rat run for cars & taxis avoiding the lights at the Golden Lane / Bride Street junction … no life on it.

      Taxi deregulation has meant that there are trillions of taxis in the city streets at night. The excess of them has not been addressed by anybody. Taxis are somehow seen as public transport but they have all the same negative civic impacts as the private car.

      Could rant on but a Times editorial of 18/2/06 summed it up as: “All Dublin has done in the past five [ten] years has been to build two new pedestrian bridges, install the Liffey Boardwalk and widen the footpaths in O’Connell Street.”

      Edit: You can’t blame the City Council for any of this. They produced the plans. The plans were lying there. I blame the mainstream political parties, the type of character they attract. Lack of idea of capital city as expression of the values of a nation. Favouring road building programme & dispersed housing over city improvement (although worldwide car industry is in meltdown). Favouring a motorway to Navan over reopening of exising rail line. Lack of proper City Mayor – a visionary, an urbanist, a Delanoe / Livingstone figure and not the annual gimp Dublin gets whose overarching ambition during his or her term is to secure funding for a new community hall in Bluebell (no disrespect to communities in Bluebell).

    • #806059

      I suppose lack of funds is the reason now!

    • #806060

      @StephenC wrote:

      Quietly shelved I imagine……

      Possibly not!

      Stumbled across a little booklet in the Corpo today entitled: Ship Street/Werburgh Street Framework Plan, (or at least executive summary of) and it appears to be a development of the McCullough Mulvin ‘Dublin City walls Conservation Plan’ of 2004, and appears also to be by McCullough Mulvin. I can’t find it on the DCC web site, so we’ll have to make do with some rough scans for the moment.

      Fascinating stuff!

      The design philosophy is clear cut and takes no prisoners, so maybe it’s not surprising that the projected images, which follow the philosophy, are pretty abrasive.

      proposed seven-storey tower on Castle St./Werburgh St. junction.

      I’ll try to get a chance to post up more stuff later.

    • #806061

      I remember seeing a model floating around DCC however the biggest worry is the very poor inter connector connection and the upgrading of christchurch platz

    • #806062

      @missarchi wrote:

      . . . . and the upgrading of christchurch platz

      There’s not much evidence of a Christchurch Plaza!

      First reaction:

      I’d go with the Tholsel site/’Peace Garden’ proposal, only less blocky and toned down a bit.

      The fill-out of the Jury’s recess I can take or leave.

      The Castle Street corner is the right kind of intervention, but’s it’s too high, too aggressive and it sticks out past the building line too far.

      The notional single storey visitor facility leaning up against the inside of the Christchurch railings would be a backward step, unless it it were to develop into a replacement for the railings, in which case I’m all for it.

      The proposed ‘Dublin Museum’ building, between the cathedral and the Civic Offices, I like, but it can’t extend past the original building line on Winetavern Street and I would also stop it at the steps to the Civic Offices on the east side. It can extend northwards to reinstate a frontage to the whole of Winetavern Street and take up the whole site of the grassy hill as far as I’m concerned.

      While we’re splashing money around, can we not reconstruct the upper half of the Werburgh Church facade?

      I’ve a feeling we’ve been over some of this ground before!

    • #806063

      oops, sorry, it might have been helpful to post the second page of the Christchurch proposal

      The only problem I have with this sort of architectural communication is that it tends to convey the message that ”avoidance of banal commentary”, in the architectural intervention, is more important than sensitivity to the context.

      It can be difficult to engage with proposals that set out specifically to re-make damaged urban spaces, but then attempt to show how this is to be done using seemingly random variations of a block unit.

      McCullough Mulvin have talked elsewhere on the value of ‘ordinary buildings’ in repairing the streetscape, as with their Lincoln Place in-fill, but I can’t say I see much sign of that philosophy in evidence here.

      For a start, I would have thought that the only building at Christchurch Place that needed to aggressively assert itself was Christchurch!

    • #806064

      What’s all this about building over the Corpo’s lovely greenery?? Parks, lawns & flower beds are the only answer for mutilated urbanism!! And Dublin’s great in ’88!

      Kunstler is always going on about this. See around 11.20 of this talk for a laugh –

      Watch out for the bizzarre BMW ad at the end of the talk.

    • #806065

      @Devin wrote:

      . . . lawns & flower beds are the only answer for mutilated urbanism!!

      Kunstler is always going on about this.

      That’s a fantastic clip, Devin 🙂

      He might be talking about the American suburban nightmare, but does he hit a few targets over here, or what?

      ”. . . we don’t have the thousand year old cathedral plazas of Europe . . ”
      Funny that! neither do we.

      ”The remedy for mutilate urbanism isn’t nature, it’s defining spaces with better buildings”.

      Now all we have to do is get Kunstler over here and get him stuck in a lift with the DCC heads for half an hour.

    • #806066

      Yeah his podcasts are good too – All amazingly relevant to Ireland.

      I suppose the thinking and knowledge in there has changed now, under Dick. It’s the lack of actual action on the myriad plans for the city, the slowness in reversing some of the damage done and restoring the urbanism “thrown in the garbage” by the Feely and earlier administrations, which is the most difficult thing to take..

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