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    • #709182
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      http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1764438&issue_id=15180

      ”ANOTHER high rise building planned for Dun Laoghaire harbour has been given the thumbs down.

      The ten-storey complex for Carlisle Pier has been proposed by Dun Laoghaire Harbour Company as part of a €300m project.

      But a new study commissioned by Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Co Council has recommended that no tall buildings be built along the south Dublin coastline.

      This will come as good news to the citizens of the seaside town who recently forced the local council to ditch plans to build high-rise apartments on the site of the derelict swimming baths. ”

    • #787197
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      @archipig wrote:

      http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1764438&issue_id=15180

      ”ANOTHER high rise building planned for Dun Laoghaire harbour has been given the thumbs down.

      The ten-storey complex for Carlisle Pier has been proposed by Dun Laoghaire Harbour Company as part of a €300m project.

      But a new study commissioned by Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Co Council has recommended that no tall buildings be built along the south Dublin coastline.

      This will come as good news to the citizens of the seaside town who recently forced the local council to ditch plans to build high-rise apartments on the site of the derelict swimming baths. ”

      Good news 🙂

    • #787198
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      i take it this is nothing to do with the heneghan peng scheme ? & what is the story with that anyway ?

    • #787199
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      I think it is the HP scheme. A story in the weekend Indo mentioned that the scheme now in doubt includes the National Marine Life Centre- that’s the HP one, I think.

      The same story mentioned that the Harbour Company still intends to submit the application, so it could fall to the Board to decide…

      DLRCoCo is accepting submissions on the Tall Buildings study until Feb 8th.

    • #787200
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      This was the Heneghan Peng winning competition entry.

      I am disapointed by this for three reasons:

      1. The winning entry was an excellent design and unlike two of its rivals was not a cut and paste
      2. It proved the quality of domestic talent can live with International celebrity practices
      3. This will put off International entries to future competitions in Ireland

      It would have proved that the scheme would have worked in Dun Laoghaire as the site was set approximately 3-4 stories below the level of the coast road and this level is again a full 2-3 stories below that of the Victorian Terraces that needed to be considered in the baths scheme. With the Stena HSS you have a virtual 6-7 story building in situ intermitantly all day everyday anyway.

      A pity and a missed opportunity to put in it formidable flagship marine project

    • #787201
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      @PVC King wrote:

      A pity and a missed opportunity to put in it formidable flagship marine project

      PVCK,
      The reasons for your disappointment may be valid, but they do not correctly describe the site, nor do they include why most locals do not want it.
      – the level of the Pier is about one storey below the seafront road, not the 2-3 you describe.
      – the proposed building is totally at variance with the local built environment
      – it would overshadow, dominate and block views of several protected structures
      – a substantial part of the development is to be private accomodation.
      I’ve no problem with property speculation, but do have one where it is based on a public amenity and to the detriment of the general public.. I would love to see the Pier developed at its existing height into a public area incorporating a maritime museum and as part of a greater marina development on the East side of the harbour.
      KB2

    • #787202
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      every time a story emanates from Marine Road, from the monkstown ring road debacle, to the Bord hauling them over the coals re Sandyford, to the clamping fiasco, to the proposal to reintroduce traffic on George’s st, and now this, all points to a complete shambles of a Local Authority. Unimaginative Councillors kowtow to every wish of their overprivileged, overinfluential electorate with too much time on it’s retired hands, while an underfunded understaffed executive dare not even attempt to do the right thing, lest it offend the Killiney and the Blackrock massifs…

      There is no planning in Dun Laoghaire. There is no vision for the county, a county which counts an international ferry terminal, Dundrum Town Centre, Killiney Bay, the Dublin Mountains, and some of the most desirable areas in the country as it’s attractions. And it’s been let stagnate by vested interests, official inertia, adminstrative cowardice, and nigh on corrupt management in recent years.

      We’ve had threads upon threads rightly criticising Dublin City Council over shopfronts and roadworks etc. But to truly witness useless local governance, take a trip out the N11 cycle track, or the Rock Road, read a few planning stories, and finally gaze in awe at Dun Laoghaire Shopping Centre or Stillorgan Village…

      I reckon local resident Paul Hewson should turn his attention to local democracy rather than world affairs, because every 3 seconds a sh1te decision is made in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Hall… click.. click.. click..

    • #787203
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      I’m not sure that it is a mere one story standing when viewed standing outside the train station looking down at the replacement pier; it certainly seems like a lot more; with whatever redevelopment option is completed there will of course be a large private component unless the rate payers are expected to pay for one giant marine folly to get tired of; how else would the numbers stack up to regenerate this tract of land in a way that doesn’t resemble the fiscal backdrop to the London Olympics?

      There would be impacts on the sight lines of protected structures that is conceded but the only angles that would be compromised would be from the harbour wall where uninterupted views would be seen from other angles. So possibly this would not be a price that some residents were not prepared to play.

      My main gripe is that a competition was held an excellent design was selected if the images are to be believed; from what you say the winning entry despite complying with the brief is completely unacceptable.

      Whatever views any of us hold; 3 and half years after the competition Carlisle pier is still a sorry mess and presents nothing other than a blot on the landscape and there is no plan whatsoever to rectify this.

    • #787204
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      @alonso wrote:

      ……..all points to a complete shambles of a Local Authority. ……underfunded understaffed executive dare not even attempt to do the right thing.

      Alonso sums it up quite well. However, I do not agree with his <> Much of what the staff – particularly road engineers – has done is just as shambolic and they must have trained in East Germany before the Wall came down. As for the planning officials, just look at Dalkey’s “Art Gallery” – a world first, the only public gallery closed to the public.

      Just because a building has a good design does not mean it will “fit in” or be appropriate to its environment. PVCK’s points on the Carlisle Pier competition are valid BUT it was held before the locals were even considered let alone consulted on what was wanted or what would work. The vast majority of the denizens of DL are neither rich nor famous and most value what is in their area; retired or otherwise thankfully they can be vocal about it.. It also seems bizarre that DLRCC sought to develop the CP project when one of the seafront yacht clubs continues to have planning problems for a small extension.
      Incidentally, Mr. Hewson may be a resident but he has/had his own problems with planning, as did Mr. Edge with a proposed extension on his house (refused, so he just moved house.)
      I’ll have to get Jackie Healy-Rae to come up with me one day to give DLRCoCos a lecture on the planning process and what locals want 😉
      KB2

    • #787205
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      what a waste.

      I’ll bet that whatever is eventually built wont be a patch on this.
      This wasn’t designed to fit in KB2, nor should it given its site (imo), it had potential to be a real landmark without clinging to the past, as i suspect its likely two storey replacement will.

      Roll on years of dereliction & procrastination, what our councils do best, afraid of their shite to lead or show some vision 😡

    • #787206
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      Don’t get me wrong, PF, I’m not looking for something that will cling to the past. I think high-rise moderns are fantastic and marrying old with new can be done (by some) very well. I would love to see buildings on the outskirts of Tralee or Killarney, Sandyford or Cherrywood that look like la Defense or Futuroscope. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Futuroscope
      Why is it that many architects concentrate on the building and its intrinsic merit and ignore the location? The proposed building would block a great view of the setting sun and city skyline from most of the seafrnt when driving from Sandycove. The statement that the block proposed for the C. Pier would make if built is typical of Celtic Tiger Ireland – in-your-face, brash, gaudy and without consideration to its environment or neighbours. Put something modern and of appropriate scale there!
      KB.

    • #787207
      Anonymous
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      KB2 there is a proposal before DLRCC called Sandyford Gateway at the moment from Landmark Developments. It will fulfil your aspirations for a La Defense nicely. It even has the glass office block archway. I can’t find any images of it online, but I saw the original application, which was withdrawn. Suffice to say, it’s fcking monstrous. And if you think the Pier is brash and gaudy, which I agree with you on, wait til you see this!!!! it makes Beacon South look like a one-off house

      file ref D06A/1939

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